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OK, Wilderness, the Sergei Gonchar hit on Cal Clutterbuck that just won't die has reared its ugly head again. This time, in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette of all places. In a Q&A with readers, Post-Gazette writer Dave Molinari goes after Clutterbuck for his comments following the game that night.

Make the jump. Read the article. Let's discuss.

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OK, let's take a look at the question posed to Mr. Molinari:

Any idea what Cal Clutterbuck had on his mind with the obviously stupid comment and veiled threat he made toward Sergei Gonchar? Does he honestly hope to intimidate Gonchar or does he think that he will get into Gonchar's head? What he has done essentially is to insure that the refs of (the next Penguins-Wild game) will have an eagle-eye on him and that even a minor feint toward Gonchar will result in a minor, if not a major, penalty. I guess he is trying to make a name for himself but to my mind, let your play do that, not your mouth.

Fred Schuck, Birmingham, Ala.

First off, any hockey question posed from Alabama should be viewed with some scrutiny, so let's move away from that fact. Has anyone ever read a more slanted, bias filled question? In court, this would be called leading the witness. When a reporter does it, it's called choosing a question for its inflammatory value, despite likely having a thousand much better questions on the same topic.

The answer?

Clutterbuck, a blue-collar winger for Minnesota, would not be the first player to have his mouth in motion before his brain was fully in gear, as appears to have been the case in the wake of the Wild's 4-3 victory against the Penguins last week.

During that game, Gonchar -- hardly known for thuggish play -- picked up a major penalty for interference for a hit that Clutterbuck blamed for concussion-like symptoms he experienced a few days later. (Admit it: You always thought Gonchar would be the first player to get a major for hooking.)

After the game, Clutterbuck told reporters that Gonchar had "better hope he retires at the end of the year, I'll tell you that. Somebody's going to hurt him before the end of the year. Someone will. It's not going to be me, but someone will."

Gonchar, by the way, contends that he was retaliating for a late, head-high hit he had absorbed earlier from Clutterbuck and that the timing of his check on Clutterbuck was thrown off when the puck didn't get to Clutterbuck when he expected it to. Whatever the reason, it's worth noting that the league office, after reviewing the incident, did not see fit to fine, let alone suspend, Gonchar.

Clutterbuck is in the league because of his physical play and has earned a reputation for taking bad penalties, which makes his threat to Gonchar's well-being (even though he says he won't be the player to injure him) all the more interesting. Certainly, the next time the two share a slab of ice -- if Gonchar is even thinking about retiring after this season, Clutterbuck apparently is the only guy in the world who knows it -- the officials should be paying particular attention to anything remotely illegal that Clutterbuck does to Gonchar.

It's one thing to contemplate revenge for a cheap shot, real or perceived. It's quite another to suggest to the world months in advance that if it happens, it was completely premeditated. Fortunately for Clutterbuck, at least in this case, NHL regulations didn't allow for him to be assessed a stupidity major.

Here we go, folks. Let's do this, as Russo would say, frog dissection style.

Clutterbuck, a blue-collar winger for Minnesota, would not be the first player to have his mouth in motion before his brain was fully in gear, as appears to have been the case in the wake of the Wild's 4-3 victory against the Penguins last week.

Nice. Good start. Within the first line of the answer from an "objective" reporter, he has already called Clutterbuck stupid.

During that game, Gonchar -- hardly known for thuggish play -- picked up a major penalty for interference for a hit that Clutterbuck blamed for concussion-like symptoms he experienced a few days later. (Admit it: You always thought Gonchar would be the first player to get a major for hooking.)

OK... this is fairly innocuous.

Gonchar, by the way, contends that he was retaliating for a late, head-high hit he had absorbed earlier from Clutterbuck...

Indeed, Gonchar did claim that, but the video evidence shows otherwise, and you would think a reporter would be willing to accept fact, rather than report a player's opinion as fact.

and that the timing of his check on Clutterbuck was thrown off when the puck didn't get to Clutterbuck when he expected it to.

So, he made a bad hit. The puck was no where near Clutterbuck. Didn't get to him? It wasn't even coming toward him.

Whatever the reason, it's worth noting that the league office, after reviewing the incident, did not see fit to fine, let alone suspend, Gonchar.

Yes, because Colin Campbell is a moron, and the NHL's discipline system is broken at best, and tainted at worst.

Clutterbuck is in the league because of his physical play and has earned a reputation for taking bad penalties, which makes his threat to Gonchar's well-being (even though he says he won't be the player to injure him) all the more interesting.

Where has Clutterbuck earned said reputation for taking bad penalties? He had 76 PIMs in 78 games last season. He has 20 PIMs in 42 games this season. Bad penalties? Such as? Please, elaborate.

Certainly, the next time the two share a slab of ice -- if Gonchar is even thinking about retiring after this season, Clutterbuck apparently is the only guy in the world who knows it -- the officials should be paying particular attention to anything remotely illegal that Clutterbuck does to Gonchar.

I would hope the refs would call anything illegal Clutterbuck does to anyone on the ice. You know, because its their job. I would also think that the refs are not as stupid as your argument makes them out to be. Despite what Campbell says, Gonchar soiled his reputation with the hit on Clutterbuck. Refs will be watching him more closely as well. If another hit like this happens, Gonchar cannot claim "good citizen" status again.

It's one thing to contemplate revenge for a cheap shot, real or perceived. It's quite another to suggest to the world months in advance that if it happens, it was completely premeditated.

This is fair. The comments by Cal were not bright, and I said that the night he said them, and several times since. However, they came in the heat of the moment. No matter the words, the sentiment is there. The Wild players will be looking for retribution. Call it "The Code" or whatever you want, but Gonchar will have to answer for the hit.

 

Fortunately for Clutterbuck, at least in this case, NHL regulations didn't allow for him to be assessed a stupidity major.

And fortunately for you, sir, you cannot be given a major penalty for one of the most homeristic, non-objective, easy to pick apart arguments ever made by a reporter. If you want to work for the Penguins PR department, call them. If you want to work for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, you may want to try to actually report the facts.

What say you Wilderness?

-Buddha.

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I looked at the video of the cheap shot again and at the very end of the clip, when it shows the hit Clutterbuck put on Gonchar, you can see a ref 5 feet away looking right at them. That alone should lead people to believe that Cal’s hit wasn’t dirty, or illegal so that excuse is ridiculous. The author of the article obviously didn’t see the hit nor does he know anything about any player not on the Penguins roster. Just a homer who probably IS trying to get a job in the PR office…

by HeDidWhat? on Jan 18, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great one Buddha.

Love it. Well said. Ditto. Etc, etc, etc.

Look, the other teams in the league view Cal as a threat, they’ll hate him like Green Bay fans hate Favre. It’s just that simple. This guy, this so-called “reporter”, is no different than most other press in that he’s biased. Go figure.

It was a cheap shot by Gonchar, and if he suits up against Clutterbuck ever again, he’s going to have to pound the Motrin IB afterwards. Cal’s comments weren’t the smartest, but he’s not dirty. That’s the code and that’s the way it’s been since Lord Stanley’s Cup was first hoisted. Payback is a biatch.

by Jolonco on Jan 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Blahblahblah

You say it won’t die, then you make yet another post on it after something else. You’re as guilty of not letting it die as Molinari. Move on.

The stats you cited for PIMs that Clutterbuck takes doesn’t tell if it’s stupid penalties that he takes. He didn’t say Clutterbuck takes a lot of penalties, just the ones he takes are dumb.

The stupidity major – You can’t say things like Clutterbuck did. That was stupid. That’s what he’s talking about with both that and the opening line.

“if he suits up against Clutterbuck ever again, he’s going to have to pound the Motrin IB afterwards”

So you agree that Clutterbuck is going to intentionally target Gonchar next time they play? So Clutterbuck is right when he says someone’s going to get Gonchar?

Get over yourselves.

by KiPA on Jan 18, 2010 2:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He did say stupid penalties, but he does not clarify as to what constitutes a stupid penalty. I watch 82 Wild games a year + preseason, and lord hoping, post season. I have yet to see him take a stupid penalty. Other than the kind where he takes a hook in the offensive zone, but I have a feeling that’s not what Molinari was referring to. I would ask him, but there is no comment section on his post, and no email to contact him at.

I didn’t make the Motrin crack, so I won’t attempt to defend it. Clutterbuck is not stupid enough to go out and target Gonchar. Though my guess is that one of the boys is going to want Gonch to answer the bell. Whether that is right or wrong, or whether Gonch will answer is another story. But you can bet that someone is going to want to fight him. Drop the mitts, and the issue is settled. Don’t, and it stews.

The stupidity major is directly related to the comments, but the way it reads to me, he is aiming it at Clutterbuck directly, not the comments.

by BReynolds on Jan 18, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I also was not accusing Molinari of not letting it die. I was just saying that the issue won’t die. Stating a fact. Still articles being put out about it, so yeah, I am going to comment. Most of them are the same article being put out on every blog on the planet. This one struck me as inflammatory, so I went with it.

by BReynolds on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One last thing

This is the price of employing an agitator like Clutterbuck, or Matt Cooke, or Jarkko Ruutu. Learn to live with it.

by KiPA on Jan 18, 2010 3:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

KiPA, you're the Dumbest SOB....

to Come along since Jarko Ruutu and Matt Cooke. First off, if your going to lump Clutterbuck in with those two, you are very uneducated. Ruutu and Cooke are CHEAP, Dirty players who cease to amaze with their stupidity. They Belong with Avery in terms of agitator. Can some of Clutterbucks hits be construed as cheap, maybe. but he hasn’t been head hunting to ‘pay back’ another player for a ‘non’ call that he thought was late or high or whatever the reason. Bottom line is the Refs didn’t call a penalty (which is another topic) on a hit, so be the ‘good citizen’ you are and let it go. no, Gonchar Choose to go into the corner where Clutterbuck was, he Choose to hit Clutterbuck even tho he could see that the puck wasn’t to Clutterbuck yet. And Gonchar Choose to make a hit to Clutterbucks head. And Comming out and stating ‘I was paying him back’? thats almost as bad as saying ‘I will get you next time’. except for the fact you are admitting that you intentionally went back after him, and did injure him.

Second- your probably the same person who would defend an Elbow thrown last year by Malkin that landed a Dallas Star on IR? So why should we take any comment on a situation (that is clear as day)From a Pittsburgh fan?

I dont condone what Clutterbuck Said, in fact I hate what he said. but fact remains that Gonchar Elbowed Clutterbuck and should have received a match penalty for intent to injure. Just b/c Colin Campbell didn’t punish Gonchar Doesnt mean that he didnt deserve it.

by wild32384 on Jan 18, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

They’re the same basic type of player. Physical, talkative. However, yes, Cooke and Ruutu are cheaper and dirtier. But they play the same role.

Gonchar should’ve been suspended. It was a bad hit, and making it worse was he targeted Clutterbuck. It wasn’t really during the run of play. Initially I thought he planned to hit Clutterbuck once he got the puck. Then the puck didn’t get there, but I changed my mind once I saw the replay.

By the way, should I start attacking Russo every time he has an opinion that supports the Wild as being a homer? Molinari had an opinion, no one here agrees with him, so naturally you all label him a homer.

by KiPA on Jan 18, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Attack Russo if he ignores the facts. I like to think that I would do the same. If Russo uses Campbell’s logic (or lack thereof) then yes, attack him. Molinari’s job is to report the facts. He ignored the facts in this case. He used Gonchar’s justification as a fact. He sated it as such by saying, "Gonchar, by the way, contends that he was retaliating for a late, head-high hit he had absorbed earlier from Clutterbuck and that the timing of his check on Clutterbuck was thrown off when the puck didn’t get to Clutterbuck when he expected it to, " and not putting some kind of phrase like, “despite what the evidence shows.”

It is not just the fact that he has an opinion I don’t like. I don’t like a lot of people’s opinions. Molinari got the “homer” label because he is supposed to be objective, and he wasn’t. I wouldn’t even so much mind his comments about Clutterbuck, but to defend the hit is homeristic, short sighted, and highly biased. No one outside Pittsburgh has defended the hit… well, except the NHL.

I read that you believe he should have been suspended. You, my friend, are in the minority for your neck of the woods. You, and Frank D from PensBurgh are about the only two I have seen that are not trying to defend it.

Reporters need to at least feign objectivity. I could even handle Molinari issuing his comments if he would come out and admit that he is biased. At least then he is not presenting them under the guise of an objective observer.

Back to Russo. If you can find me a time he went this far into home team biased comment, I would be very shocked.

by BReynolds on Jan 18, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Name-calling is an awesome way to begin a counterargument. I didn’t actually even read your post past the second sentence. I’m sure you made some good points though.

by KiPA on Jan 18, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. The name calling is not necessary. I consider KiPA a friend. Open, honest disagreement is good. He and I disagree all the time. We debate, and we can be civil about it. Please, bring the same level to this forum.

by BReynolds on Jan 18, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

put this in perspective

Clutterbuck is a 22 year old kid who had just taken a shot to the head. He was probably a little riled up. Did you see the interview with Clutterbuck? He was very matter of fact. Not hostile and threatening the way the printed words can read. If Gonchar keeps hitting people like that – someone is going to hurt him. If he had hit a superstar that way – half the team would have gone after him.

Looks like Dave Molinari is trying to stir up his readers by offering a very slanted view. Clutterbuck hits clean. He is dynamic on the ice and brings a certain energy to the team and the fans. The roar at the X when Clutterbuck gets a good hit is amazing. I hope the Wild continue to employ an “agitator like Clutterbuck!”

by minnesotagirl71 on Jan 18, 2010 3:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

Agitators are great to have on your team and a pain in the behind when they’re on someone else’s team. Clutterbuck is very good at what he does, as evidenced by Gonchar, a level-headed veteran, to lose his mind and go after him.

Gonchar isn’t going to “keep hitting people like that” because that’s not what he does. That’s probably the first questionable hit he’s ever thrown. Well, maybe not, but they are very few and far between. Hell, he used to never initiate any kind of body contact.

If you ask me, really, Clutterbuck, not Gonchar, is the one with the target on his back, someone who someone else is going to “get.” Why? Because of the style Clutterbuck plays. Gonchar demonstrated that too. Clutterbuck pisses people off, which is his job, and he gets people off their game and focus more on getting revenge on him rather than playing their game.

Clutterbuck is one of the best at what he does, which is be an agitator and be a pest.

by KiPA on Jan 18, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Clutterbuck knows...

Clutterbuck knows he has a target on his back and he’s never complained about being targeted by the other teams. Half the time they come after him and he SMILES at them – it’s fabulous! But – he hit Gonchar cleanly and Gonchar came back with a dirty, dangerous hit.

When will this “level headed veteran” “lose his mind” and go after someone else? Or Clutterbuck again? Because I would guess that the next time the Wild play the Penguins, if Clutterbuck has an opportunity to score another clean hit on Gonchar – he will.

by minnesotagirl71 on Jan 18, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree here as well.

Clutter is always going to have a target on his back, and on his head. He needs to know that being an agitator brings that.

Getting a vet like Gonchar to snap is the ultimate prize for a player in Clutter’s role. My feelings on Gonchar are well known. I like him. I like his play. This hit was dirty, and the league should have suspended him, and suspended 100 other guys for making the same hit.

My beef is not with Gonchar, but the league, and the people who seem to want to defend the hit as being OK because it was on Clutterbuck.

by BReynolds on Jan 18, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree,

I like Gonchar, always have, I have a problem with the League, and more importantly, Colin Campbell. And when a player “snaps” its never a good thing, and they need to be held accountable for EVERYTHING they do when on Ice. There is always a first time.

by wild32384 on Jan 22, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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