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Question of the Day: Did the Jersey Leave the Torso?


I hate to say it, but I missed the game. All but the last 1:30 against the Pens. I was trick-or-treating with the kids, as all good fathers had to do, right?

When I heard the news that Zids and Sid the Kid dropped the mitts, I had to see it. After watching the replays, I am left with a question. Why was Marek Zidlicky not assessed a game misconduct penalty?

Follow after the jump for the explanation.

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OK, first, let's show the replay. I think this is the Pens feed, so never mind that.

 

 

Now, does anyone else see that Zidlicky's jersey come off, or is it just me? Because if it did, that rule 47.13 comes into play.

47.13 Jerseys - A player or goalkeeper who deliberately removes his jerseyprior to participating in an altercation or who is clearly wearing a jersey that has been modified and does not conform to Rule 9 – Uniforms, shall be assessed a minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct and a game misconduct. This is in addition to other penalties to be assessed to the participants of an altercation. If the altercation never materializes, the player or goalkeeper would receive a minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct and a ten-minute misconduct for deliberately removing his jersey.

A player or goalkeeper who engages in a fight and whose jersey is removed (completely off his torso), other than through the actions of his opponent in the altercation or through the actions of the Linesman, shall be assessed a game misconduct penalty.

A player or goalkeeper who engages in a fight and whose jersey is not properly "tied-down" (jersey properly fastened to pants), and who loses his jersey (completely off his torso) in that altercation, shall receive a game misconduct penalty. If the player or goalkeeper loses his jersey despite the tie down remaining in tact and attached to the pants, the game misconduct is not applicable, however this must be reported to the League office so that the jersey and the tie down can be examined.

A player or goalkeeper who is involved in an altercation, when the opponent has been identified as an instigator, shall not be assessed a game misconduct penalty if his jersey should be removed by an opponent or an official in the discharge of his duties, regardless as to whether or not he was properly "tied-down" (jersey properly fastened to pants).

Here is the part I am cuing in on. "A player or goalkeeper who engages in a fight and whose jersey is not properly "tied-down" (jersey properly fastened to pants), and who loses his jersey (completely off his torso) in that altercation, shall receive a game misconduct penalty."

Does the linesman get in there and time and help Zids hold his jersey down? Was he the benefactor of some well timed help from the officials? How CSI do we need to get on this? Is the jersey off his body and wrapped around his head or not?

Neither player received an instigator penalty, so the negation rule does not apply, and thus is not why he did not get the gamer.

So Wilderness readers, did he deserve a game misconduct, or not?

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Interesting

But maybe having his ass handed to him so quickly, at least partly because of his jersey coming, off was enough?

by Dhampir on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

No Reason

I agree completly that it should have been a misconduct. Good job pulling up the rule and its clearly evident that he never had the “fight strap” down. I dont see any reason it shouldnt be called. And also Im not a Pitt fan at all but Ill respect a player of Crosby’s status for dropping the gloves anyday

by SMF360 on Nov 2, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

I noticed this right away, and agree, it should have been a misconduct

As I was watching on DVR from being out earlier in the night myself, I backed it up just to make sure. Sid got his sweater up pretty fast. It surely didn’t look like the breezer strap was ever fastened in my estimation.

The Wild got some good fortune there, and when they got away with an obvious slash on Sid later in the game. Just blew his mind right out of the game. I especially loved it when in the course of his whining, the linesman dropped the puck in a totally legit and legal move :)

Through the course of 82, teams are going to have those nights—for the Pens, [almost] nothing goes right and for the Wild, a little good fortune and extreme hard work leads to a ‘W.’

Let's Go Wild!

by redheadzeb on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

I personally don't see a penalty

yea the jersey goes up fast, but if you look at the picture in the post, you can clearly see that Sid has his arm wrapped up pretty good in Z’s jersey and is pulling it up and off (or using it for leverage).

“other than through the actions of his opponent in the altercation”

seems to apply here

Also there is the “completely off his torso” it was almost all the way off, but there was some wrapped around his head, (which sid used to help him pummel Z). granted, I may be a bit biased, but still, Z made no attempt to remove his own jersy, it came off b ecause Sid wrapped his arm around it and pulled.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

OK... but...

The “other than through the actions of his opponent in the altercation” has to do with players removing their own jerseys, as related to the passage above it. The part of the rule I was looking at is a separate part, and additional part to the rule, clarifying what to do in case it comes off when an opponent does it.

Also… technically the head is not part of the torso.

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by BReynolds on Nov 2, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was a nice purse fight between to players not know for fighting, I think the Ref rescued their money maker before he could be hit back. If I was an NHL players on the oppostion team I would love to have to opportuntiy to hand it to Cindy Crosby. Zidlicky failed in that instance.

by Eric B on Nov 4, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

No.

The jersey stayed on the torso. It was never completely off his torso. Any Idiot can see that.

by Danny Doom on Nov 4, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

Nice first post

Stay classy.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

The fight strap was never attached

Zidlicky got away with one.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

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