Heatley, Clutterbuck and the Great Peanut Butter Debate
Reading through an article from the Edmonton Sun this morning, the talks about Dany Heatley are, ahem, heating up. The Wild are reported to be in the thick of those talks, with Cal Clutterbuck, Tyler Cuma, and James Sheppard being thrown around as possible trade bait.
First off, let me say this: Deal. All three for Heatley. Anyone who says otherwise is drunk on misplaced loyalty.
Heatley would remove the Gaboik question permanently. He is a perrenial 50+ goal scorer, has proven to be durable, and he is 28, just coming into his prime. His production has gone down, rather than up as the years have passed, but so have the Senators, so it is to be expected. To get Heatley on this team would be the coup of the off-season. It would be a move that Chuck Fletcher could boast about and use to show that he was serious about making changes around here.
Now, let me take a moment to address my fellow Wild fans. Some of you out there have a seriously bad case of the loyalty bug. Don't get me wrong, loyalty is an honorable and admirable quality to have. I am loyal to a fault most of the time. I also hate seeing fan favorites get sent packing. I about lost my mind when "he who shall no longer be mentioned" failed to re-sign Andrew Brunette. I also watched as "he who shall no longer be mentioned" failed to re-sign Brian Rolston.
Both failures broke my hockey heart.
This is different. If the Ottawa Senators are willing to trade a super-star caliber player for the NHL's hit leader, a prospect defenseman, and a center who has shown only that he cannot play center, I say deal.
Not the case with my fellow fans. I know that Ms. Conduct would be sore pressed to hide her broken heart if C-Buck were to traded to the Sens. All I can say is that I would be here, 100% to console her and help her to get through until Heatley started lighting that lamp at the X. You see, Ms. C is the creator of the "You Can't Spell Calder Without Cal" campaign, and is truly Cal's biggest fan. For her, I can understand completely why she would not want to see C-Buck leave.
For the rest of you: get off the soap box, find a chair, sit down, find yourself a adult beverage of your choice, and just relax for a minute.
Clutterbuck is my favorite player in an iron range red sweater. He brings an energy and a passion for the game that the Wild sorely lacked for the entire history of the organization. He hits everything that moves, and hits them hard. He showed a bit of offense, and added that mental and physical toughness that every team needs.
Want to know what he did not do? Score 39 goals and have 33 assists last season. Want to know what no one on the Minnesota Wild did last season? Score 39 goals.
The Wild need a finisher. Heatley is a finisher. The Wild need a scorer, he is a scorer. The Wild need a finisher and scorer that is durable. Heatley is a finisher and scorer that is durable. He is big, fast, and better than nearly every player on the current Wild roster put together.
If it is not clear yet, I have been reading several different sites, and have heard from several different outside sources about the discussion Wild fans are having about the potential of trading Clutterbuck for Heatley. The overwhelming voice seems to be that if Fletcher were to trade Clutterbuck for Heatley, that it would be a mistake. If Fletcher can trade Clutterbuck for Heatley, Fletcher is a god.
Here in-lies everything I have noticed about my fellow Wild fan since I jumped head first into the shallow pool that is the Wild blogosphere. The team should never get rid of any player on the current roster, should draft only Minnesota born and raised players, but at the same time should somehow have drafted Crosby and Ovechkin, and the GM should trade for a scorer, but should not give up players or draft picks to do so.
I hate to be the one to say it, but most teams are not willing to trade Heatley caliber players for the head of ticket sales. The GM needs to give up fan favorites from time to time and needs to draft players from outside the state. The GM needs be willing to entertain any and all offers for every player on the roster an in the organization. If the GM is not willing to do so, you go back to the "he who shall no longer be mentioned" era.
To sum it up: Wild fans need to relax a bit, let the brand new GM do his job, and if he decides that Clutterbuck is the piece to be traded to make the team better, than that is what needs to be done. If the trade blows up in his face, then we, as a group, will surely let him know about it. But he is going to make that decision, and he is going to make many more decisions that the lot of Wild fans won't like.
I am not about to tell anyone that they should not voice their opinion. It is your right to do so. What I am asking for here is a simple deep breath. Allow the guy to make some moves, to make some changes. If they turn out to be wrong, so be it. We can pick it up at that point. To attack a no brainer move such as Clutterbuck for Heatley just makes us look collectively silly.
-Buddha
PS- In my last post, I mentioned peanut butter sandwiches. The comment section lit up with a short, but fun debate about the best brand of peanut butter. It turns out Jif is the preferred brand here at the Wilderness. I mentioned Skippy. Turns out there is a jar of Jif in my own cupboard. So case closed, Jif it is.
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Nothin' but love for ya Ms. C.
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by BReynolds on Jun 24, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade would be easier if “he who shall no longer be mentioned” didn’t throw away picks because he couldn’t sign any decent free agents. It would be nice to have a second or third round pick in the up-coming draft to throw at the sens. Fletcher can’t afford to trade any more picks, especially not the first rounder for another player. C-Buck for Heatley would be the best trade in Wild history in my opinion, and i would bow before Fletcher if he got it done.
by JeffE on Jun 25, 2009 12:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d bow before him and then NUT HIM as I’m standing up.
by ms.conduct on Jun 25, 2009 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else...
I gave you a little corner of the world to vent at (on?).
http://www.hockeywilderness.com
by BReynolds on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve vented in all corners today! Facebook, Twitter, Russoville, here… not my own blog because I refuse to acknowledge it in my own little la-la land.
by ms.conduct on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And of course
It is all speculation anyway and not likely to happen, so really I don’t think there’s anything to worry about.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With you 100% on this.
Not going to happen.
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by BReynolds on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why torture me with it, boys? Why?
by ms.conduct on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Is that a trick question? I’m not sure there’s an answer I can provide that won’t get me into trouble. ;)
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you serious?
This is ridiculous! Heatley is not coming here. There are better options. I’m fine with Shep leaving but Cuma and Clutz, you have got to be kidding me. You don’t give up this many pieces for a player unless its Malkin. This guy plays no defense and clearly has character issues. PHIL KESSEL IS CHEAPER, BETTER,YOUNGER. Our 12th pick and Shep. Boston is looking for a first rounder and top young prospect. And no I am not drunk on misplaced loyalty. Do your homework better.
by gaborik on Jun 25, 2009 2:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaby!
I almost missed out on hearing from the lunatic side of the argument. Kessel? Give up Cuma and the first rounder for Kessel? Fletcher would be strung up by his ears. Oh wait, Kessel has Minnesota blood right? So everything would be OK there.
Kessel is not available. Not for that price anyway. Boston would likely want Cuma, the first rounder, and at least Shep in return. Heatley is only available because he wants out, and made it public.
And let me ask you this. How come anyone who does not say exactly what you would say hasn’t done their homework? It is rather difficult to take you seriously when every comment you make simply tells the author they are stupid.
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by BReynolds on Jun 25, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Malkin
To get Malkin away from the Pens, the Wild would need to offer the following:
Cuma, Koivu, Backstrom, Burns, Sheppard, Johnsson, three or four first round picks, the keys to the X, about $40 million in cash, and possibly the entire University of Minnesota. Not the hockey team, the entire University.
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by BReynolds on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nicely written article. I don’t think we’ll end up with heatley, but I would make that trade in a heartbeat even if it means giving up Clutterbuck.
by jerem77 on Jun 25, 2009 4:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
You know, Ms. C, if you’re such a Clutterbuck fan, it shouldn’t really matter where he plays, right? If he becomes a Senator, wouldn’t you become a Senators fan?
Plus, gaborik, you’re probably right in that Heatley won’t be a member of the Wild. But to give up a center that no one in Minnesota seems to like (Sheppard), a guy who hits people (Clutterbuck) and a prospect in Cuma to get one of the game’s top goal scorers? You have to give up pieces to get something. How many goals do you think Clutterbuck will score next year? Sheppard? Heatley?
Clutterbuck is a role player and is more easily replaced than a guy like Heatley. It probably won’t happen, so there’s not likely anything to worry about, but I don’t think Clutterbuck should ever be a deal breaker in any potential trade.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 4:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better deal
thefourthperiod.com says the Kings are/were working on a package of Alexander Frolov and Jack Johnson for Heatley. I like that better than anything Minnesota can come up with (barring some combination of Koivu/Burns/Backstrom) but Bryan Murry supposedly isn’t interested in that. I don’t know what he’s smoking to want to turn that down. Maybe ask for a little more, like a pick or something, but to not be interested in those two players is a little nuts if you ask me.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 4:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Kings would so easily give up a guy like Frolov. He’s had a solid carrer in LA and the Kings are depleted at the LW position. Gaining Heatley for them would give them two extremley good LW and take some pressure off of Frolov. I agree with you however that Heatley probably wont end up in Minny, too many other teams have more to offer, even if the Sens get desperate towards the end of the month.
by JeffE on Jun 25, 2009 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might be wrong, but – and this is related to Buddha’s post just below – I don’t think LA is as enamored with Frolov for some reason. I know some Kings fans and I’d asked them about this a while back, when the Penguins were rumored to be after Frolov, and, while I can’t remember exactly what they said, it sounded like Frolov wasn’t necessarily part of their core. If only I could remember why.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Concerns"
The article I read siad Murray has “concerns” about those two players. I have no idea what those “concerns” might be, but to tell me he would rather have Shep than Frolov and Cuma than Johnson makes me question his choice in drugs as well.
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by BReynolds on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson’s possible prima donna-ness might be one. I hear he might be trying to dictate where he’ll end up. I don’t think he wants to re-sign in LA, so Murray might be trading one headache for another. As for Frolov…I just commented above that I had some Kings fans tell me not all was right with that marriage but I can’t remember why.
So, maybe valid concerns, but I guess the league prohibits GMs from talking to players and trying to sell them on the location?
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that trade in a heart beat
but I would sorely miss C-Buck. and I do think that Shep still has potential on a team that lets him do his thing on offense. not any where near what Heatley could do but certainly better then what he has shown so far. still that would be a steal of a trade for us, but we still desperately need centers, and I think that C-Buck could really thrive in Fletcher/Richards up-tempo forechecking system.
the one trade I am absolutely expecting is Harding for players/picks in this years draft. I would not be suprised if Fletcher trades down in the draft to accumulate more picks in this years draft as well. That’s what I would do any way.
the only problem with aquiring Heatley is the cap implications. we don’t have a very good surrounding cast, and Heatley would cost us the ability to go out and sign that cast. so I would ask that he renegotiate his contract as part and parcel of a trade.
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by the Real Thor on Jun 25, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The contract’s a valid concern but the CBA doesn’t allow for renegotiating.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin, the Sens are a team I just have no interest in following as closely as I’d want to follow the team Cal is on. If he must go, I’d rather he go somewhere in the West or some eastern team I have at least a little affinity for or could see myself a fan of. Sens are definitely basement dwellers in my ranking of the 30.
by ms.conduct on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is that? And I’m just curious, I’m certainly no fans of them either. ;) Is it because they’re a Canadian team and so they believe they’re entitled to everything? Is it because Alfredsson and the rest of them are just a bunch of jerks? Is it because the only likable thing about any of them is their anthem singer?
Those are some of my reasons. ;)
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those work for me. Just, what have they done? Ottawa. I mean… nothing against the city, but really, they’re sort of the Wild of Canada. Mired in mediocrity for too many years and really only mattering to anybody because they’re Canadian. And they’re not even entertainingly bad like the Leafs. They’re just… meh… I just can’t see myself giving a flying fuck about them, really under any circumstances and that includes Cal joining them.
There are few teams in the league for which I have absolutely zero knowledge or interest of some sort. Usually I like a player or a coach or, you know, even Florida has the funny rat story and we get to make fun of Russo for rattling on and on about them. Sens? Nothing. I know they had goalie issues and that they pretty much only have one scoring line. And that I don’t like their logo, colors, or any of their sweaters. Just nothing to love.
by ms.conduct on Jun 25, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on board with all of that. As for what they’ve done…not much. Made the finals a few years ago, exorcising YEARS of playoff futility, but bombed out in five. Then lost in the first round the next year.
You’re very right, not very lovable at all, so I can’t fault you for not wanting to follow Clutterbuck in Ottawa.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't this just be another single year deal?
Heatley has had a problem with his last 3 coaches. What are the odds he wears a WIld sweater for more than a year if we make this trade?
by SpaethCo on Jun 25, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Since he has a NTC, one would presumably think he’d try and get a handle on Richards before saying yea or nay.
by KiPA on Jun 25, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be over...
http://www.silversevensens.com/2009/6/25/924991/report-sens-asking-kings-for-one
Sens asking for Frolov, a player, and the fifth overall.
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by BReynolds on Jun 25, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s interesting, especially considering Hextall’s comments on Heatley the other day:
by SpaethCo on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sens should be interested in getting Cuma too because he already plays for the 67’s, and the fan base would already know him fairly well, but it just seems like other teams have more to offer and less to lose than the Wild…which sucks cause a guy like Heatley is exactly what we need.
by JeffE on Jun 25, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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