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Who is that masked man? Don't ask Hockey's Future.

 

Hockey's Future is often thrust upon me as "the place to go" for prospect updates and information. In past writing lives, to contradict HF was to invite criticism and mocking, even if that analysis turned out to be correct, while HF once again fell on its proverbial face.

Look, I get it. Hockey's Future is a source for information, but let's keep in mind that a source is only as good as its writers, and HF tends to lack in that department. Sure, our own CircularTheory and reader GopherState both came from HFBoards, and CT still maintains a Wild prospect tracker on said boards. There are certainly some knowledgeable people over there, even if they are mixed in with the constant "let's trade Burns for Sidney Crosby" crowd. The knowledgeable people on HF are few and far between, and none of them are on the writing staff.

Make the jump, and let's put this to rest, shall we?

Star-divide

What's your problem with Hockey's Future, man?

I don't have screen shots to prove my point, but the main beef I have with HF is the prospect rankings. Every year, whoever the Wild take in the first round automatically becomes the top prospect. This year is no different, with Mikael Granlund taking the top spot, while Nick Leddy leaves to make his residence on the Chicago board. No doubt Leddy would have been #2 on the list.

As it sits, somehow they have Marco Scandella ranked above Tyler Cuma, and have thus never seen either of them actually play.

I digress. Their ranking sucks. Let's move on to the their current posts about the Wild, shall we? First, they rank the Wild 26th as an organization:

Strengths: As a result of picking defensemen and two-way forwards with their top picks in recent years, skilled Finnish forward Mikael Granlund is the first top offensive prospect to join the organization since the early 2000s. Outside of Granlund, newly-signed Casey Wellman and two-way forwards Colton Gillies and Cody Almond have shown NHL potential. Marco Scandella and Tyler Cuma are both talented blueliners that should be joining the Wild sooner rather than later.

Weaknesses: Outside of Granlund, the forward prospect pool is lacking in offensive ability. The blue line group is lackluster, devoid of depth and top-end talent. The team is in dire need of prospects on the right wing. There is no bona fide goaltending starter in the system, nor much depth.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Mikael Granlund, C, 2. Marco Scandella, D, 3. Tyler Cuma, D, 4. Colton Gillies, LW, 5. Matt Hackett, G.

Twenty sixth? Because the teams ahead of them up to 21 look so much better in terms of prospects? Doubtful. Not that 21st is any better than being 26th, and someone has to go in each spot, but damn.The Thrashers have Patrice Cormier listed as their third top prospect. What's he going to help them with? Meeting a quota of felony assault charges?

One big problem with this particular article? The lack of mention of any of the guys like Joel Broda, Nate Prosser, Jason Zucker, Erik Haula, etc. Colton Gillies is far from the fourth best prospect at forward, let alone in the organization.

The biggest issue? This line: "There is no bona fide goaltending starter in the system, nor much depth." Indeed. Because every other goaltending prospect out there is a bona fide starter, right? I know Jack Campbell is the top goalie prospect in the league right now. You going to risk your reputation that is is a guaranteed starter in the NHL? I wouldn't.

As for the "nor much depth," I can't help but laugh at this. Khudobin has shown he can play in the NHL, Matthew Hackett is doing just fine in Houston, Darcy Kuemper is tearing up the junior league right now, and Dennis Endras is playing well in Germany. How many players constitute "depth?" Would five prospects be better than four? How many guys do they need before this becomes a strength?

Now wait a minute, that was a post by the HF Staff. Maybe they don't have the ins and outs of the Wild down. Their Wild writer would know better.

Fine. Let's look at their Wild writer, shall we? Today, the Wild are the featured team for the Fall Prospect Review.

First, the intro is killer. Some prime examples:

Though the Wild moved to address its weak pool along the wings, outside of Mikael Granlund, there is still a lack of blue-chip prospects at forward.

 

The goaltending prospects are progressing pretty well, and represent the area of least concern.

So, there is no depth at the goaltending position, but it is an area that represents the area of least concern. Check. But wait... what the hell does Mikael Granlund have to do with wings? Does he like to eat them as an appetizer? My information says Granlund is a center, played (and plays) center, and was drafted as... a center.

Moving on, we find a position by position break down of the Wild prospects. We start with Left Wing.

2007 first round pick Colton Gillies is still the top Wild prospect at this position (despite playing a bit of center this season) and he remains stuck in the same limbo where's he's been most of his career. Gillies has the offensive tools to contribute more, but has to make the most of his chances whether he's with Houston or St. Paul. Petr Kalus and Matt Kassian continue to muck it up with the Aeros. Kalus is contributing some of the offense he proved quite capable of as a junior, and Kassian is a pretty decent fighter at least.

Gillies is the top Left Wing in the organization? Really? And you are still mentioning Petrr Kalus as a viable option? He is a career AHLer at best, and will likely never see any amount of extended time in the NHL. He shouldn't be on the list at all. Back to Gillies. He is a third line checker at top end. He is another in a line of poor draft picks by HWSRN, and with all due respect, is never going to be much of anything.

Not until the third paragraph does the author mention Erik Haula or Jason Zucker. Both players are contributing to their respective powerhouse college programs in their freshman years. That counts for more than it used to, and should start to mean more to HF if they mean to remain relevant. Either one of these players are much better prospect than Gillies.

At center we have this:

First rounder Mikael Granlund continues to put up points for HIFK of the SM-Liiga, but some suggest he is struggling since being moved from wing to center. He's good all over the ice, but with more teams keying on him this season, the points won't come as easily.

The Aeros aren't really strong down the middle with great two-way guys, but have a few players capable of fulfilling limited roles. Capitals castoff Joel Broda and collegiate standout Casey Wellman can be counted on to score. Wellman in particular will see NHL time this season. Cody Almond is a very promising checking line player. Chad Rau looks like a career AHLer at this point, but he is a solid contributor.

Now we have Granlund in with the centers, but we are told he was moved from wing to center this season. Really unsure where that is coming from. Also, who is this "some" suggest that he is struggling? How about a source, or a link, or a name? "Some suggest" is generally a cop out for the author wanting to criticize but not wanting to be on the hook if they are wrong. "Some suggest" this is a really crappy way to make an argument.

Cody Almond is still young, and has shown an ability play in what ever position and whatever line they put him on. Consistent time with top level wingers could show just how wrong the assessment above is. Even so, if being a check is Almond's future, the Wild could always use another Kyle Brodziak.

Broda and Wellman can be counted on to score. In an organization that lacks scorers, one would think that alone would rank them higher than Colton Gillies, but hey, "some suggest" scoring is overrated.

At Right Wing we get:

The right side is still an area of concern depth-wise for the Wild. The team drafted Brett Bulmer in the second round of 2010, in a pick some felt was a bit of a reach. The lanky Bulmer has put up a few points for Kelowna, but everyone would like to see more physicality from him, as well as consistent mental engagement.

Ah yes "some felt" Bulmer was a reach. Again... who? Please, stop with the "some" as your sources.

The author goes on to mention that Carson McMillan and Jarrod Palmer are solid prospects, but does not repeal the "area of concern" tag assigned to this position. Here again, there are three solid prospects. How many more would you like?

With defenders, the complete lack of ability to take a stand is embarrassing. For a website that bills itself as the go-to place for prospect information, shouldn't they be willing to step up and call it as it is?


Marco Scandella and Tyler Cuma are both 2008 draftees and are being developed on somewhat of a parallel track. First-rounder Cuma has a smoother game, and this year will be of obvious importance in seeing whether he can get back on track to his top-two potential. Scandella is the grittier player, and transitioned well in a brief stint with the Aeros last year.

Kyle Medvec hasn't yet tallied a point to start his senior year at the University of Vermont, but was a contributor from the blue line last year. He has the size of a professional defender for certain.

Granted, the author does give some minor credit to Justin Falk in the paragraphs preceding this section, and he does call out the Aeros d-men for being soft offensively, but come on. Scandella and Cuma are defensive partners, so obviously someone feels they complement the other's style. Cuma is more of a Brent Burns type guy, while Scandella is more of a Justin Falk type guy. Which of those two would you bill as a better prospect? Better question: You want another Brent Burns, or another Justin Falk?

The line about Medvec is just irritating. Medvec is a joke. He has done nothing in his college career, is a giant pylon, and is afraid to use the one gift he was given, his size. How he can be listed as a "contributor" boggles the mind.

Goaltending. Ah yes, the Wild's lack of depth at goaltending will haunt them for years, right? Let's take a look at what the Wild writer for Hockey's Future had to say about the goaltending:

The Wild spent a high draft pick on Matt Hackett (third round, 77th overall) in 2009 and he is progressing pretty well in his first professional season, despite not getting much goal support yet. Incumbent starter Anton Khudobin looked to be the backup for the Wild to start the season, before the club rescued Jose Theodore from free agency to provide occasional support for Nicklas Backstrom. Khudobin doesn't always have the numbers to prove it, but has been a reliable goaltender at every level.

Fellow 2009 draftee Darcy Kuemper (6th round) went back to Red Deer where he is playing very well for the Rebels. Keeping Kuemper in the WHL provides armchair GMs with an excellent test case as to goaltender development strategy.

Finally, Swede Johan Gustafsson rounds out the goaltending prospects. He has good size and ability, and has put up great tournament numbers. Similar to Johan Larsson, Gustafsson's performance at the World U-18s in 2010 seemed to grab the attention of the Wild's European scouts. Gustafsson seems to struggle with promotion a bit, but his numbers are very good at the Allsvenskan level this year.

I include the entire section here to make it clear that one name is glaringly missing from it. Oh, dear HF Wild writer... have you by chance missed the top prospect at the position in the entire organization? If you don't know who I am talking about, you may want to do some research, because you'll be hearing his name quite a bit in the next couple years.

The fact that Dennis Endras is not even mentioned should sum up quite nicely why I do not trust Hockey's Future when it comes to Wild prospect information. It makes a nice list of names, in case you need a quick reference, but you should probably put your own thought into the players behind the names, because HF isn't.

But hey... "Some suggest" Hockey's Future is the only place to go.

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I love that they wrote ‘’Nicklas Backstrom’’… While it would be awesome to have Nicklas, we have Niklas.

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by JSLandry on Nov 2, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I read the stuff on HF about three times... and that was enough... well done Bryan.

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by JSLandry on Nov 2, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

A point of clarification..

Hockey’s Future and HF Boards are two separate entities. You don’t have to like the writer’s opinion (and in fact I have a few issues with the writer; namely the opinion of Wellman and Hackett not being a future starter), but it’s not like the posters on HF came up with the rankings. How the boards are is a separate issue.

Also, it’s “trade Burns for our team’s trash and player from Minnesota.” I don’t know why, but that player from Minnesota is always a cherry on the top.

by GopherState on Nov 2, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Are the boards part of HF, or not at all? I thought they were, but hell… I’m wrong a lot. I know the posters don’t make the rankings. I would guess with the law of large numbers that the posters would make a much better list.

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by BReynolds on Nov 2, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed with GS

HF and HFboards are two different things. HFboard members always rip on the Minnesota HF writer so IMO thats a good sign that members are actually decent hockey fans (besides maybe a few exceptions who will remained unnamed :P)

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by danccchan on Nov 2, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

WIN
Also, it’s "trade Burns for our team’s trash and player from Minnesota." I don’t know why, but that player from Minnesota is always a cherry on the top.

This is fabulous.

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by nathaneide on Nov 3, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You might enjoy this then. It’s every horrible Wild trade proposal collected in the last six months.

by GopherState on Nov 3, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The two are horizontally integrated with one another. So the same company owns them and there’s obvious cross-promotion with articles from Hockey’s Future showcased on the boards themselves, but they are run separately. The various writers report to someone else and in some cases aren’t even fans of that team (i.e. one of the Wild fans on the Boards is the Blues prospect writer) while the message boards are a place for fans to congregate and discuss prospects and their team.

Also, here’s the prospect rankings we came up with as a group if you were curious.

by GopherState on Nov 2, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree on some points

Especially on the Scandella and Cuma point. I have read Cuma is more of a Nick Schultz type.

And I don’t think its fair to ask “You want another Brent Burns, or another Justin Falk?” These comparisons only give you a picture of the style of play, not actual projections. You could ask “a crappy Brent Burns or a great Justin Falk?”

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by danccchan on Nov 2, 2010 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I just realized...

Bryan and I must hate each other, since alot of things you mention as bad, I also do lol

-I consider Granlund a C/LW
-Kalus as a prospect. I don’t rank him very high, but a prospect nonetheless
-I have Gillies above Zucker and Haula. That’ll change very soon with these ongoing seasons contributing but at the beginning of the season, I have Gillies about them.
-Agree that “some suggest” is weak, but from comments from Finnish fans on HFboards, he’s not struggling terribly, but they are considering moving him from first to second line
-I have Scandella over Cuma. Scandella has had a tremendous junior career and is having a good start in the AHL. Cuma has struggled ever since he’s been drafted, injury factoring in, but nonetheless, struggling
-I don’t consider Endras as a prospect. I consider him on the same lines as Jamie Fraser or Drew Bagnall. Free agent signings.

I’ll get the gloves. Meet you outside

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by danccchan on Nov 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

No need for gloves. Just a few questions:

1. Where is Granlund listed as a LW? He was drafted as a center, everything that I have read about him lists him as a center. Obviously a center can generally play wing, but center is a more vital position. Why take him out of that category until he is actually a winger?

2. Kalus has been a “prospect” for too long. It would be like calling John-Michael Doust a “prospect.” Just because he plays in the Wild organization and has a two way contract does not qualify him. At least not to me. A prospect to me is someone who there is a realistic hope that he will one day contribute to the big club. So, I guess the question is this: What makes a guy a “prospect” as compared to just another Houston Aero?

3. Same question for Gillies as above. He is still a prospect, but at what point does the potential value of Zucker and Haula overtake the fact that we know exactly what Gillies will be? He is a third line checker, value of that is minimal. Zucker and Haula still have the potential to be something much, much more. Higher upside, even if it is a ways away.

4. “Some suggest” is crappy writing. Name the source. If he is quoting Finnish message boards, or using them for info, he needs to say that. “Some” is flat out poor arguing. Own up to your claim.

5. Scandella over Cuma is picking apples over oranges to me. Which type of d-man do you want? Cuma was drafted on his offensive ability. If that is lacking, the Wild are at fault. His injuries are in the past, but they certainly sucked his development quite a bit. Watching him play at the development camps and training camp, his instinct is to jump up, like Burns. He also has a mean streak like Burns. He is built like a brick shit house, like Burns. The style of a defenseman can be turned defensive very easily, so if Cuma is turning defensive, they are wasting his talent.

And Justin Falk is already great. ;-) I have heard Ms. Conduct criticize Scandella’s decision making, and he already has discipline issues. I like the physical play, don’t get me wrong, and I rank Scandella in the top ten, but a defensive d-man can be found anywhere.

6. Endras. I guess it all comes back to my question… what makes a guy a prospect. He is not on the team, he is a free agent signing. So what? Do they have to be a draft pick to be a prospect? Niklas Backstrom would have gone to Houston had Josh Harding not hurt himself. Would that make him a prospect, or just another Aero? Fraser and Bagnall are AHLers. Good ones, but AHLers. They have had their chances to make the NHL, and didn’t. They burned their “prospect” cards.

Endras has never had his chance at the NHL, was signed as a free agent, yes, but so was Casey Wellman. He is a prospect, right? Is it being from Europe? What is it?

It all comes down to how the term “prospect” is being defined. Mine is simple. If a guy is in the system, and has a realistic chance of making the NHL, and will some day contribute to the NHL club, they are a prospect. If they are in the AHL, etc and have no chance of ever being called up, or are only going to be called up to play a bit role before being sent back… you aren’t a prospect anymore.

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by BReynolds on Nov 2, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

1. http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=10441, in addition to comments from HF finnish fans who have seen him play. But I think the story is that he’s a natural center forced into the winger position during his draft year. So thats where the confusion might take place

2. IMO, this is his last year considered a prospect. Like I wrote in my rankings, my rule is:
Under the age of 27
*
Has played less than 15 NHL Games (some exceptions apply e.g Gillies)
***Has played less than 4 years of pro hockey

The term “prospect” is such a general term that anyone can mold it into their own, so I don’t think its fair ripping on HF for considering Kalus a prospect. While it may not fit your definition, it does to their rule (and my own as well) and their rule seems quite reasonable

3. Its the potential/reward question. Its hard to really choose between a sure-fire third line checker vs. a very, very raw top sixforward. In my case, I have Gillies above Zucker and Haula, but like I mentioned, they will most likely overtake, or come close to, with their respective current seasons, in the next rankings (December)

4. This I agree with 100%

5. I disagree. When it comes to rankings, you have to take everything they have accomplished into consideration, one camp is hardly your best bet. Scandella has captained his junior team, lead the team in scoring by a defenseman, was featured on the shutdown pair for Team Canada, and is having a good start with the Aeros. Cuma, however, has been injured, and after being injured, based on http://ottawa67s.blogspot.com/, had a hard time being the teams key defenseman. And now, he’s injured again. If he was supposed to be drafted for his offensive ability, he has not shown he has developed his offensive ability quite yet.

IMO, that puts Scandella over Cuma for sure. Cuma has done little to impress me besides one training camp with the Wild and one prospects camp where he was one of the older guys. Two weeks vs Scandellas junior career and its not like their potential values are far off each other either.

Ms.Conduct was not very confident in Scandella coming into the season but sounds like she’s developing a man-crush on him now. Exhibit A -

“Marco Scandella, wow. He’s a young kid. He’s not perfect, yet. But he just continues to amaze me every game. He’s making hits. He’s throwing his body around and blocking pucks. He’s someone I find myself looking at constantly when he’ s out on the ice — and when I’m not looking at the Dynamics.”

6. Endras, again, back to point 1.

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by danccchan on Nov 3, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

so while I agree HF writing is quite shabby

when you rip on HF without differentiating HF and HFboards, it just unfair criticism to a message board that for the most part, is filled with knowledgeable fans from all around the world.

So i guess if I were to fix your caption it would be:
“Who is that masked man? Don’t ask Hockey’s Future. Ask HFboards.”

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by danccchan on Nov 3, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

EDIT

5 – My mistake. Ms.conduct did not say that. John Royal from TTI did. But I trust both of their opinions and John seems to excited about Scandella.

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by danccchan on Nov 3, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair here… the differentiation issue is minor to me. I made the difference known in the body of the post, saying that there are plenty of good people on the boards. I get that they are different, and I think the readers here have it figured out that the people on the boards are not the people writing a HF.

The focus of the post was on HF, not the boards.

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by BReynolds on Nov 3, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least we have a working definition of a prospect, which clears up where most of the conflict comes from. I am not, even for a second, going to try to convince you to change your definition. Let me just say that there will never be a 27 year old coming out of any league and being an impact player in the NHL, save maybe… and I mean maybe a goalie who was a late bloomer. By the time a guy is 27, I think NHL teams have it figured out what the guy is capable of, and what he adds or doesn’t add to a team.

The four years of pro hockey thing makes sense as well, and a line has to be drawn somewhere, but unless it is the KHL, I don’t know that I would consider the pro leagues in Europe to be anywhere close to the NHL. The “elite” leagues and others appear to be about the same quality of hockey as top flight Canadian junior teams. I get that they employ players older than junior teams do, and I get that they are paid, etc, but I really don’t see many 30 year old Europeans being signed to come over and play in the NHL. It is always the kids, and the occasional goalie.

Goalies should also have different rules, as they do for Calder consideration, free agency rules, etc. A young, star quality goalie is rare. Generally, a goalie is not ready for NHL starting action under mid to late 20s. Thus, the fact that Endras is 25, he is just coming into when he would normally start to get a look in the NHL had he been drafted.

Again… not trying to convince you to change the definition of prospect. I think my definition comes with a healthy dose of cynicism, and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. However, reality tends to tell me that not many 27 year olds are making the jump to the NHL.

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by BReynolds on Nov 3, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

HF's Prospect Definition

The link is here, but the short story is:
-24 and under
-65 games or less in the NHL (45 for goalies)
-NCAA free agents have three years from when they sign their first contract if 22 and above. Same goes with Europeans.

So from my understanding Endras is treated as a free agent since he signed as a 25 year-old. Personally I agree with CircularTheory on the matter, but after running across this while compiling the HF Wild rankings, I know that it’s a dicey situation and others don’t share that viewpoint.

by GopherState on Nov 3, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Definition

Again, let me say, I am not trying to argue for a change in the definition. The point was to point out the HF writer’s lack of grasp of what is happening in the organization, despite the fact that so many times I am told that HF is the place to go for all things prospects. It was intended more to be a warning that just because it is HF does not make it right. I would tend to agree with a 24 year old mark more than 27, but the numbers are arbitrary. They are simply a line, and everyone is going to draw them somewhere different. Age is not as important to me as is the potential for that player to one day contribute. Obviously, that is subjective, and difficult to define, making it impossible for a site such as HF to use as a standard.

Now… onto their definition:

# If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

I quote this only as a reference. Because for every rule there is an exception, thus:

# European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

Endras is 25, but has never played an NHL game. According to rule 3, he has three years from his first NHL contract to meet the criteria. He just signed his first NHL deal, thus that gives him three years, right? This is not to call you nor CT out on Endras. I still truly believe that the HF writer does not know who Endras is, or that he is in the organization.

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by BReynolds on Nov 3, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

My take has been that rule 1 trumps all with the two exceptions being NCAA and European players who sign as 22, 23 and 24 year-olds. Again, all definitions are arbitrary but at a certain point a player is just a free agent signing.

by GopherState on Nov 3, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely a big difference between “official” HF posts vs. HFBoard posts(depending on who is posting)…I generally find the most useful info on the boards.
What are everyone’s thoughts of Johan Larsson?

by Pokerface on Nov 3, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Big fan. Can’t wait for him to come up through the system.

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by BReynolds on Nov 3, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stood out at dev camp

He was impressive. Excellent offensive prospect. Played bigger than his size.

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by nathaneide on Nov 3, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

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