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From My Mom's Basement: Women and Sports

From My Mom's Basement will be a weekly to semi-weekly column exploring an issue burning the minds of fans across the NHL. It may or may not be Wild related, but it will likely contain strong opinion and more than one man's fair share of dripping, bitter sarcasm. Clearly, a blogger can only get away with such bitterness from their mother's basement, right? We hope you enjoy it.

Ah yes, the ever popular topic of women and sports. From the "scientific" studies that show only men enjoy sports, to the idiotic happenings in the New York Jets locker room, to the constant need of some men to be shocked that a woman knows something about sports. It has reached the point of ridiculousness in every sense.

Everyone who played, plays, or watches hockey knows that one of the most important people in the world is the hockey mom. Why do you think your favorite player has an NHL career? Because his dad tied his skates, and because mom remembered to bring the skates in the first place.

Make the jump and help me figure out just where all of this goes wrong.

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To be honest, I only enjoy one women's sport. Hockey. All of the other sports are boring, hard to watch, and make me want to find the shortest pier around so I can take a long walk. To be certain however, it is not because of the women playing the sport as much as it is the sport itself. I am not an old man, but as I have learned recently, I am no longer a young man either. I have seen some women that could school professional level male athletes. I have witnessed, first hand, that women are not only equal to men, but in many cases, superior to them.

Couple this eye witness account with being raised by a strong willed mother (the same generous woman allowing this to be written from her wonderful basement), and you have an author that flat out does not understand the incessant need for certain men to make us all look stupid.

You see, I hear it from at least one woman I know at least once a week. It always has something to do with a man either telling women they have no place on the field, have no place in the press box, or have no knowledge of the game.

Obviously, Caity Kauffman is not the PR guru for the Junior Everblades, she must just be another "puck bunny," right? Obviously, Sarah Spain doesn't really know anything about... well... every sport in Earth, she clearly became one of the must-follow Chicago sports reporter because of her car commercials, right? Our very own Monica McAlister cannot possibly have any knowledge of the game from growing up near Detroit and watching the Wings, then moving to DC and watching the Caps, right? As we all know, the Wings thing likely only destroyed any knowledge of hockey, but watching the Caps can only have helped.  Ms. Conduct did not become my go-to for everything Aeros because she developed a passion and knowledge of the game by playing it and watching countless hours of games. It can only be that she is the go-to for Aeros coverage because she is obsessed with Barry Brust, right? Oh. Wait. Bad example.

The point here is, that there are still men out there that assume Caity is with the Everblades, that Sarah has access to all sports Chicago, and that Heather has access to the Aeros only because they are attractive. To this subset of men, women are incapable of any knowledge of the sport they cover (or play) simply because they do not have exterior genitalia.

Here is my take. Women fly combat missions in fighter jets and helicopters. They join up and become Marines. Women hold advanced degrees in every field from astrophysics to geological engineering. What makes these men think that if women possess the physical strength and ability to join one of the most lethal fighting forces on the planet, or the intelligence necessary to unlock the secrets of the universe, that they cannot understand the game of hockey?

I give more than my fair share of grief to the wonderful women listed above. To be sure, these women have more knowledge in their little toes than I do in my entire body. Them, along with the women I follow on Twitter, interact with here on Hockey Wilderness, and talk to face-to-face everyday of my life all make up a group of people I rely on for vital information required to do my job. Without the women I know that cover and play sports, my ability to bring the Wilderness somewhat intelligible and mildly entertaining posts would be severely limited.

As with any debate, I have to over simplify to make it fit in the space allotted. However, this is a pretty simple debate. Anyone who thinks women lack the ability to play sports, or to have a vast knowledge of the games, is an idiot. The only question remaining to answer is this: Why am I never around when men make these types of comments so I can pull their shirt over their head and settle the debate in a "hockey way?"

Thank you to the women who play sports, especially hockey, to the women who cover sports, and to the women who have to deal with stupid, stupid men everyday of their lives. Keep in mind these men have a pretty good excuse for being stupid. They are men. Wait... what?

My mom is yelling upstairs. I better go see what she needs. Until next time.

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Women can flat out play... and they certainly know the game.

Now, on average, the typical guy probably knows a little bit more about sports than the typical woman. That is simply down to the culturalization of boys and sports. Women are every bit as capable of enjoying, understanding, and excelling at sports as any man.

If my daughter, and soon to be daughters, want to pursue sports, work in sporting fields, whatever, I’m pretty certain they will be awesome. They probably won’t even need Dad to put any naysayers into the wall… that probably won’t stop me, but still…

On a side note, a WNBA game is a great family sports outing. The crowds are more friendly. The language isn’t atrocious. The women play a very good, team game. Basketball is far from my favorite sport, but as a live sporting event, it’s great place to have fun with the family, and watch some pretty good athletes.

by Krotz the Wall on Oct 4, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Thankfully, not all men are that ignorant regarding women and sports. I can talk hockey with women and men, at the same time, I know women who don’t “get” sports (not many) and men who are intimidated if you do know something!! My opinion (as a woman) is accepted, especially since I know what I’m talking about!
I don’t watch ANY women’s sports as I find it boring and I’m not a sports fan-just a hockey fan.
Unfortunately, some women make it harder for other women by acting like bimbo’s, and reinforcing the stereotype

by Givinchy on Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I grew up

in a family that was sports obsessed. My dad works at the X, so I gained my hockey knowledge from him and going to Wild games. I have two older brothers who played baseball and football when they were growing up. I would go to almost every single one of their games and learned a lot from watching them play.

 That is how I got into sports as much as I have. I have always been around sports and I enjoy watching them and discussing them with others. I actually don’t mind being the only girl I know who like sports. In fact, I know a lot more about the Twins and Wild than either one of my brothers, even though they are pretty big fans. I am pretty proud of that.

When I was getting ready to graduate from high school two years ago, I actually wanted to go into sports broadcasting. After researching it a little more and finding out job outcomes and schools that offer sports broadcasting, I decided not to pursue it. But that does not mean my passion for sports is any less. It’s probably became even higher because of that.

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by taralynn09 on Oct 4, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

My opinion tends to be accepted – or at least to my face it is. I did have a guy at Dick’s ask me a few weeks ago “Why are you getting a Filppula (pronouced wrong of course) shirt? Why not Zetterberg or Datsyuk? That’s what all the other girls get.” sigh Yes Zetterberg is good looking and a great player. Datsyuk is a great player. Filppula IS A GREAT PLAYER. The first part didn’t bother me with him asking why Filppula it was when he threw in the “that’s what all the other girls get” that irked me a bit.

I had a professor refer to me as “hockey girl” (I realize that sounds a little strange for a university classroom; however, it was my Sports Ethics class) and would take my views first on any hockey related ethical questions. It didn’t bother me because called hockey girl even though I knew if I was a guy I wouldn’t have been called “hockey guy” but I can see how many would get offended. I grew up being “just one of the guys” and don’t take offense to that name – but I have also on rare occasions had the “oh you’re a girl” issues come up.

That is actually why my name on here is MMcAlister – not Monica – though you all know now (but did you back when I was just posting comments?) Doesn’t that kind of show how little really has changed when someone feels that showing their name will automatically discredit them (goes for ethic names as well as gender).

By the way I still have my midterm Sports Ethics midterm paper written about the ethical dilemmas in the movie The Mighty Ducks. Maybe some day I’ll share it. haha.

by MMcAlister on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Please share the Mighty Ducks paper!

it sounds epic! Haha

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by ADN on Oct 4, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not gonna lie, I definitely searched for the “like” button for a few seconds before remembering this isn’t facebook. Not much to add, you pretty much nailed it. I approve. :p

by shleske on Oct 4, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

There is a “like” button at the top of the post. We are fully integrated. ;-)

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by BReynolds on Oct 4, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Filppula IS A GREAT PLAYER. The first part didn’t bother me with him asking why Filppula it was when he threw in the "that’s what all the other girls get" that irked me a bit.

Filppula is also a pretty man, so it also shows that the guy you talked to doesn’t know shit about the Red Wings.

Not saying that (former Finnish model) Filppula’s looks had anything to do with your decision to buy a shirt with his name on it because, you’re right, he is a great player, just that he’s a pretty, pretty man.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 4, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Vallu is good looking – but I don’t think his looks should take away from his skill level. Sticking with my hometown Red Wings – Johan Franzen is a great player as well and very popular with the fans here – not attractive at all in my book – does that make him a worse player? No.

by MMcAlister on Oct 4, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Male Model

I had never heard of Valtteri being a model before so I just went and used my seceret source Google and all I can find is that Ilari was a model.

Yes I will admit that both of the FIlppula brothers are good looking – they are both talented hockey players. Ilari was SM-liiga MVP last year and will be making his North America debut playing in the AHL this year.

by MMcAlister on Oct 4, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

George Malik

Was pretty impressed with Ilari. I only saw one game where he was involved & he seemed to be a hard worker. I’m rooting for him.

Back on the topic at hand, I don’t begrudge female fans who both know the game AND want to discuss how attractive the players are. I haven’t met any guys who automatically treat female fans like airhead puck bunnies, but I know they’re out there. Fortunately, I believe that guys who hold this attitude aren’t very capable of hiding their misogyny and will show their worthless douchebaggery in very telling ways. I’d say a good majority of them know hockey just as well as they accuse all women of knowing hockey.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it weren’t for women athletes, I probably wouldn’t be the sports chick I am today. (And we have the reverse in my house…my sis and I are the sports nuts; the men in my house, well, not so much…)

I got my start in sports watching slalem ski racing (which is actually more fun to do than it is to watch), and did it myself until I got sick and couldn’t do ski like I used to anymore. And Picabo Street will always be my role model.

And I went from there to hockey and football and baseball and NASCAR (the last one is much to the amusement of my entire family).

I can’t imagine life without sports and I love that I learn something new about at least one of the sports I love every day.

And today, I’m excited because the Wild finally won, so I get to write a hockey blog post.

by brigid22 on Oct 4, 2010 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn fine post sir.

It always sickens me to see women looked down upon by men. Men have caused the majority of all problems in the world. There’s like 5 girls for every guy at the university here, and it’s not for nothing. As for sport smarts, I haven’t met many around here, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist, and well I know a couple.

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by JSLandry on Oct 4, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm sorry

but is this a double-standard or what? Seems every time there’s a good post about how barbaric it is that there’s (what I believe to be a minority) of men who still hold caveman ideas about women when it comes to intelligence, that there’s some misandrist who comes along with a “men cause all the worlds problems” and even throws in a back-handed jab about women being smarter.

THIS is the exact same attitude we’re railing against here, except it’s tacitly accepted.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

P.S JS is a guy

Not sure if misandrist is the perfect term for this one, sexy, sexy man…

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by danccchan on Oct 5, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well fine then, but there isn’t really a good term for “white guilt” as it comes to gender relations.

Nothing in the definition of misandrist or misogynist say that the person with the problem has to be one gender or another.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying

I really do. No gender is better than the other. Men should not be viewed as being the problem gender as much as females should be viewed weaker.

But lets be honest, in the conversations I hear from my school peers, men can be quite degrading for no good reason. I, myself, try to steer myself away from talking like “I’d tap that if she had a bag over her face” which seems to be quite a norm where I am (which is college…)

Also, J.S never mentioned females being smarter than males. However, I do see your point, and its a view that should be reality, but it just isn’t in this world…

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by danccchan on Oct 5, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

And to expand

There is NEVER an easy answer. Some people will try to find a sole cause to a problem, but there just never is. Its always a two-sided story.

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by danccchan on Oct 5, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry if it seemed like a double standard, or me being a misandrist or whatever

But prove me wrong… I bet you can’t.

I agree 100% with the point Bryan was going for.

And yes, I am a guy.. not sure if I’m a sexy, sexy man though!

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by JSLandry on Oct 5, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course I can't prove you wrong

You can’t prove yourself right either. The entirety of human history is made up of so many individual interactions which will shape a person that boiling it down to his or her gender as a cause of anything oversimplifies to a dangerous degree.

The best you can argue is that the majority of violent crimes are committed by men, but even that falls victim to blaming it simply on a gender (and is as even-handed as saying that a majority of crimes are committed by minorities, therefore minorities must be the problem) . The argument oversimplifies to the point of being offensive.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me be perfectly clear

I did not mean to offend anyone, at all. We were talking about sports, and I generalized it. I’m sorry, but I still stand by what I said.

Like in sports, you don’t see women breaking windows and flipping over police cars during victory riots, and women are very rarely going to annoy you while you’re watching a game. Female fans will also rarely say dumb, senseless crap in various forums. I’m just saying men shouldn’t be looking down on women, ever.

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by JSLandry on Oct 5, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m just saying men shouldn’t be looking down on women, ever.

This statement was never in question and is absolutely 100% correct. It’s the rest of the crap about how men don’t have the right to look down on women because they’re worse than women which, if you do correct your original statement (“Men have caused the majority of all problems in the world.” – which does not sound like it is meant to pertain solely to the world of sports), is probably right. In the world of sports, where men make up a majority of the fans, men have caused the majority of all the problems.

Female fans will also rarely say dumb, senseless crap in various forums.

If women and men are equal in the world of sports (and they are), then it would stand to reason that female fans would say dumb, senseless crap in various forums with the same frequency as men. I’ve found this to be mostly true. Just like how you shouldn’t automatically avoid treating any sports fan like an idiot once you’ve found out that they’re an idiot, you shouldn’t treat a female idiot sports fan like she’s not an idiot just because she’s a female. Women can fly fighter jets and unlock the mathematical secrets of the universe, they’re strong enough to hear that they’re stupid if they think Derek Boogaard is worth a $6.6M contract.

I think in the overall concept of treating women and men sports fans equally, if you have to put down men in order to help women feel equal, then you don’t already consider women to be on equal footing.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

O.K. so I'm the only one to blame because I said it a bit more provocatively? O.K., gotcha.

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by JSLandry on Oct 5, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

I’d be more amenable to this martyrdom if I knew how exactly you’ve just been martyred.

It’s not that you worded a good concept incorrectly, it’s that you took a good concept and added a bad concept to it.

Women deserve equality in treatment because they’re equal, not because men don’t deserve to be superior.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well you're acting like I'm the only one putting men down.

I agree with you that women are equal in every way to men, if not superior.

Seriously, I think they are superior, stronger, more mature than men, is there anything wrong with that?

Don’t attack my opinion just because it’s a bit harder to handle. Maybe it’s just me listening to too many guys like George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Bill Maher, but I believe these guys are absolutely dead-on with most of what they say.

Again, I don’t mean to offend you or anyone else, just trying to make a point, like everyone who said anything here.

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by JSLandry on Oct 5, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, well therein lies the problem

You ARE a misandrist then. You could have said that from the start.

I don’t think women are superior to men. I don’t believe one gender is superior to another. That’s too short a logical leap between “women are superior to men” and “whites are superior to blacks.” It just seems as though one of those attitudes is more socially acceptable than another, despite their similarities.

It seems as though there is a fundamental difference here that cannot be resolved. I’ll drop the discussion.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine, call me whatever the fuck you want

Your argument about the leap between Men vs. Women and Whites Vs. Blacks is apples and oranges.

I guess it is best that we drop this.

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by JSLandry on Oct 5, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love a woman who knows....

ANYTHING about sports. (and obviously, A smart person in general).

I have met plenty of people, Men and Women, Who are clueless when it comes to certain sports. More so when it comes to hockey. I think the main thing Women miss or don’t understand about hockey, is its a game of intimidation. Like why they fight, and push and shove after a whistle, its all about here is the size of my stones, how big are yours? I think that is the only thing I have scene to where people dont understand the sport.

But like I said, I love a woman who knows Sports!

by wild32384 on Oct 4, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

The future of women's sports....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZcSEE7TuGU

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by danccchan on Oct 5, 2010 2:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Couldn’t stop laughing for 2 minutes after seeing an actual game being televised on my television.

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by danccchan on Oct 5, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

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