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Women's Hockey - Ban it from Olympics?

Let me be up front and tell you that I am not offended by Jeff Passan's article. You will get to read that in a moment. It is well written, if short sighted. Jeff does good work, I simply disagree with him on this subject. You see, Jeff believes that Women's hockey is not competitive enough to warrant inclusion in the winter games in it's current form. He sites scores of US and Canada games and the disparity in talent between those two squads and the rest of the world.

You can find the article over on Yahoo!.

Make the jump, and we will discuss. Call it wading into the Olympic pool.

Star-divide

I should probably tell you a quick story. When women's hockey was just becoming a sanctioned sport in high schools, I was there. I attended a game for the first time when I was 17. It was a Blaine- Coon Rapids game versus someone else. Yes, Blaine and Coon Rapids had to be combined, that's how new this sport was. Anyway, about halfway through the game, one of the girls for Blaine /CR leveled a member of the opposition with one of the most beautiful open ice checks I have ever seen. Clean, hard, beautiful. I jumped up and cheered. No one else did.

The refs arm went up, and our side was whistled for roughing. A hockey mom in the stands gave me a dirty look and told me "You can't do that in hockey." I about vomited. Instead, I left. I never went back. I am of a mind set that if you aren't going to play by the rules of hockey, don't call it hockey. I am talked to women who play hockey. They hate the rules changes. They grew up playing with checking, why take it out now? I believe that there are women on some of these squads that rival the talent and ability of some of the best men's players. Let them show it.

So, I love hockey, I love that women play hockey. I hate that they can't check. That's the only thing I hate about it.

Back to the article and topic at hand.

Jeff (Can I call you Jeff?) brings up the disparity in victories for the US and Canadian squads in past Olympics:

The Vancouver Games mark the fourth for women’s hockey. Including the 18-0 win, two-time gold medalist Canada’s aggregate score is 127-19. The United States won the other gold. Its cumulative embarrassments: 113-18, which, after 16 games, comes to an average of 7-1. Six-goal games cannot sustain a sport.

Six goal games can most certainly sustain a sport, just so long as there is more than one team capable of doing so. In his own admission, the US and Canada both have this capability. Sure, there is a huge disparity between the teams that play in the prelims. There always is. I am guessing that the guys and gals who are eliminated in the preliminary rounds of luge are by rather embarrassing amounts too. Only those prelims are done outside the games themselves, in qualifiers.

Jeff says that unless the disparity can be fixed:

the International Olympic Committee should issue an ultimatum to the sport’s powers that be: Figure out how to balance the sport’s competitiveness or risk losing standing as an Olympic competition after the 2018 Games.

He offers no suggestion on how this new found balance would be found. Perhaps forcing US and Candian stars to play for countries they have no citizenship in or loyalty to? Perhaps line all the women up on the ice and choose teams in a draft?

Let's face it. Some countries don't let women do the same things that men do. Some women are not allowed to drive cars, let alone play sports. Most of these countries do not participate in the winter Olympics. However, many countries that do still have strong stigmas against women playing certain sports, much like here in the US there is a stigma against men being cheerleaders or figure skaters. Those are "women's sports." (For the record, I do not agree.)

It will take some time for countries to get over the stigma of women lacing up the skates. Hell, it took this long to get Canada and the US to do so, and these are two of the most progressive and hockey loving countries on the planet. It may take awhile before the Chinese figure out the game. When was the last time China was a powerhouse in hockey? Anyone? Bueller? Never is the answer. But they could be. 1. something billion people, surely they can figure out the game of hockey. However, it will take some time. It is amazing and admirable that they only lost 12-1.

In discussion on Twitter, Nathan suggested Jeff take a look at the World Junior Championships. So I did it for him. The results of the 2010 Men's WJCs had a bronze medal game with a result of 11-4, Sweden beating Switzerland. In a prelim, Canada beat Latvia 16-0The gold medal game was close, and featured the US and Canada. The combined results of winner vs loser was 202-63, a spread of 139 goals.

In the Women's WJC, the results were similar. However, the gold medal game didn't even feature the US. It was Canada defeating Sweden. The Russians defeated Slovakia in the bronze medal game. The US was eliminated before the medal round even started. Combined results? Winners 195 - losers 49. A spread of 146 goals. Sure, there were blow outs in the prelims. Always are.

The point of bringing up the WJC is twofold. First, it shows that the scores are similar in other international level play. Second, it shows the future of the sport. Women's teams are progressing. The Russians, Swedes, and Slovaks are fielding better teams than ever before. Sure, the Slovaks just got blown out by Canada. However, they are progressing. Why cut off that progress just because it doesn't entertain you, Jeff?

Should we eliminate the luge from competition? Germany has some pretty serious domination in that sport. They have taken 27 of a possible 36 medals since 1964 in women's luge, and 16 of the possible 36 in men's competition.

I bet if I did more research, most Olympic sports are dominated by specific countries, and I am betting that early versions of those competitions were even more disparate. It took until this year for the Americans to win a medal in Nordic Combined. I say we ban the sport because Americans can't compete.

Women's sports, in many instances, are behind the progress of men's. This is not due to a lack of ability nor talent. It is due to the deep seeded, long standing bigotry that has been a part of society for eons. Men have dominated society, and sport, for most of human existence. To cut the progress short just because some nations are not progressing as fast as others is the wrong way to think.

Even suggesting that hockey be eliminated from the Olympics is sacrilegious to me. I don't care if Bulgaria can't compete on the grand stage. They tried, and that is a huge step. They got blown out 82-0 to a team that went on to get blown out 18-0. You know what else that Bulgarian team did? They took their lumps and not once did we read about them complaining about it. The biggest accomplishment of that Bulgarian squad? They blazed the trail. They made a path for little girls in Bulgaria to follow.

The Olympics are supposed to be about showcasing the best athletes in the world. Female hockey players deserve that right as well, and they deserve the same amount of time men's hockey was given to develop. The Olympics should be helping to blaze the trail for female hockey players, not telling them that unless they can immediately compete with the US and Canada, they have no right o play.

Go ahead, IOC, follow Jeff's plan. Issue the ultimatum. After 2018, remove women's hockey from the slate of games, and watch the result. Watch as women's hockey suffers another 50 years or better of stigma. Watch as particiaption in Slovakia, Bulgaira, Belarus, and Russia plummet. Ban women's hockey from the Olympics and watch as bigoted men all over the world bask in the glory and say "see, they can't play hockey."

-Buddha

(Author's note. I am not, repeat not, accusing Jeff of being bigot. Thank you.)

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by TylerDurdenUMD on Feb 15, 2010 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

No? Have you been banned? I promise, I won’t tell anyone. ;-)

by BReynolds on Feb 15, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

By the same argument

Men’s basketball should have been eliminated in the early 90’s. The rest of the world will catch up, but eliminating it is ridiculous.

And I would watch women’s hockey if they allowed checking. In fact, if checking were allowed, it would probably be the smallest gap between a men’s and women’s sport in terms of watchability.

by Cobra312004 on Feb 15, 2010 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

I agree that “no checking” makes it harder to watch. But the goal by Jocelyn Lamerioux in yesterdays game vs China was super sweet. Would hate to not be able to see that kind of skill any more.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/assetid=4c9b8244-67c9-4925-9739-6f960a146e09.html#jocelyne+lamoureuxs+highlight+reel+goal

by mberg300 on Feb 15, 2010 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

One of my sisters friends in high school

got banned for a week for getting into a fight with some instigator cheap player type. Well worth it in my book. In my opinion Hockey is Hockey and Basketball is Basketball. It doesn’t matter if it is played by men or women. Different rules and standards isn’t doing anyone any favors.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 15, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

here my stance

just have us vs canada in a 7 game series in the olympics

by Lancers25 on Feb 15, 2010 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

What about....

The Olympic Motto is “Citius, Altius, Fortius.” These three Latin words mean “Swifter, Higher, Stronger.”

The Olympic Creed reads:
 “The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”

The creed and motto are meant to spur the athletes to embrace the Olympic spirit and perform to the best of their abilities.

Jeff’s perspective hardly jives with the beauty of the Olympics!

by Game On Sports Girl on Feb 15, 2010 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

Elimination?

Of course this should be eliminated from the olympics. I agree with the “Swifter, Higher, Stronger” stuff, as I think Jeff probably does. But in all seriousness, there is no competition. Does anyone who pays attention to mens hockey and knows what hockey is all about even watch this? There is no contact, there is competition, there is no reason to watch it.
American football is just as competitive as women’s ice hockey in the olympics. But it hasn’t been added to the olympics because there are not enough serious competitors.
These scores are outrageous and unsportsmanlike. Who beats a HOCKEY team by more than 10 goals? It’s like playing infants.
Women should reanalyze their rules. There is no contact, checking may add an element of better competition. I mean they aren’t playing guys? And that is what hockey is intended for. Or perhaps they should turn their sticks around and use the ends of their sticks if “it’s all about skills”. ???
Also are you all aware that the OLYMPIC rink at vancouver this year is NHL size? That means that Canada and the USA has a tremendous advantage since all the other teams practice on the INTERNATIONAL (olympic) size rink for their entire lives. It may not affect the men since there is contact in “men’s hockey”, but since “women’s hockey” has a different set of rules and there is no contact the women international teams practice on moving the puck throughout a different size rink which changes the entire dynamic of the sport, it’s just ridiculous.

by shawneese on Feb 15, 2010 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

First off, did you read the post? There is no competition in luge either. Shall we eliminate that? I will watch the women’s game as soon as the prelims are over, just like with the mens. Just like with most events. I could not care less about the prelims.

Who beats a hockey team by more than ten goals? All kinds of teams outside the NHL. Women’s, men’s, juniors, college, happens all the time. It happens more often in international play. Shall we eliminate all international play? As for beating a team by 10 goals being unsportsmanlike, what about beating someone by 24 seconds in X-country skiing? That is worse than beating a team by 10 in hockey. It is all relative to the sport. Shall we eliminate X-country skiing?

I think you missed the point of the post.

The rink is not Olympic size this year because it is being played at an NHL arena to mesh with the environmentally friendly planning of the games. Rather than build a new building, they are making use of one already there. This is not an advantage to the men because almost every team, especially those considered contenders, have NHL players on them. They fit right in. It is not an advantage to the women because all womens teams play on Olympic sized ice. US and Canadian women’s teams play where there is ice available. Most of them play on Olympic sheets.

I appreciate the comment, but again, you seem to have missed my point.

by BReynolds on Feb 15, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

post happy and impatient

very bad combo for high level discussion. If he read the piece about adding checking and keeping the rules the same, he would have never posted.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 16, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Hah. Let’s see. I’ll go to @FollowthePuck and see scores from MN high school games recently.

Minnetonka 12, Armstrong 1
Wayzata 11, Buffalo 0
St. Thomas Academy 14, Richfield 0
Wayzata 12, Armstrong 1
Minnetonka 11, Hopkins 1
Lakeville South 15, Bloomington-Kennedy 0

And those scores were only in the last two weeks. ZOMG!!! END HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY!!!

People dislike women’s sports because they are 1. sexist or 2. homophobic (AND assume all or many women in sports are homosexuals.) The only acceptable women’s sports are the ones where they all look cute! Women’s hockey is more polarizing because the difference in rules is a rallying point that doesn’t revolve around gender or sexuality, so its opponents grab that and expound upon it for all it’s worth because it paints a nice little veneer over their misogyny.

by Runninwiththedogs on Feb 15, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

No one beats another team by 10 goals in a competitive hockey game unless you are on acid. Come on now.
Every sport that is as ridiculously uncompetitive as women’s ice hockey should be eliminated, yes.
If an olympic size arena is unavailable, then the olympics shouldn’t be played there, I make no suggestion to build a rink.
You arguments are irrational. And you are 100% wrong about women from Canada and USA playing in ‘available rinks and mostly olympic’. This is simply false.

And are you comparing women’s ice hockey to high school hockey. You’ve actually verified the point. It’s like high school hockey.

And hahaha are you serious about the sexist and homophobic comments. You are prejudice in making these assumption you hyprocrite, you have no idea who you are talking to, if they are female or male, gay or straight. Educate yourself.

by shawneese on Feb 16, 2010 12:21 AM CST reply actions  

Tool

Sold with Lifetime Guarantee!

News flash, no one is every 100% wrong. Maybe on 99.9% of the time, but please don’t be a tool and try to be civil. If it is lack of competition that is your threhhold, then how didn’t they throw out mens hockey when the Soviet Union went on a twenty year tear of winning everything in sight?

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 16, 2010 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And you are 100% wrong about women from Canada and USA playing in ‘available rinks and mostly olympic’. This is simply false.

The US team is based in Blaine at the Scwhan’s Super rink on an Olympic sized sheet. When the women play on their college squads, it is up to the school on what size sheet they have. Ridder arena is an Olympic size, if I remember correctly. UMD (a little help TylerDurdenUMD or Runninwiththedogs) plays at the DECC which is not Olympic size. The WCHA nor the NCAA care what size sheet you play on, but the point remains. Women play on the rink available to them. At US HQ, it is Olympic size. As for Canada, why would they play on NHL sized rinks when the main event in women’s hockey is the Olympics?

Can you prove otherwise, or is my assertion false simply because you say it is?

And are you comparing women’s ice hockey to high school hockey. You’ve actually verified the point. It’s like high school hockey.

He was not comparing it to high school to show it is uncompetitive. He was doing the comparison to show you that blow outs happen at every level of hockey. Should we ban high school hockey because there are teams that cannot compete?

And hahaha are you serious about the sexist and homophobic comments. You are prejudice in making these assumption you hyprocrite, you have no idea who you are talking to, if they are female or male, gay or straight. Educate yourself.

You were never directly called a sexist nor a homophobic. Me thinks thou dost protest too much, however. I do enjoy your misue of the term “hypocrite.” A hypocrite is someone who says something is wrong and then does that action. Runninwiththedogs has made no sexist nor homophobic comments, thus hypocrisy is not evident here.

Educate yourself.

Good advice. You may want to try it yourself.

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, you did say “Who beats a HOCKEY team by more than 10 goals?” So you didn’t say “Who beats a PROFESSIONAL MEN’S HOCKEY team by more than 10 goals?” We can talk about the World Juniors as well, if you would like.

I am 100% serious about my statement about opponents of women’s hockey being either sexist or homophobic. And if you not only don’t support but actively discourage women’s sports at all levels of competition, then you can count yourself among one, the other, or both, regardless of your gender or sexual orientation (and yes, there are sexist women and homophobic homosexuals.)

Women’s hockey in the Olympics is CRUCIAL to the success of the sport. It would kill any start up programs like China or Slovakia, and many programs in the US and Canada as well. Anyone who doesn’t support women’s hockey in the Olympics IS NOT A SUPPORTER OF WOMEN’S HOCKEY.

by Runninwiththedogs on Feb 16, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That first Olympics

I think the first Olympics to feature women’s hockey was the Nagano games in 1998. I was excited about that, until I watched the games. It was far too early to hold a competitive international competition as the the experience and skill just wasn’t quite there yet. I maintain to this day that my high school team could have taken home a medal in those games. You should never get that feeling watching an Olympic competition.

Outside of the ‘checking issue’ the women’s game has matured wonderfully so far. The top teams have a great deal of talent… they are simply good hockey teams. Once a sport has a handful of truly top class teams, I think it is absolutely essential to highlight those sports in international competition at the Olympics. Hockey is an expensive sport, and it takes a long time to build a strong base to grow hockey in many countries around the world. What we are seeing over the past two years, especially in the junior international level, is that there are a handful nations right on the verge of becoming international contenders themselves.

I am happy that my 2 year old daughter, if she wants to, can play hockey in well established programs, with great women players to look up to, to have her own Olympic aspirations and dreams. I am forever linked to that 1980 miracle on ice. I was just old enough to know what was going on, at least to know that my parents thought that it was a huge deal. I started hockey that next winter, pushing around a folding chair in a termite program, dreaming of the Olympics. If my daughter wants to play hockey, no one is going to tell her she can’t dream of the Olympics because some nations are good enough yet.

On a related but different note, does anyone remember the Athens games? That swimmer from Africa, can’t remember the country right off hand. The man hadn’t ever been in a pool before 18 months prior to the games. He wanted to go to the Olympics, wanted to inspire his people. So he traveled to a pool, taught himself to swim, managed to organize a national qualification, got entry into the Olympics, raised money to travel, marched in the opening ceremonies, celebrated and inspired. In his heat for his event, televised, the race started… everyone else finished before he had even made it to the first wall. He looked like he was going to drown before finishing, but he finished. He climbed out of that pool, grinning and joyous. He had done it. Now THAT is the Olympics. It’s about inspiring, it’s about competing, it’s celebrating life and sport. I can promise you that despite the score, those women on the Chinese hockey team are thrilled to be in the Olympics, to be competing, to be privileged to represent their country and their sport.

It’s also not like the Winter Olympics is the Summer games, were there are nearly 300 different competitions, with a 100 more waiting a turn to get in… and lets not even talk about ballroom dancing.

by Krotz the Wall on Feb 16, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Awesome. Excellent post. Thank you, and welcome to the discussion.

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Give me a break. It is quite obvious that you are either from Canada or USA since you hold Women Hockey in such high esteem. The Winter Olympics are not just a fun, inspirational event of peace & goodwill in all parts of the world. Up here in North it’s the biggest and the most respected sports event of all. It’s about honour, conflict and rivalry. While you might agree that the brave Chinese women facing that onslaught were the most honourable players in the whole show, there was no rivalry or conflict there.

http://79.125.21.88/statistics/hockey/rt_team.php?LID=15&GID=58&LANG=FI&SEASON=2010&nomenu=1&TID=318621250&TYPE=8
Take a look at the link, I hope it works. It is in Finnish but you’ll get the main point, "Suomi NMJ" = "Finland women’s national ice hockey team", the teams they played against composed of 14-15 year old boys, the C-league of juniors. In the Winter Olympics the Finnish womens team is a viable Bronze medal candidate, I don’t think a professional team that gets whipped around 13 – 0 by teenage boys should represent any nation in the Olympics, let alone fight for a medal!

I was just watching the womens hockey match between USA and Russia and after the 2. Period the score was 12:0 or something, I honestly could not watch anymore. The announcer actually said that USA had 60000 registered female hockey players, the same number in Russia was 260. To you it might be surprising but for quite a few of us Europeans watching Soviets play back in the day was the greatest Hockey moment ever. It’s just a disgrace to see a mighty nation like that humiliated on Winter Olympics. The women have their yearly World Championship tournament, do you think that is not enough to develop female hockey? A farce like this has no place in the tournament where the best are supposed to meet. Name one another Olympic sport in which there are only 2 realistic Gold metal candidates?

by J.Niveri on Feb 16, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If you would please READ THE POST, you would see a sport that answers your question.

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

After having a bit of time to actually go over your post, I have a few more comments. It is obvious I am from either Canada or the USA? I don’t do this very often, but I am going to get a bit vulgar here. I would fucking hope it is obvious. Born and bred in the good ol’ US of A, and if that’s a problem for you, we can step outside and settle this cowboy style, alright, you pompous European prick? I know violence isn’t the answer, but I get it wrong on purpose.

OK. I feel better.

While you might agree that the brave Chinese women facing that onslaught were the most honourable players in the whole show, there was no rivalry or conflict there.

Women’s hockey has been in the Olympics for only two prior games. Not a lot of time to build a rivalry. Plenty of rivalry between the US and Canada, so the event gets to stay, right? Or does there have to be a rivalry between the rivals in every game? Not a lot of rivalry between the US and the Swiss today, not between Canada and Norway. Shall we eliminate men’s hockey? Is there a bitter rivalry we don’t know about in curling? How about in Luge or Bobsled?

I don’t think a professional team that gets whipped around 13 – 0 by teenage boys should represent any nation in the Olympics, let alone fight for a medal!

First off, the women’s teams are not professional. They are amateurs. Second, bring those teenage boys over here, let them play our 13 year old girls, we’ll see who wins. Women have not been playing hockey in Finland for as long as they have here. Most of the women on the team have only been skating for a few years. Most of those boys have been skating since shortly after birth.

The announcer actually said that USA had 60000 registered female hockey players, the same number in Russia was 260.

What’s your point here? Should we be ashamed that we promote the game? Because we won’t be ashamed. We will be proud that we are growing the game. The number will only increase in Russia, just so long as there is a reason to do so. Eliminate the Olympic games from their competition, and you remove any reason to grow the sport anywhere except here and Canada.

Should no sport ever be allowed into the Olympics until the competitors are all exactly equal in ability? It is going to be a very short Olympic games.

To you it might be surprising but for quite a few of us Europeans watching Soviets play back in the day was the greatest Hockey moment ever.

Not surprising, no. While we were busy defeating the Soviet Union and protecting Europe’s arses from them, you were all worshiping their ability to play hockey. Meanwhile, we stared down the enemy and beat them not only on the ice, but in everything else, too.

It’s just a disgrace to see a mighty nation like that humiliated on Winter Olympics.

It is not a disgrace. It is a game. As for humiliating them? That’s what Americans lived for for 50 years, so it’s in the blood now.

The women have their yearly World Championship tournament, do you think that is not enough to develop female hockey?

No. It’s not enough, and it is not justification to remove women’s hockey from the Olympics. All the other sports have world championships, too, why bother with the Olympics?

A farce like this has no place in the tournament where the best are supposed to meet.

The best. The USA and Canada. They get to meet until somone dethrones them. Nice try, weak argument.

Name one another Olympic sport in which there are only 2 realistic Gold metal candidates?

Luge. Pairs figure skating. Ice dancing, bobsled. There’s three. Shall I continue?

Nice try. Bring a real argument or go back to worshiping the Russians. We’ll continue to thump whatever country it is you are from in every event and protecting your sorry butt from being conquered at the same time. OK? OK.

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a fan of the ban

I have to say while I don’t agree with the article I understand where the writer is coming from. I personally love hockey but it is very hard to watch women’s hockey — and I’m a woman! I feel awful but I have no interest in watching the women play in the olympics so it wouldn’t bug me either way. I mean that beat down of China was just senseless. It almost seems unfair. Please, I mean no offense to the ladies who rock it out on the ice with their style and speed every night. Kudos to you. But, can you hurry up because I have been waiting to watch the men of the USA, Canada and Finland take the ice. Women’s hockey doesn’t satisfy the urge. I’m sorry!

by Nixx23 on Feb 16, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

It is more than fair to not enjoy watching women’s hockey. It is not for everyone, that is for certain. Notice however that while you admit it is not your cup of tea, there is no reason to ban it. Personal choice shall reign.

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

If women's hockey shouldn't be banned

I understand that you’all don’t “want” women’s hockey banned from the olympics, but based on reality, it is truly the only option.
Just because you don’t want it to be eliminated and feel bad for the players, or for your kids, doesn’t mean that it is a competitive sport.
There should be pie-eating contests in the olympics. I know plenty of competitors who would make for an awesome sport ;)
Simply the facts.

by shawneese on Feb 16, 2010 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

You keep saying things like “simply the facts.” Do you have any actual facts, or are you delusional enough to believ that your opinion is fact?

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ban the WJC

The World Junior Championships should also be banned, as the disparity between the top teams and the rest of the world is too great.

Ban table tennis, only China wins.
Ban beach volleyball, the US crushes
Ban all sliding sports, the Germans rule all
Ban swimming, the US and Australians win all the medals.

Or … keep them in, and build the level of competition.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Feb 16, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Canada 8-0 Norway

I think it’s time to ban hockey from the Olympics. It’s just not competitive.

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Feb 16, 2010 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

New fun stat for all of you

I have decided that we should ban the Olympics altogether:

Total Olympic Medals:
1. US 2511
2. Russia 1204

The US has more than double the next closest country. This is summer and winter games together, so we should really just eliminate the entire thing.

by BReynolds on Feb 16, 2010 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

Yep

Someone needs to start an online petition, because those are so effective!

Proprietor of Hockey Wilderness - We take Minnesota hockey WAY too seriously.

by nathaneide on Feb 16, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we just ban the IOC instead?

Talk about a corrupt and horribly run organization. I am curious what the point of the Olympics is if there are already annual world championships. Shouldn’t they just run every year for sports popular enough to support them?

I mean seriously, how many fans are their of the Nordic events? I imagine there are a fair number in the european countries, but that’s about it.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 17, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

But, but… if you read the post from our European friend up above, there is conflict and rivalry in the Nordic events, so they need to be in the Olympics. Just because no one outside of Europe could give a crap about them except every four years shouldn’t matter. People in Europe like them, and that is all that matters.

by BReynolds on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

May the best team win

If all of the countries involved are putting their best teams out there then who cares, better to try and fail miserably than to sit on the couch and criticize those that do try. The only way the competition will get better is for the other teams to step up their game. They will learn from their losses and eventually they will get better. It’s unfortunate that we can’t say the same for some of the people that complain about it.

by Sixmark on Feb 17, 2010 3:02 PM CST reply actions  

Arg.

The beat writer for the Sabres agrees. Any one with Twitter may want to give him a little piece of your mind.

From @BNHarrington:

Women’s hockey is boring enough. Olympic women’s hockey is just a disgrace because only two teams even know how to play.

 He then sent this, which was wonderful from a paid professional:

The other countries can’t even play the game well in women’s hockey. Not even about same winner. Get a life.

After which he accused me of “Flaming his twitter” after I sent a handful of tweets making my case. I sent a total of 8 tweets. None of which were derogatory, all of which contained facts and stats.

Seriously, NHL teams continue to block blog credentials due to lack of professionalism, but credential this guy and Adrian Dater? I don’t get it.

by BReynolds on Feb 17, 2010 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

why?

 “It’s not interesting enough,” then plain and simple, don’t watch, but don’t cut it from the olympics because its not competitive yet and you don’t enjoy watching. In fact, cut all prelim games from being telelcasted, that would make you and them happy. You don’t have to watch, and they still get to play. That’s all these athelete want to do, just play.

Women’s hockey is one of the FASTEST growing sports in the world. If you look even in the USA certain areas are more dominant for hockey in general, but especially womens hockey. The midwest and out east have large networks of teams, which isn’t necessarily easy to find in the other states.

What do young girls have to dream for if there are no Olympics?.. to play in the NHL? Oh, wait no.. there is no NHL or shall I say WNHL and that’s fine, the NHL has a hard enough problem getting support from certain areas of the US anyways. The only major “professional” womens sport is the WNBA, and thats even funded by the NBA. Womens sports are behind the times, they aren’t at the same calibar as mens teams, but they are competitve none the less. Guaranteed anybody playing in a game couldn’t care less if there were spectators in the stands at all, they’re playing for the love of the game. Any woman hockey player at the olympic level is playing the sport for the only reason any of us EVER play sports to begin with, they love the game. There are no million dollar contracts that these women are hoping and striving for, just a chance to go to the big dance and represent their country.

These smaller countries, or countries that are getting blown out in these games, the players are undoubtedly having a great time anyways. How would you feel participating in the Olympics? Win or lose it’s a tremendous experience that noone can take away from you. These countries don’t come with the intentions to win, just a chance to do what they love. Why take that away? With time it will come, this is just the 4th olympics with women’s hockey, you can’t just expect the field to be astounding. The growth of womens hockey even in the past 10 years has been through the roof, give it a little more time and these other countries will put up a better performance with a bigger selection of athletes.

Oh and as a point of reference: I don’t remember what the argument was all about but the super rink in Blaine has 4 olympic sheets and 4 non-olympic sheets, they could easily play on any of them, and ridder is NOT olympic. The size of the ice only matters at the begining of a game when one is getting used to it, and for the most part is unnoticable when going from olympic to smaller. If anything, playing on nonolympic ice, is an advatage to these countries, because there is less ice for the “big bad wolves” to skate and pass around them.

by mcke0407 on Feb 23, 2010 3:21 AM CST reply actions  

Women’s hockey has only been in the Olympics for 4 years. Give it some time and countries will be exposed to it, enrollment in hockey will go up., and competition will improve. Anyway, 18-0 is no big deal compared to when the men’s team beat Denmark 47- 0.

"I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out."
Rodney Dangerfield.

by c4p5_l0v3r44 on Feb 25, 2010 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

No good reason to remove it

Well, in the Summer Olympics, you know the USA will probably win in basketball, but no one talks about removing basketball from the Summer Olympics.

If women’s hockey were as popular as men’s, this wouldn’t even be brought up. The Olympics are supposed to be about allowing amateur athletes their moment to shine and represent their country. Instead they seem to be about ratings and that means getting rid of unpopular sports in favor of popular sports.

by Silver Fang on Feb 28, 2010 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

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