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Anyone Else a Little Bored?


Here's the deal. When the Wild aren't playing, and there is no vast conspiracy running through its lifespan in the blogs and chat rooms around the interwebz, I get bored. When I get bored, I crawl out of my safety zone and venture out into the world of blogs I don't normally read.

That's when I get myself in trouble.

Make the jump if you want to have some fun today.

Star-divide

Let me preface this post with this. Kukla's Korner is a great place to go for access to information for all 30 teams. It is a set up much like SBN was, with a blog for nearly every team in the league. The difference between the two (KK and SBN) is that SBN seems to have cherry picked some of the best blogs from across the web and put them all in one place. What this leads to is a powerhouse network of blogs, all with mostly professional posts with the occasional light hearted homer-esque post from time to time.

Kukla's Korner has its fair share of truly professional blogs, including everything from Paul Kukla himself. Then, there is the Red Wings blog, From Abel to Yzerman

I don't often read Red Wings blogs because they tend to, as Puck Daddy's Greg Wyshynski would say, be part of the tinfoil hat wearing crowd. Despite the fact that the Wings are a perennial powerhouse team, constantly in contention for the Cup and every other award there is, the fans and bloggers still seem to think the entire NHL fanbase and the NHL itself is out to get them somehow.

The main poster at From Abel to Yzerman, IwoCPO, is truly the most homerific of all homerific bloggers I have ever read. Is there anything wrong with that? Nah, as long as the reader understands that and takes every word written there with that information in hand.

I stopped reading A2Y awhile back. I just could not handle the conspiracies, the ignorance of where and who the Red Wings are in relation to the rest of the league, and the constant whining about how the Wings got jobbed yet again. Your team got jobbed by a ref? Welcome to the NHL. There's jackets and everything.

Anyway. Today I was told by a friend to go read the two latest posts over at A2Y. I swallowed the inevitable vomit creeping into my mouth and headed over to see what could possibly have led for this request. Once I read them, I decided I needed to voice a couple concerns with the posts, so here we go.

From the first post, titled Instead Of Whining? Let's Make Some Sort Of Sick Contest Out Of It. First off, the title? Just, wow. What is the question mark for? I am not a grammatical master, hell there are probably enough spelling and grammar errors in this post to give any responder plenty of ammo against me. However, not every word in a title is capitalized. Only the important ones.

Back to the post.

If we were Pens fans, we’d be piling up the alibis, pointing to different injuries as to reasons why our guys can’t possibly be expected to win with any frequency.

But, thank Jebus, Santa and the patron saint of serial killers, we’re not fans of a one-trick team whose "captain" requests permission from his owner to wear powdered blue around the house. 

Fair enough, I guess. A Red Wings blogger criticizing Penguins fans. Creative. But to call them a "one trick team" is something I don't understand, and is not specified in the post. Is IwoCPO suggesting they have just one player who is good enough to win a game? Because that is not the case. Is it in reference to how many Cups they have won? Nope, can't be that either. So... what is it? Please explain.

I also love that captain is in quotes, as if to suggest that Crosby is not a very good captain. Well done with the play on punctuation, there. Again, very creative. Despite the fact that if the Wings could get Crosby, IwoCPO would give his (her?) right arm to make it happen.

Moving on to the second post, titled Memo To Everyone Else: You Don't Want This Team In Your Lives.

My cherry picked quote from this post is:

Will they win the Cup each season? No.  Injuries, officials and a league run by a commissioner with his tongue stuck to a stop sign are just too formidable of a combination to overcome every year. 

But, hold on now. In this post you say that injuries are going to hold your team back from winning a Cup every year, but in the post right after it (the one referenced above), you claim that you will not whine about injuries nor use them as excuses, sorry, alibis.

I do enjoy the hedging of the bet in this post, though. That if the Wings don't win the Cup every year, it must be due to some confluence of events that prevented it from happening. It must either be that too many players were hurt (but they would not suggest that), the officials (get your tinfoil hats ready), or the Commissioner. It could not possibly be that another team was, you know, better than the Wings that year.

Noooo....

So, here we are. Nearing the end of my post. I am almost certain that anyone who made it this far is wondering what this has to do with the Minnesota Wild. To that I answer, absolutely nothing. Except for this. "Writers" like IwoCPO (see what I did there, with the quotes?) are the example NHL teams point to when they refuse to credential bloggers. Bloggers such as him (her?) serve as the antithesis of what most bloggers are, which is fans who have some semblance of objectivity.

It is also "writers" like these that lead to hatred of the Red Wings and their fan base. Whether it's fair or not to lump all Detroit fans in with IwoCPO, he (she?) is one of the more vocal folks, and attitudes or viewpoints like his aren't exactly conducive to planting seeds of goodwill. Not that he (she?) and every other Red Wings fan really care what other fan bases think of them, but they sure seem to complain a lot about it. Don't they?

Thank you IwoCPO, and From Abel to Yzerman for ensuring that NHL teams always have plenty of ammunition to use when denying credentials to bloggers who actually have some professionalism. We appreciate it.

-Buddha

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You hit the nail right on the head

I lived in Toledo, Ohio for 10 years, and met a lot of Wings fans. I would say 90 percent of them share the same mentality of, if the Wings lose, its not because the team wasn’t good enough, or had an off night. Its the missed calls, unfair penalties, even blaming the ice quality, and overlooking the poor play of their players. They are some of the most uneducated hockey fans i have ever met.

by Goken17 on Dec 15, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

90%?

90% seems a bit low. ESPECIALLY in Toledo. Seriously, is Toledo, OH the sample size you are using to make your blanket statement about Wings fans & how uneducated they are? BTW, most non Wings fans think that Wings fans pin a loss on everything but the team 100% of the time so get with the program. And who really gives a flying F? I certainly don’t care about what Wild fans think about their team when they lose.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No one on the side of A2Y seems to care. So why, dear lord, are they so up in arms?

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you being intentionally obtuse or are you just this bad at reading comprehension?

I certainly don’t care about what Wild fans think about their team when they lose.

I don’t recall a single comment that didn’t come from you that says that nobody at A2Y cares when bloviated dickheads blame them and one of their favorite writers for the woes of the ordinary professional hockey blogger.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But you don’t care.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I, along with mserven, up there don’t care what Wild fans think when their team loses, which is what was said.

I never said I don’t care when bloviated dickheads blame Red Wings fans and bloggers for the woes of the ordinary professional hockey blogger.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

100% Agree

I had to sign up just to say I agree with you 100% on this one. Every post over there is such incessant whining and conspiracy theorizing. They were blessed enough to have one of the greatest runs in NHL history from the mid 90’s through last year, and at the first sign of trouble, it’s woe is me. A lot of teams’ fans would have loved a single Cup run, but these guys saw four of them and have taken it for granted.

by Jarick on Dec 15, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

“Writers” like IwoCPO (see what I did there, with the quotes?) are the example NHL teams point to when they refuse to credential bloggers. Bloggers such as him (her?) serve as the antithesis of what most bloggers are, which is fans who have some semblance of objectivity.

Amazing post BR. Such a great point and it gives me at least some idea of what the Comm. guys on each team have to deal with, no matter how frustrating the situation is for the rest of us.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2009 3:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I appreciate that. I have been credentialed by the Wild, but not through HW. Talking to the PR guys, they have some pretty good reason for not credentialing bloggers. To make it easier on themselves they just do a blanket “no bloggers” policy, which is annoying, but understandable.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 15, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Understandable BR, but killing me. At least the NHL recognized SBN and hooked up the draft deal.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Dec 17, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the Air Thin on your High Horse?

Bloggers like the Chief (IwoCPO), who is indeed a male, over at A2Y is a convenient excuse for a difficulty that bloggers have getting credentials, but it’s simply not the case. The Chief has never had the illusion of objectivity and that’s what his readers (me included) like. You seem to run a completely different type of blog here and that’s completely fine, but your saying that blogs like A2Y somehow hurt your credibility is like the Washington Post complaining that the Onion hurts their credibility. It’s completely different. If you have a problem getting credentials based on that, then it’s your stupid team’s fault for being unable to tell the difference between different forms of hockey writing, not writers like the Chief’s fault for coming out with a product that differs from yours. As far as I know, the Chief has never requested credentials, nor would he change his writing if somebody were to offer that to him.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 15, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Awesome
then it’s your stupid team’s fault

You stay classy there, bud.

by KiPA on Dec 16, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's That Awesome Word Again

Ah, “class”, the last bastion of those pure of heart sports fans who never say anything bad about anybody else, those who are the pinnacle of objectivity, those who unquestionably the best, smartest, tallest, and most handsome of all sports fans on the internet.

The word “classy” has no place in a sports discussion. My point was valid. It’s laziness from a hockey club that causes them to adopt a blanket “no blogs” policy, it’s not because all sports blogs out there should clean up their acts, fly right, and be objective. The article you’re supporting is elitist and unnecessary. Bloggers like the Chief at A2Y haven’t hijacked the blogging world and taken it off course; bloggers who rail against dissenting opinions and forms of writing have completely missed the point. It’s the medium for the masses, you have no pedestal on which to stand if you’re using the same medium to chide them.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

"Writers" like IwoCPO (see what I did there, with the quotes?) are the example NHL teams point to when they refuse to credential bloggers

Go get a journalism degree?

by TDTyler on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Got one. Thanks though.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then use it.

Stop writing trite posts like these and act like you’re a journalist, not some fledgling new media writer that (for some reason) has decided to make a personal vendetta with a writer targetting a market that is essentially another planet. If you’re honestly that riled up over this guy, you need to sit back and review your priorities for blogging the Wild in the first place: are you here to follow the team and make it on your own, or try to chop down others you perceive to be lesser than yourself in order to look better by comparison?

Sorry, but you just aren’t registering a chord with most folks outside your existing readership.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but you just aren’t registering a chord with most folks outside your existing readership.

Seems to have set all of you good folks off, though didn’t it?

And no, I will not stop writing “trite posts like these.” I rather enjoy them. Thanks for the advice, though.

decided to make a personal vendetta with a writer targetting a market that is essentially another planet.

Shocked, shocked I say that you mention a personal vendetta. Maybe I was sent by the NHL.

sit back and review your priorities for blogging the Wild in the first place: are you here to follow the team and make it on your own, or try to chop down others you perceive to be lesser than yourself in order to look better by comparison?

Can’t I do both?

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not if you're a serious journalist.

You sure as hell don’t act like one and your reactionist post and response comments indicate that you’re just another blogger that gets mired in personal controversies for whatever little reason you come up with in your head. I don’t know why you suddenly decided to “get bored” with an active hockey season and post this. Only you know this. No one can tell if you’re being truthful if you ever lay out your reasoning beyond "

And god, lay off the “all Wings fans are convinced the NHL is out to get them” angle. It’s tired. You just wrote 1100 words criticizing a single blogger while loosely relating it to the NHL’s conduct toward bloggers in general. That’s a personal vendetta, not a piece of journalism.

“I stopped reading A2Y awhile back.”

You seem to have fixed your own problem, but then admit to reading it after a friend told you so. Wonder if you had a gun to your head?

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Bloggers"

If you want to consider yourself a extra special V.I.P. writer you should probably go to college and get a degree in journalism, then spend years writing about things no one cares about for a paper no one reads. Maybe, if you are lucky, you can get promoted to the sports department and write spoon fed quotes and articles from your favorite teams P.R. cronies.

OR

You could sit in your “office”, at your house, hiding from your miserable family tapping away on the Internet about how swell it would be if the Minnesota Wild actually played for the Stanley Cup. But alas, you’re only a Blogger, not an actual Writer. Bloggers are fans who bother to take the time to write on the internet about something they are passionate about, they are not “news sources” hence the press access. Allow me to quote the welcome page of SB NATION:
 “SB Nation is of, by and for the fans. As with the teams they cover, our blogs are nothing without fan participation and encouragement. We hope that you’ll dive in with the tools we’ve provided and make these communities your own.”

Please reconsider attempts to call out a someone who does the exact same thing you do. Maybe the Red Wings are successful in part, due to the fans FANaticism and dedication unlike the Wilds’ ownership commitment to not spending money on talented players and trapping and slowing the game down to an uneventful crawl.

by christpuncher on Dec 16, 2009 1:01 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

unlike the Wilds’ ownership commitment to not spending money on talented players and trapping and slowing the game down to an uneventful crawl.

Do you know anything about any other team than the Wings? No? I thought not.

As for the rest of your argument… bah. Not worth it.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great response!

Mature and well thought out. If you aren’t going to respond to criticism of your writing, I don’t know what you’re doing in these comments anyway.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright here.

The Wild have new ownership and are within a couple million of the cap. The system has changed to an up tempo, forechecking system.

Criticize my writing, fine. The point is that the comment was baseless, so not worth defending against.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How is it baseless?

You just attacked another blog’s base with zero reason. You’re going to get responses like that. What, you expected to be held safe in your little haven for some reason? You’re going to have to respond if you want to be taken at all serious.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I did respond. In another post. You read it, right?

I don’t need you to take me seriously, since there is absolutely nothing I can say or do that will change your mind. The rest of his argument is debunked throughout the comment section.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is, actually.

Have some dialogue with the Wild PR about this other than “oh they don’t like places like A2Y, so I get shut out”. Post about said dialogue. Fucking write with some journalistic integrity instead of spending your afternoon flaming back in some comments. You aren’t doing yourself any favors here with trying to get press credentials.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, one last time. I have credentials. I am not being shut out. I have had the conversation with the entire PR staff. No, no one has ever mentioned A2Y by name. They point to blogs LIKE IT and say, “that’s why.”

As for flaming all afternoon, I am defending my work. If I didn’t then you would call me weak for not doing so.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseless

You are right, i am a Wings fan. Martin Havlat was an excellent free agent signing, he’ll be just as good as Marian Gaborik at being on the IR. Quality money well spent.

by christpuncher on Dec 16, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

My Wednesday just got so much better.

by a2y on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anytime.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Smell that?

It’s this post going over like a fart in church.

I hope you know what you’re in for here Buddha.

by HockeyJoe on Dec 16, 2009 4:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Joe. ;-)

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooops!!

New to this blog, but thought the author might enjoy watching the first few minutes of this video from Hockey Night in Canada. Hope all my grammer is correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrkx-IQsihk

Would you like a little wine with that crow?

by Redwings tinfoil hat on Dec 16, 2009 5:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So… because one team out of 30 will let bloggers in I should be sorry? Nah.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More than one....

I don’t have the exact numbers, but it’s definitely not just the Caps… I know the Pens do, as well as the Islanders also….. And there’s more than that, just don’t know them off the top of my head…..

by The Confluence on Dec 16, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh please.

Did you even research?

Does the NHL as a whole move slow in regards to new media? Yes. Does the NHL as a whole move slow in regards to Issue X? Yes. There is nothing new going on here. Guys like Chief aren’t actively keeping out bloggers from the locker room or wherever you’d like access.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? So when I talk to the Wild PR guys about blogs and they point to blogs like A2Y (notice I said LIKE A2Y, not A2Y specifically) for their reasons, I am supposed to say, “Well, I don’t know Mr. Stanzel, it seems John Kmiecik thinks my research is wrong. You should credential bloggers now.”

No, he is not actively keeping bloggers out. It is the passive stupidity that does the job.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You need to respond.

Not post some piece on a blog about how bloggers aren’t getting a fair shake.

Your beef needs to be with the Wild PR department and their apparent lack in depth of field. If they really can’t discern between a place like say, Puck Daddy, and A2Y — the problems are more than A2Y’s writer. The Wild PR really have zero handle on new media if that’s the actual line they gave you.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And… I never said that A2Y was the reason they don’t, but an example of why they don’t.

It is not only the Wild PR guys. And that was the point, but you don’t seem to want to see that. I have read that Washington allows bloggers. Never seen another story about it. From 29 other teams. So, the reasons are from the NHL, not just the Wild.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your original post does not articulate the point that you believe the majority of fault lies with the NHL clubs and not the blogs themselves, it seems to do the opposite of that.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said it is the fault of NHL clubs. I said it is a reality. The NHL teams have a basis to deny creds based on blogs like A2Y. That is my argument.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you were unaware that making that claim would have the obvious result that readers would infer that you meant it in a way so as to blame blogs like A2Y for the problem, then you really are not fit to be writing professionally.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And you get to decide that? OK, good.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just an opinion. Of course, it’s an opinion upon which I’m very confident editors and scholars would agree.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually the profession of journalism decides that. Being clear and stuff.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly not what I ascertained from your post.

As I said in another comment, you just droned on for 1100 words about how A2Y is causing bloggers to be shut out for whatever reason.

Seems to me that from your little corner of the blogosphere, you’re able to cause change at the Wild PR before you’re able to cause change within the entire league. Start with the area you could have influence over, not the area you think you should have influence over.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

I understand why you might be just a wee bit bored, since your team is mired in 37th place.

But your (weak) point…(see what I did with the parentheses?} more or less concludes that all hockey blogs must be deadly serious, or else they reflect poorly on those of you that attempt to be.

So, do all restaurants need to be “serious”? Or is there a place for both Chucky Cheese, and the french bistro down the street?

 Is there a place in the world for both a symphonic orchestra, and a gangsta rap outfit?

I could go on, but you get the picture. This was a flimsy premise for a (serious) blog post.

by dougiefromA2Y on Dec 16, 2009 5:25 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Bravo

What is the purpose of attacking another blogger for their writing style?

You go after him for grammar while admitting grammatical faults, then go after him for grammar again. Meanwhile you keep referring to his blog as “From Abel to Yzerman” when there is no “From”. It’s “Abel to Yzerman”. Incidentally, regarding the style of using all capital letters for every word in a blog title, Paul K. does the exact same thing. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s consistent.

You say there’s nothing wrong with being a homer, yet blast him for being a homer.

Finally, you get to the crux of the matter: credentialing and blaming what you perceive to be the situation on blogs that you don’t like.

There are two issues with blogs, that I can see, which lead to the lack of credentialing: firstly, as Dougie points out, there are a whole range of blogs out there, from the greasy spoon to the five star dining experience, with everything in between. Most if not all sports teams lump them all together in a blanket “no bloggers” policy, which is, quite frankly, stupid and lazy on their part. It is not that hard to figure out which blogs seek objectivity, but I don’t think it really matters because of the second issue: blogs are not news organizations. They’re just not. If you want all the bloggers from SB Nation to be credentialed, you’re going to have to drop the “B”, set yourselves up as a media outlet, declare yourself journalists, post primarily news as opposed to opinion, and hold yourself to the same standards journalists are expected to hold themselves to.

Unfortunately for you and your aspirations of being “professional”, you’re a hell of a long way from that. This post was maybe as far from professional as it gets. You attacked a fan and an amateur blogger for being a fan, and an amateur blogger, and for having a style that you don’t like, and likely have started another stupid and pointless blogging flame war. Way to go. You want to know what’s wrong with blogs? This.

by monkeyshins on Dec 16, 2009 6:16 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Every Time I Reread This, Something Else Stupid Jumps at Me.
The difference between the two (KK and SBN) is that SBN seems to have cherry picked some of the best blogs from across the web and put them all in one place. What this leads to is a powerhouse network of blogs, all with mostly professional posts with the occasional light hearted homer-esque post from time to time.

My answer to this: http://www.stlouisgametime.com/

I’d like your take on what percentage of the posts at that SBN blog fit into the “professional post” category and which fit into the “occasional light hearted homer-esque post” category.

For the record, I like St. Louis Game Time more than I like this blog. They’re bitter, they’re spiteful, they’re vitriolic, they’re mean, but at least they’re honest about all of that. I can respect that about them.

If you want to clean up the blogosphere so the professionals like you can get your press credentials, start in your own house. Go ahead and ask the guys at St. Louis Game Time to dial back their act a little bit so you can get taken seriously. I’d love to see that.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I have my credentials, thank you very much.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then why are you complaining about other bloggers?

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Because I can. And because it is part of the debate about whether or not they should be in the press box. Regardless of what blogs that don’t give a rip about credentials may say, they affect the ability of other bloggers to get in the press box. It is a case of reality, fact.

So, it was not a complaint about a blogger, it was an example of the poor writing and crude humor that the NHL points to and says, “Yeah, no. You’re not welcome here.”

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of what blogs that don’t give a rip about credentials may say, they affect the ability of other bloggers to get in the press box. It is a case of reality, fact.

This just goes back to J.J.‘s Washington Post / Onion point. It would seem to me that if a league or team is summarily dismissing blogs on the grounds that a few of them aren’t up to their standards, then the problem is with the league or team not doing anything to pick out “credible” ones.

The thing is, all of us bloggers aren’t on a team together. We aren’t in a rigid industry governed by rules, deadlines, or a moral code. Our readers are the only people who keep us in check, and that’s it. I don’t see myself as part of some special fraternity because I have a dumb hockey site; I see myself as a fan who really isn’t that different than an internet commenter (I just write for longer periods of time in a designated place). The thought of some guy drawing a picture of a penis in MS Paint and posting it on his blog somehow affecting the credentials of a guy from Minnesota with a stupid hat is way off base to me.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell the NHL that, not me. Because on that point, we agree, but the NHL sees otherwise.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YOU tell them that. YOU are the one who brought this up. I don’t give a shit about blogging credentials.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, and there it is again. You don’t care.

Then why exactly are you here?

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t give a shit about having blogging credentials. But since you can’t seem to remember anything that you are typing, I’ll remind you that you’ve brought up many more points than just that one.

What I do give a shit about this discussion, which includes you taking a blogger to task, Red Wing bloggers to task, Red Wing fans to task, etc.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then you should be complaining about the NHL’s stance on bloggers instead of chiding the bloggers who write for a different audience than you do.

From a strict standpoint, your article above attacking the Chief’s is a poorer example of writing than either of the posts you’ve referenced. The sidebar on Abel to Yzerman clearly lays out his blog as an opinionated fan’s rants, while you’ve made the claim that you’re an objective journalistic blogger. You then go on to sink to his level in the terms of putting descriptors in quotes in order to attack a title. You make a claim that most bloggers are professional and objective; a claim that cannot be backed up with facts. You start with a blanket statement that Red Wings fans and bloggers tend to think the league is out to get them, which is another opinion piece that has no place in a “professionally written” article.

You separate yourself from the Chief’s writing through your veil of professionalism, so you’re to be expected to uphold a higher standard in your writing than he is. You’ve done it to yourself and you’ve missed the standard you’ve set for your writing by a significantly larger margin than the Chief, who hasn’t missed any sort of standards that he’s set for himself.

The blogging community does not have rigid rules, when you try to set them, you yourself are the only one who has to be expected to follow them. Sorry, but you failed.

Also, “because I can”? Really?

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I forgot to mention something, and this is actually a pretty big point: if you were being “professional”, then you would have taken the two minutes necessary to discern the Chief’s gender instead of childishly writing “he(she?)”.

I mean, from a fans attacking fans perspective, it’s kind of deviously funny to be intentionally unsure of a person’s gender, but cognisant enough of the importance of gender. Don’t pull the halo over your head and try to play it off like it wasn’t a tongue-in-cheek attack at the Chief’s masculinity. However, since you’re being held to your own standard of professionalism, it was a poor choice to write that.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Never said I didn’t know his gender.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And professionals can be funny, too.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Because I can. Really.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, it was not a complaint about a blogger, it was an example of the poor writing and crude humor that the NHL points to and says, "Yeah, no. You’re not welcome here."

You gave an example of a fan that blogs. Nothing more. In the court of common sense the evidence you have presented would be thrown out.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing you are not the judge then.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, it was not a complaint about a blogger

Huh? Are you sleep typing?

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice, how you only used half of the sentence.

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by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

…because the other half was supposed to contradict the first half? Is that how this works?

A claim is a claim, whole sentence or not.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine. Clarify your use of the word complaint. I was not complaining. Complaining is the same as whining in my book.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Semantics, the last weapon of a man who’s taken an indefensible position…

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Complaining is the same as whining in my book.

You do not have a journalism degree. There is no possible way.

If there is a leak in the sink at my apartment and I file a complaint, am I also whining?

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends if you use quotes or all caps to file the complaint. Although I think the bigger question is, is it safe to let a plumber that blogs into my house to fix the leak?

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I could fix the leak too. Basic plumbing is pretty simple.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What would you like for proof?

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that you can’t discern a complaint from childish whining is all I need. Any journalist has a strict hold on basic definitions.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To elaborate,

If this entire post wasn’t a complaint as to how the Chief has done something to diminish the credibility of bloggers in the eyes of NHL teams, then your piece was extraordinarily unclear and you aren’t a very good writer.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the one I was looking for when you accused one of my cohorts of not addressing the entire point.

Congrats, you have your credentials. No, really, I’m happy that credentials are something you want and that you have them.

Now, care to write a scathing article about the guys at St. Louis Game Time and how they’re adding to the problem being taken seriously you and your professional blogging intelligentsia share?

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I will. I would have to visit their site first. Thanks for the tip.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between the two (KK and SBN) is that SBN seems to have cherry picked some of the best blogs from across the web and put them all in one place. What this leads to is a powerhouse network of blogs, all with mostly professional posts with the occasional light hearted homer-esque post from time to time.

So what you’re saying is that these two sentences were based off incomplete research?

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In your opinion, I suppose, yep.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many of SBN’s blogs have you not visited? This isn’t a matter of opinion. You made a claim earlier and now you’ve said something that completely defeats that claim. It’s not very professional to make blanket statements about two blog networks when you’re not intimately familiar with either.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Saint Louis one. Never been there. Or the Red Wings one, as far as I can remember. SBN adds new blogs fairly regularly. I have not visited most of the MLB blogs, the NFL blogs, the NBA blogs, or the NCAA football or basketball blogs.

Incomplete research? Sure. You win.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

glass house

so you ridicule a blogger who you don’t know and readers you don’t like because they… ridicule other bloggers and readers they don’t like.

perfect.

Arrogance is not stumbled upon. It doesn’t take you by surprise and it’s not misguided. It’s earned and it’s healthy and it’s ours.

when your team has had the long term success the wings have had, you’ll understand. don’t get your hopes up, though.

by Twig in Houston on Dec 16, 2009 9:02 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I never said anything about the readers. Not once.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You did a bad job of disguising it then
the fans and bloggers still seem to think the entire NHL fanbase and the NHL itself is out to get them somehow.

So the fans you’re referring to — that excludes A2Y readers? Because if you want to lump Puck Daddy and Tin Foil Hats into it, then you’re acknowledging Wysh’s claim that the Chief and his readers are mainly composed of conspiracy theorists and the “us against the world” crowd.

The defiance of “Not once” was rather cute. And somewhat contradictory, since your concluding statement claimed that A2Y — whether wrong or right — has created a negative image for the majority of Wings fans. But not the readers, eh?

You can play the semantics game all day. To me, you just took this post in too many directions to defend yourself on all accounts. Is it only the Chief that you have a problem with? The fans? The fans who are conspiracy theorists who AREN’T on A2Y? Red Wings bloggers (of whom you say “tend” to think everyone is out to get our team, despite not naming a single other blog, and admitting not to read them in the first place?)

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But it is nice that you know you are arrogant. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s no problem. i love it.

by Twig in Houston on Dec 16, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

...who cares?

I don’t understand the point here. You seem almost jealous of the attention that his blog gets. What I don’t get is that you make an assumption that everyone reading his blog is so dumb that they cannot figure out it’s mostly for entertainment, humor, and Red Wings “homerism”. Clearly you just want to believe that everyone reading it is that dumb, when you know they’re probably exactly like the readers of your blog — just trying to enjoy some musings on a topic they know and love by someone who’s not constrained by a news organization to be as vanilla as possible.

I also find it annoying that people like to blame blogs like that for being the reason others hate Red Wings fans. To take a single blog and make the assumption that all Wings fans are loud, obnoxious, and whiny is ridiculous, and makes me seriously question your judgment. I’m sure you can find the perfect “bad fan” for any team and pretend that person is how all fans of the respective team act.

by jameshstephenson on Dec 16, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You know what I really love is when people who leave comments tell me how I feel about a topic, or why I wrote about it.

I wrote about this topic because I have long been involved in the debate about whether or not bloggers should be in the press box. These two posts from “The Chief” are true examples of why NHL teams do not credential bloggers. Like it or not.

Jealous? Nah. No jealousy here. I am betting I could get a thousand hits a day as well if I went with homophobic diatribe as my main source of humor. Appealing to the lowest common denominator is always a good way to gain publicity. (See… now I went after the readers.)

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re one step away from getting hired by Yahoo!

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deal.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Degree? Hm.
From the first post, titled Instead Of Whining? Let’s Make Some Sort Of Sick Contest Out Of It. First off, the title? Just, wow. What is the question mark for? I am not a grammatical master, hell there are probably enough spelling and grammar errors in this post to give any responder plenty of ammo against me. However, not every word in a title is capitalized. Only the important ones.

Your title: “Anyone Else a Little Bored?”

Exactly the same. See, “Instead of Whining?” is an abbreviated interrogatory sentence. The “What are we doing…” or the “what will we do” part is implied. Just like the verb in your title, “is,” is implied. Granted, it’s not technically grammatically correct, but it is acceptable. See, that’s a rhetorical device available to writers of prose. Some chose to stray from the strict confines of grammar in order to write with a more colloquial style. Though, I’m sure they taught you all of that at awesome blogger school.

And thanks from the tip, straight from the AP stylebook: Only capitalize the “important” words. Again, did they teach you this at your fancy school?

Good reporting, by the way. Like the true, credentialed, objective stalwart of democracy that you are you uncover such wonders such as… nothing. You don’t even bother to get the name of the blog right, nor do you manage to spend the three minutes it would take to determine the Chief’s gender. Good on you, Lord Byron. You’re really a shining beacon for the struggling blogger everywhere, just rubbing their pinky rings and wishing upon a star that the Chief at Abel to Yzerman would stop standing in the way of their Rudy moments.

by CaptNorris5 on Dec 16, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You see what you did there?

To that I answer, absolutely nothing. Except for this.

I believe that’s called contradicting yourself, but I’ll pretend I didn’t notice. I’m too busy gazing in awe at your credential you have (which, oddly enough, is the “premise” of this article) and that journalism degree you’re busy showing off.

In fact, let me raise a beer to you (pinky extended, of course) and salute your fine efforts here. I even have a toast:

Here’s to getting off your high horse, stopping your pissing and moaning about other organizations and not taking an article in 17 different directions just to crescendo it with a big fat sob story about how bloggers don’t get credentials because of A2Y.

I thought TRUE writers like yourself strove for objectivity, since you obviously feel that the non-objective “writers” out there are costing your profession so dearly. Yet you include only ONE example in the form of A2Y. Yet you claim that the NHL has “plenty of ammunition” when shooting down blogger access. Well, where’s the rest of the ammunition? (Go ahead, I’ll wait.)

If you’re truly participating in the debate about blogger access, I would expect you to realize that the problems that are inherent to that system are well above the writings of one person that exists in the vast landscape of NHL blogging.

Now, why don’t you go back to the couch, shine up your degree on the coffee table and pour yourself a tall, warm glass of STFU.

Find me on twitter @chollis

by motownchollis on Dec 16, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I believe that’s called contradicting yourself, but I’ll pretend I didn’t notice. I’m too busy gazing in awe at your credential you have (which, oddly enough, is the "premise" of this article) and that journalism degree you’re busy showing off.

See… now why should I argue with you at all?

Your cohorts demanded I get a journalism degree. I informed them I already have one. They chastised me for my overly ambitious desire to have credentials, I pointed out that I already have them. I was not showing off.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Then you should have led with that point in your article in order to set the stage for your educated opinion on the matter. Instead, you came across looking like a whiny little girl, pining for access to what the MSM has.

Now, instead of having an educated discussion on the “point” of your post (whatever the hell that’s supposed to be), you’re defending your own person, not your original opinion.

Did you half-ass this one or something? If you’re going to make a claim as broad as the one you made (blogger access is limited in the NHL because of certain bloggers), you have to back it up with multiple points of supporting evidence. Instead, you latched on to one example and crossed your fingers in hopes that your readership would blindly support an opinion supported by one loose, personal belief.

You may very well have that degree and that credential and be considered a professional at what you do. Wonderful. Congratulations. However, I find it very unlikely that any professor at any communications school would look at this piece and say “Yes, that meets the standard of establishing an argument and providing sufficient evidence to support that opinion.”

If that’s the case, I’m going back to school and demanding my doctorate.

Find me on twitter @chollis

by motownchollis on Dec 16, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I have. In previous posts both here and in other locations. Not going to reiterate my argument every time I find a new example.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's call a spade a spade.

This attack on A2Y and to a lesser degree, Red Wings fans and bloggers (and I am both) is nothing more than a cheap ploy to get hits. So you take the high road and stay away from the “homophobic diatribe” because you get just as many by making fun of it. Does that make you any better? I don’t think so. NHL Blogging101 says that all you have to do get people to come to your site, who would otherwise stay clear, is to find a passionate fan base and then without provocation, chastise them (or the person they so loyally read). You’re not the first to pull this off, you won’t be the last. Enjoy the extra hits.

by AnimalDrew on Dec 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Again, trying to tell me why I wrote something. I love it.

I have no idea how many hits this blog gets. Not a single clue. This is not my blog, I am only a contributor to it. Nathan… any idea how many hits this post got in relation to others?

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Page views and visits jumped

Nicely done sir

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Alright.

I have grown tired of debating with you folks. Enjoy the comment section. Say what you will, all comments are welcome.

Thank you for stopping by, and make sure to “Increase the hits” any time. Nathan may appreciate it, if in some way it makes HW look better to someone.

If someone would like to bring up something other than my supposed lack of credentials, journalism degree, or my inability to determine gender of a writer who fails to identify themselves, I would be ipen to that discussion. Otherwise, consider the argument closed, at least from my side.

Enjoy your photoshop games with my picture as well. A penis instead of a bottle of beer (It’s a MIchelob, by the way)? That’s the best you’ve got? Hell, my friends came up with that five years ago when it was taken.

Later all.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well?

How’d that turn out for you?

Dumbass.

by a2y on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not too shabby.

Fuckwad.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey that was me!
Enjoy your photoshop games with my picture as well. A penis instead of a bottle of beer (It’s a MIchelob, by the way)?

Wow I’m famous! And you know..that means he went to A2Y today all by his little self without having to have it recommended.

We’re proud of you.

Douche

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you. You are a shining example of everything that is wrong with humanity.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh!

I’d missed this in the frenzy. That means alot coming from you!

by 42jeff on Dec 17, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny, you keep coming back here.

What’s wrong? You can’t defend yourself?

I don’t think you were even aiming right in the first place. As you’ve continuously proven in comments, you have issues with the Wild PR being either unwilling or unable to engage bloggers on any kind of rational basis.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And you have proven that you have no ability to read anything that counters what you say.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a joke, right? Seriously. Come on. Really?

I could write an encyclopedia of stuff that you have contradicted yourself on today. Oh — let me save you from having to make the pithy retort:

“Fine go ahead.”

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

That’s why I keep responding to you?

By the way, I don’t know if you noticed… you’re still here an hour after you said you were leaving.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So then why did you write this? Was it truly because you were just bored? I should remind you that “Not a single clue.” is in fact, a sentance fragment. This post has done nothing but bring you negative response. This site used to be my link for the Minnesota Wild…no longer. I know you don’t care, Nathan might not care. But I’ll never come back again, unless it’s to rub a “W” in your face. Peace.

by AnimalDrew on Dec 16, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

retreat
I have grown tired of debating with you folks.

translated:

my ass has been handed to me enough and i regret writing this post.

by Twig in Houston on Dec 16, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Guessing right about now he wishes he had picked on the “Odelein to Nash” blog instead

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oops… “From Odelein to Nash”

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man

Red wings fans have a lot of free time for inane comments, what with their Not having jobs in the plant anymore.

Thank you Detroit! Now pay the bailout money
back you unemployed fucks.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Solid take man! Defend the indefensible with unemployment smack. You win!!!!!

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a dog in this fight

I just hate the city of Detroit

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You express your hate of a city by involving yourself in a discussion that “you have no fight in” yet Red Wings fans are the ones that have “a lot of free time for inane comments”.

Pot calling kettle, come in kettle

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

I’m just wasting time at a conference in Chicago (another crappy city) and thought I’d check in. This amuses me, your anger, thanks for the entertainment.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I am angry? Quite the opposite. I have been laughing all morning.

enjoy your conference & I hope you get snowed in until February

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now!

That’s just mean. Nobody should ever get stuck in Chicago. This fucking place is the armpit of the Midwest.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Dumbass

I live in North Dakota. Got a jab for me as well?

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Too easy.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

That is way too fucking easy.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Why waste the time? You are from North Dakota. It’s never nice to pick on the slow kid, either.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say I was "from" North Dakota

I said I “live” here. And honestly…I was always taught that about people from Minnesota growing up…so I guess at least part of what you said holds water.

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s a classic cop-out.

by Twig in Houston on Dec 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what I was thinking

He may as well have resorted to “Yo mama” jokes.

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Class act.

You got it. All Red Wing fans? We live in Detroit. That’s right, none of us ever leave.

Ever.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

You have to, to find work

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. But… don’t bring up class. Your cohorts don’t like it.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the support?

In all seriousness. I would love to hear the thoughts on this topic from a blogger that wasn’t attacked. Where is the support from other bloggers that share the same view? Up to this point you are receiving less support than Marty McSorley did from his Bruin team mates after tapping Donald Brasher on the “shoulder”.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That would be at the top of the thread

Difference is that you are taking it very
seriously. The rest of us read and moved on.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what “professionals” do, they get taken seriously.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No no no, J.J., you aren’t reading it right. Nathan is the crazy slapstick one with the potty mouth (you never know what he’s gonna say next!), and Pinky is the formal, straight-laced “I hope I make it in this big bright city” ambitious guy.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Pinky"

I like that. Can I use that? Thanks.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that. Can I use that? Thanks

stfu. you said you were done.

by Twig in Houston on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said I was done with the old washed up argument.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So Nathan will be played by Martin Lawrence and Pinky will be played by Jonah Hill when Brett Ratner comes calling on the movie deal, right?

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you like.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, since it’s Christmas and you’re the cool kids’ Santa Claus, I’d like you to write a retraction of this entire article.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll pass. Thanks.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew I couldn’t trust you…

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Red wings fans have a lot of free time for inane comments, what with their Not having jobs in the plant anymore.

Thank you Detroit! Now pay the bailout money
back you unemployed fucks.

…yeah… it’s the Red Wings fans who have “attitudes that aren’t exactly conducive to planting the seeds of Good Will.”

Die in hell, nathaneide, die in hell.

by CaptNorris5 on Dec 16, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can't

I’m too busy keeping Detroit on the Axis of Evil, what with Kwame still running things behind the scene.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Red wings fans have a lot of free time for inane comments, what with their Not having jobs in the plant anymore.

I’d like to point out that the writer of this post dedicated about 1,000 unpaid words to fling shit at a blog that didn’t provoke him. With that time he could’ve gone out and formed a grass roots circle jerk fund-raising campaign to help donate to Nathan’s pocket (that empty place where all of us Detroiters stole from. By the way we’re all from Detroit and worked in the plant. I hate us.)

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

2 things I like about your blog

1. You don’t delete or moderate comments. Seriously, huge props for that.
2. The little pop up window that indicates the next beat down has begun

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

By the way, what the hell is this fight about? I just got an email saying that shit was blowing
up? Honestly, I’m just at the point where I’m trying to pick at a scab, I don’t mean anything I say. I like to stir shit, but I mean no ill-will.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'll catch you up
I don’t mean anything I say.

Basically, your partner thinks you are an example of why bloggers don’t have press credentials.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what I said.

Nice summary.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it was.

From A2Y’s sidebar, explaining what the blog is about:

we do little research, find facts and stats highly overrated and claim little to no preparation. There are 19 readers of A2Y. No more, no less. All of them, except maybe one, are juvenile in nature. Reminding them of that in the comment section will only encourage them to prove that.

From nathaneide’s post, asking “what’s going on here?”:

Honestly, I’m just at the point where I’m trying to pick at a scab, I don’t mean anything I say. I like to stir shit, but I mean no ill-will.

That’s exactly what you’ve said. You call out A2Y for not being serious. Your partner comes in and says he isn’t serious.

These things don’t work in conjunction.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nathan can do whatever he wants. Its his blog. They work just fine in conjunction. That is, if you choose to allow your mind to function.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is, if you choose to allow your mind to function.

You have zero intent on carrying on a legitimate conversation. You just wanted to stir some shit, and you’ve done it.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carry on a legit conversation with you? Why should I? Every comment you have made has already been discussed in other areas of the comments.

Bring up something new. I would be glad to discuss it with you.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You keep replying to every single comment I make

Sorry for assuming you actually want to engage in a conversation instead of just be a gigantic prick all afternoon long.

I’m done. And unlike you, I’m actually leaving.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See ya.

Thanks for repeating everything everyone else already said. Appreciated.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you left? Isn’t this Old Argument territory? Whatever. Your blog.

I thought it was a nice summary too. I mean Nathan’s just a wildcat who can’t be contained, he just shoots from the hip and whatever he says goes. He’s so unpredictable, that fun-loving guy!

How’s that different from you opinion of the Chief again?

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I’ve given up trying to get credentials, so I’ve decided to go on the anti-homer, sarcastic bend instead. It’s actually more fun and gets more clicks.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, gotta love it

Fuck integrity, I NEED MORE CLICKS!

by john.kmiecik on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

No ill will?

Red wings fans have a lot of free time for inane comments, what with their Not having jobs in the plant anymore.

Thank you Detroit! Now pay the bailout money
back you unemployed fucks.

Just what the hell do you call this?

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stirring the pot

Getting people to comment. You did

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

But the lack of moderating isn’t

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Soooooo

Anyone bored with this? Feel like ripping on the Blackhawks and their horrible contracts? Those damn things should be vacated

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Now I’m conflicted. I like you, because you’re not pretending to be professional, but I don’t like your partner because he is, and he wrote an article that says people like you are part of the problem. I just don’t know what to think anymore. We need somebody to wag the dog and quick.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When was I not professional? Was my analysis of the original two posts somehow offensive? Or did it just upset people who did not like the content?

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve already explained where you failed to be professional.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you did a terrible job of it then.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t blame me for your failure to understand, blame yourself for your hubris. Perhaps if you had paid more attention in your AP English class, you’d have a better grasp on reading comprehension, which does really seem to be a weak point in your cavalcade of linguistic skills.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So Nathan confirms what we suspected

It’s all about the clicks.

Stirring the pot
Getting people to comment. You did

What credibility he had left has just been run over by the bus that his “partner” is driving.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not likely.

I wasn’t looking for credibility, just having fun and I like venting about the Wild, hence, i blog. I just like reading stuff that passionate people write.

By the way, my favorite hockey blogs are Battle of California and SLGT. I like to
be entertained.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to the assumed credibility of Pinky. Kinda hilarious now that I think about it. A person that assumes credibility calls himself Buddha.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don;t call myself anything. I have written several times on this topic, and am tired of doing so.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And again… Nathan can do whatever he pleases.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I would write those kinds of posts

But I like that style. I tend to stick to snarky analysis.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think that was meant as sarcasm. I could be wrong though.

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by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Detroit is such a terrible city filled with terrible people, right?

So, you’ essentially just proved how hard the Minnesota Wild blow by never being able to best horrible, horrible Detroit in the Conference. Wait, I’m probably forgetting about that playoff run back in…

by Natalie on Dec 16, 2009 12:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhhh snap!

My life is affirmed by the success of my sports franchise. I rule all.

Relax.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

New Question for Pinky

What is your opinion of your co-writer, who clearly operates under a similar theme that the Chief does?

Okay, two questions: You can make fun of slow people in North Dakota, but homo jokes are off limits? Just making sure you’re keeping that moral compass pointing upward.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Derrrrr....

Hey Tyler….I thought we were on the same side here….

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wait!

I know a homo IN North Dakota…he must be fair game.

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not the same

There are just too many ways to make fun of North Dakotans that it becomes pedantic.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I refused to make fun of people from North Dakota. So I have that going for me.

My opinion of Nathan does not change. It is his blog, and he has the right to write what ever he chooses. I have read his work for a long time, and would not have signed on if he was not professional. His posts here are nowhere near the dribble that The Chief writes. Not even in the same ballpark. Except for an occasional off hand comment in reply to someone’s stupidity, Nathan is one of the most professional guys I know.

The theme Nathan operates in no way, shape or form in the way The Chief does. Nathan would never make a homosexual reference to prove a point or get a cheap laugh. Nice try though

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be up front, I have never read Nathan’s stuff. From the few comments I’ve seen from him today, I like the guy. He seems fun and shit.

Given this:

I wasn’t looking for credibility, just having fun and I like venting about the Wild, hence, i blog. I just like reading stuff that passionate people write.

By the way, my favorite hockey blogs are Battle of California and SLGT. I like to
be entertained.

I wondered if he writes in a similar fashion. He likes reading passionate people, so I assume he is one who writes that way. As does Chief. Similar.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Similar is a dangerous word. Just because they both write and are passionate does not make them similar.

Worlds apart.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay. Just as long as he’s professional and isn’t jeopardizing anybody’s credentials. That would be awful.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No one is going to point to Nathan and say “See, that’s why you can’t come in.”

The cuss words are rare, there are no bigoted remarks, and the criticism he does give the team and league as a whole are founded in fact. The Chief uses every bigoted remark he can and subscribes to a belief that the NHL is somehow out to get one of its premier teams.

Nathan aims his critcism at the players, the management, and the coaches. Not outside forces or groups of people that are different from him.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand not liking the Chief’s writing. Honestly. If that’s not somebody’s style, then that’s cool.

But where is this bigoted nonsense you speak of? I read there everyday and I can’t think of anything he’s spewed at one of these “groups”.

Gays? Is that it? You just made fun of all North Dakota people by saying they’re retarded (you used slow). How is this different?

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

Now excuse me while I go wipe the dribble off my chin…

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I called jeff slow, not all people from North Dakota.

And yes, he uses gay slurs. Even one of those is too many. Cuss words or not.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don’t remember ever having read a gay slur on A2Y from the Chief. Do you have any examples of this from all the articles there you haven’t read?

Yes, he hints at an inappropriate relationship between Gary Bettman and Sidney Crosby, but I’ve never actually seen a slur used.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Except for the the line:

With that hat and that pinky, you’re calling me homerific? Ohhh….homer. Not…nevermind.

You are correct, I have not read many posts over there. But I as I said already, one gay slur is one too many.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Playing the semantics game, that is not a slur.

Playing along with your own game, you intentionally challenged his masculinity in your post (creating the assumption that being considered “feminine” here is a bad thing), yet he’s somehow more bigoted than you are by doing the exact same thing with homosexuality?

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

You don’t even know me, yet had no problem insulting my intelligence. Thanks so much.

by 42jeff on Dec 16, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anytime.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I accept that. I haven’t actually read the other guy, so I can’t comment, but that is an accurate description of my style.

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Cuss Words?

They’re okay, as long as it’s rare? I think you’re making things up as you go along now. For what it’s worth (I wasn’t offended), Nathan referred to us as unemployed fucks. But if he only does it once — that’s okay?

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's ok to use profanity if done in the right way

A carefully placed f-bomb can really punctuate a thought nicely

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

When you have a minute can you explain why at his age Nathan has dribble & not drivel coming out of his mouth?

nowhere near the dribble

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well, he has neither coming out of his mouth, as this is a written post, not spoken, but nice try.

I used the word dribble to associate the value of baby spit to your fearless leader.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I used the word dribble to associate the value of baby spit to your fearless leader.

& in one concise sentence you managed to summarize the view of what you think a blogger is that got you into this ditch that you are trying to dig yourself out of. A blogger is not a leader. You are giving yourself & all bloggers more credit than they deserve & I suspect would like to take credit for. As much as you would like to think that (your) blog readers are “followers”, they are not.

Clearly you think you/bloggers are not getting enough respect. Respect is gained by rising above.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rising above? Do you even know the definition of that?

The reference to him being a leader was a sarcastic joke. Do I need to spell this out for you every time? If you are going to play the semantics game, you should probably learn how to play first.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is not your sarcasm, it’s the inconsistent and out of context manner that you use it in. Hence why you have had to explain over & over what exactly it is you really meant to say. Sarcasm is also a convenient excuse when you don’t have anything pertinent to convey.

by mserven on Dec 16, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

Lunch time

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Break Time

Like Nathan said, it is lunch time. That, and I have some work to do. Sorry folks.

As I said earlier, please feel free to continue commenting. I’ll try to come back later and reply to anything that may be new.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’m out too. Thanks for the spirited interweb dialogue. It was honestly too much fun destroying all of your weak arguments with everyone. Stay classy, Pink.

Nathan, I’ll look forward to reading a Wild post with your name on it sometime.

by TDTyler on Dec 16, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be doing a podcast with Fanhouse tomorrow

So you can even hear my dulcet tones

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Will do. Thanks for stopping by. Though I am not sure you convinced anyone that my argument is weak, other than the loyal followers of “The Chief,” and they likely cannot be swayed anyway.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Woops

Sorry I couldn’t be here to play all day. Jeff from N. Dakota? He’s there because he’s in the military, dickwad.

I’m a bigot? Prove it Pinky. You’ve been getting blasted here all day. Awesome.

Only the 19 think your argument is weak? Uh oh. Check this out.

Posted by: WildNation
Email:
URL: http://wildnation.hockeyprimetime.com
Location:

Here’s the deal…

I’m a Wild fan. I run a Wild blog. And guess what?

I read A2Y as often as I’m able to. Why? Because it’s a damn good read. It’s entertaining.

Now, as a Wild blogger, am I in pursuit of press credentials? Yeah. I am. I’d be lying if I said otherwise. But anybody who thinks there is just one or two specific blogs that prevent bloggers from getting press credentials is, quite simply, an idiot.

The reason why it’s so difficult for bloggers to get press credentials isn’t because of “unobjective” blogs. It’s not because of blogs that swear or make fun of other teams. Ok…It might be a little bit, but not on a whole. The reason is because the majority of bloggers don’t have to answer to anyone but themselves. They don’t have editors. In other words, they don’t have anyone to hold them to any sort of standard. This is a problem when you have, for the most part, unfettered access to the team.

Honestly, up until this point, I was a regular visitor to Hockey Wilderness. But what Buddha did is actually quite ironic. He takes shots at A2Y for being unprofessional…A very “professional” move, if I do say so.

Maybe he should hold himself to the same levels of professionalism before he begins ragging on someone else about being unprofessional.

Like I said in my post at A2Y, you are way over your head. You should have done some research before you put your pinky out there, Sally. Oops, was that “bigoted”. Aww. I apologize.

by a2y on Dec 16, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A

Ah yes, Wild Nation. A blog started by a guy who was denied a spot on the Pro Hockey News team.

As for his argument:

Professionals take shots at other writer’s work all the time. Russo takes shots at Powers, Powers at Russo. So that is weak at best.

Wild Nation has been a blog for about what, half a season? My bet is that he has never even had a conversation with the Wild about credentials, nor does he understand why the PR department bans blogs.

As for him calling me an idiot for thinking that one or two blogs keep bloggers out, I will, again, repeat myself. It is blogs LIKE this that are used as ammo. I have actually had the conversation with the PR staff. It was not on the record, so no, I am not going to name the blogs they used for reference. A2Y was not one of them. But the ones they did mention have the same type of writing.

I appreciate that one Wild blogger who didn’t make the cut anywhere else has an opinion about me. Good for him.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Dec 17, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and...

…have you ever heard of the Jackatoreum?

No?

You will.

by a2y on Dec 16, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad box lunch at all

What are you having for lunch?

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by nathaneide on Dec 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Thinking some left over pot roast from last night.

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by BReynolds on Dec 16, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you ever end up actually trying to get a serious job within the Wild franchise, this post is going to come back and bite you in the ass. I can’t see anyone wanting to hire you after the things you’ve said to people in the comments. Was this post seriously worth it? I’m not trying to be mean here. It’s just the first thing that came to my mind as someone who will be graduating soon and looking for a job.

by breakaway on Dec 16, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Amazing ...

… the attempts to defend the original post.

Amazing.

by stonehands78 on Dec 16, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I might be a little late but:

1. You Buddha are a douche bag. Your post reeks of hypocricy
2. Go find a dictionary and find out what the word “blogger” means
3. As you guys have ragged on Detroit natives and North Dakotans, what do you think of us Norwegians?

by Andy from FightNight on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, next time you get a hankerin’ to make a post like this, consult Avalanche fans first.

You can’t criticize Excluding Zetterberg without expecting a visit from their flame-war army. For a team with as many Cup wins, they sure do have some thin-skinned fans.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

For real.

Avs fans are old hat at this.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 24, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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