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Most city officials said budget cuts are fueling such changes. Cities are entering another year of unpredictable state aid and reimbursements, and with small or nonexistent revenue increases due to slow -- or stalled -- development.

"Unfortunately, we're not considered a core service," said Lakeville Parks and Recreation Director Steve Michaud. "Definitely, it will affect the quality of life for those interested in that particular activity. What do you do in the winter in Minnesota?"

Thanks to Tim Pawlenty cutting LGA and randomly cutting and slashing budgets (how was your drive this morning?) cities are cutting costs by cutting hockey rinks.

Where will the next John Mayasich, Neal Broten or T.J. Oshie come from if they can't wake up, go to the rink and stay there all day?

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They will come from California…or live near a lake. As long as global warming doesn’t set in too quickly.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Read this today and was bummed

I just hope they continue to flood the rink by our house, mind you the warming house is permanently closed, but it is something.

I want to offer an evening or two per week, in the winter, to volunteer to keep up the rink by my house. Heck, maybe they would let me keep the warming house open too.

by mbennett on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We need a Hockey Wilderness hockey night

That sounds fun to me.

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by nathaneide on Dec 9, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Quit complaining and just get it done

Mbennett has the right idea. Instead of complaining about Pawlenty, maybe parents could just do like they did when I was growing up. Flood the rink themselves.

Every year at the rec center I grew up at, the parents (almost always the dad) had an all night flood. Of course they did more than just flood the rink, but the point being, they didn’t piss and moan about how crappy the economy was during the Carter years, they just got it done so their kids could play.

BTW: John Mayasich, Neal Broten, and others took care of the rink themselves, as did their parents. They didn’t wait for some overpaid city union lackey to take care of the rink for them.

This winter the parents and players of Johnson area will take care of the rink at Phalen Park in St. Paul, just like they have for the last 60+ years. Yes, this is the same rink that the great Herb Brooks, Wendell Anderson, and so many others grew up at.

I think other cities should follow their lead.

by Nalts on Dec 9, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't disagree with you more

The cities in the north metro have always maintained the rinks, staffed the warming houses and as the warming houses have shut down and the rinks are maintained less frequently, the number of kids on the rinks have decreased to the point where many cities have pulled the boards right out of the parks. This hurts the culture of the state of Minnesota.

$18k annually to staff and maintain the rinks is a drop in the bucket of a $3.2 million park budget.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Dec 9, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You Just Proved My Point

What part do you disagree with? The fact that growing up the parents of my teams maintained the rinks? Maybe that the Mayasich’s, Broten’s, and other families did the same for their kids? Or that the parents in the St. Paul Johnson area continue to take care of the rink like they have for 60+ years? Oh I know, it’s that you don’t think that other cities should follow their lead.

You state that the north metro cities have always maintained the rinks and they are no longer doing so. So basically, since it’s “always” been assumed that each city will maintain the rinks, if the the cities back out and don’t maintain the rinks no one else can?

When I grew up in St. Paul every rec center had a team. There were 12 to 14 as I recall. (I didn’t play for the vaunted Johnson/Phalen teams until later in my early teen years, BTW). The city of St. Paul wanted to scrap the hockey program altogether, of course for cost reasons.

The parents got together and raised the funds to keep the programs going. The parents of my rec center raised enough money through casino nights and other fundraisers to not only pay for the cost to play, but also to buy maintenance equipment like an enclosed riding tractor with sweeper brush. My point is when the city pulled out, the parents stepped in. If you’re familiar with that area of town you’ll know that the East Side of St. Paul if far from rich. Back then it was decidedly lower-middle class. Today, it is probably worse.

I agree that $18k annually to staff and maintain the rinks is a drop in the bucket of a $3.2 million park budget. I think you would agree with me that most city budgets are bloated with so many unnecessary items that when cuts do need to be made, it’s the “easy” items that get cut first. It isn’t a Pawlenty issue, it’s a combination of bloated budgets and less revenue.

Just like in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the city of St. Paul today still doesn’t have the money for a youth hockey program. Times are just as tough now as they were during the Carter administration. The problem now is that outside of a few areas like Johnson/Phalen there is zero parent support. No one is willing to step up and take the lead. (yes, there are changing demographics as well, but kids are kids).

The Iron Range cities have never had much money. What they lacked in money they more than made up for in parent support. It’s that lack of parent support in places like St. Paul, and not government budget cuts, that more than anything else has killed hockey.

If the parents of the cities where cuts are taking place don’t take action and get involved, they will run the risk of the same thing happening to them.

by Nalts on Dec 10, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sore subject

I am very sorry to say, but there is no reason to keep rinks open, it is a waste of resources.
       I was a rink rat groing up, my parents never bothered aranging anyone to watch me during christmas break, they always knew where I would be….at the rink. Roosevelt Park on Portland Ave in Richfield. There putting on my skates in the snowbank hours before the warming house opened,there after it closed playing by the streetlights of portland Ave. I learned, developed and mastered more skills, both hockey and life than any coach ever taught me.
      rink rats don’t exist in this sense anymore. Kids don’t skate outside anymore. In college at St. Cloud, I coached a peewee team, I tried to encourage the kids to go skate on their own, only to find out that the parents did not want to let the kids, peewee’s, thwelve and thirteen year olds, go to the rink unsupervised. In an attempt to ease the parents concerns, I started letting them know where and when i planned on skating. In response I recieved a call from the association president, informing that for liability reasons, I should not be skating at rink with any of my players unless it is a practice, in which the kids need to be in full equipment.
      I live in eden Prairie now and to find anyone to skate with, I have to drive a circuit of ednen prairie, edina and bloomington rinks. Kids don’t skate outside anymore. I can tell you this firsthand. Even lewis park in Edina, which used to be a guarenteed game has been hit or miss for the last few years and last year was a great year for skating outside.
       If you want to save your outdoor rinks, take the fricken xbox away from your kids and get them to go skate, it wouldn’t kill you to join em either, if no kids go to the rink, there is no point inkeeping them ope

by W1ldfan on Dec 16, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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