Playoffs? You're Talking About Playoffs?
With multiple posts out there from every site imaginable about the trade deadline, the consensus is that the only way Chuck Fletcher makes moves is if the Wild are out of playoff contention. I figure it's time we look at the chances of that happening, so maybe we can have a clearer picture of what might happen at the deadline.
Make the jump, will you?
If any of you follow me on Twitter, you know that the first time I tried to put the numbers together, I screwed them up. However, I figured them out, and they don't look good, let's just put it that way.
Here's how I looked at it. October and November were horrible. In October, the Wild went 5-9-0, and in November, they improved to 5-3-3. Looking at the points breakdown, we see this:
Total record OCT/NOV: 10-12-3, for a win % of .400. They earned 23 of a possible 50 points, or 46%.
When looking at the rest of the season, I drew a completely arbitrary line and the end of November. I call the first two months an adjustment period. Frustration, new system, new coach, new teammates, chemistry issues, etc. So I left the first two months of the season behind.
In December, the Wild gave us a show. 10-6-0. Now, that's what I'm talking about. Then January came around, and they returned to Earth a bit, going 7-6-1. Back to the break down we see this:
Total record DEC/JAN 17-12-1, for a win % of .566. Earned 35 points of a possible 60, or 58.3%.
From Russo's Twitter, he figures they need 93 points to finish in eighth.
8th-place Det. on pace for 92.4 pts. Wild has 58, meaning 35 more to get to 93. There are 54 possible points left-at least .648 pace needed
So Russo figures a 64.8% points earning percentage is needed to get in. The Wild have not done that all season. Are they improving? Sure they are, day-by-day, they most certainly are. Except when they play the Sharks or Dallas, the Wild look to be able to beat anyone.
However, there is more to the story. Has anyone looked at the March schedule? If you haven't, you may want to.
Eight road games, six of which are part of back-to-backs. Eight home games, no back-to-backs at the X. March 11-12, it's Detroit, then Buffalo. March 18-19 it's the Predators and the Blue Jackets. Finally, March 25-26 it's Philly then Detroit again.
Finish up the year with three of five on the road in April. All-in-all it's 11 road games, 10 home games between March & April. Why is this a big deal? Because the Wild are atrocious on the road this season, at 9-19-2. Which means they have earned 20 points of a possible 60, or 33%. Not good.
Brign February back into the picture momentarily. Five home games left. Home record is 18-6-2. 38 points out of 52, or 73%. Add in the remianing ten home gaems discussed above, and they have fifteen home games left. 30 possible points. At 73%, they earn 22 points. That puts them at 80 points if they continue that pace through the end of the year.
Going back to the road games, we take the 33% over those remaining 11 games. 22 points possible at 33% is only 7 points. Add those into the eighty, and you get 87. In other math even I can understand, 87 does not equal 93.
Somewhere in the mix, the Wild need to buck their trend and win three games they are not supposed to. Can they do it? Sure they can. Felix Potvin doesn't think they can, and called them a "long shot" to make the playoffs. Six points is not a long shot to me.
W1ldfan brought up a #3 seed in his fanpost the other day. A #3 seed would mean a division championship, and is outside the scope of reality at this point, save for an epic collapse by Vancouver, Colorado, and Calgary. Calgary is doing their part, but the other two teams are playing as well as they have all year. Not going to happen. If the Wild make it in, it will be by barely squeaking over that line.
But Buddha, why bring us down like this? Why crush the hopes of so many Wild fans? Because, dear reader, it is time to sell, and unless the Wild are out of playoff contention, it won't happen. No GM, even He Who Shall Remain Nameless (changed from He Who Shall No Longer be Mentioned), is going to sell if they think the team is going into the playoffs. If they make it in, anything can happen. True Cup contenders? Nah. Not even close. Possible Cinderella story? Why not?
So, if the numbers bear out, and the Wild miss the playoffs by just a handful of points, where will they be then? They will have Owen Nolan, Eric Belanger, Marek Zidlicky, Kim Johnsson, Derek Boogaard, Shane Hnidy, and John Scott all set to walk for nothing. No playoffs, no trades, no draft picks, no prospects. Nothing.
Is that what we want? After years of He Who Shall Remain Nameless letting pending UFAs walk for nothing on a thin hope that they make the playoffs, is that what you want to see? Are we pinning our hopes to a chance that the Wild pull three extra games out of the hat, and then magically find a way to make a run against Chicago or San Jose?
Mr. Fletcher. Chuck. Let me talk to you directly for a moment. It's time, sir. It's time to distance yourself from the old regime in a way that is undeniable. It is time to crunch the numbers and see that another middle of the pack finish is worse than finishing last. Last has a reward. Middle of the pack doesn't. Your owner wants a long term contender. He gets it. Sell now. Get us some picks to be excited about next summer. Get us some prospects with those picks. We have faith, Chuck.
To my fellow fan. It is time to sell. It is not time to finish eighth and get steam rolled out of the playoffs, forever to be remembered as the first team the Sharks could actually beat in the first round. It is time to put off some immediate gratification for some long term gratification. It's time to sell.
In Fletch We Trust.
-Buddha
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I’m assuming one or both of Nolan and Belanger get moved, and one of Johnsson and Zidlicky get moved with the Wild taking back younger players with top six potential.
by Jarick on Feb 3, 2010 1:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trade freeze is on Feb 12, but we wouldn’t make any moves before then anyway. Until the break, we have 5 games (oil, flyers, yotes, thrashers, nucks). How many do we have to win for Fletch to think we still have a shot at the playoffs? 4? 3? Certainly, if we can only win 2 or 1 of those games, we’ve pissed away any ground we’ve made in the past month (if we haven’t already). Like you said, we can’t hang on like last year and end up one point short. I’m ready to sell sell sell. We need prospects and picks and the more the merrier.
Also, once in a while I think about those 8 road games at the beginning of the season and how if we had won 2, maybe 3 of those games, we’d be in such a different place right now. Early season slumps sure do come back to haunt you this time of year.
by Jonze on Feb 3, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Follow the money
Even getting steamrolled out of 8th spot brings in tons of supplementary revenue. You don’t back away from the opportunity to make that kind of cash unless you know for sure you’re out of it.
by SpaethCo on Feb 3, 2010 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I understand the thinking, but I am begging him to listen to what his owner actually wants, and make that happen. I don’t think Leipold needs the extra bank. Nor do I think if Fletcher explained his thinking, that Leipold would have any issue with it.
I know you are a season ticket holder. You are the one paying for the product, and you have more stake in it than I do. But would you really like to trade potential draft picks and prospects for HD scoreboards (see below comment)? If you would, I can respect that, but really?
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t believe in selling for the sake of selling.
We’re already screwed for first round draft position simply because of the gross disparity between conferences — if the Wild were in the Eastern conference we’d have the 7th seed right now. The pecking order of the bottom feeders is already well established, and the Eastern conference will keep a fire sale strategy from being effective. What can we realistically hope for? Jockying for a slightly better position in the middle of the first round of the draft? Even if we dump a ton of salary, who is out there for acquisition that 1) we have a realistic shot at and 2) would have a good fit on this team. Who is going to be letting go of a natural #2 center this year?
If Carolina wants to give us their 1st round pick for Nolan, then I’m completely up for that. But the offer has to be something of that magnitude for it to be worthwile. Otherwise, shoot for the playoffs. The revenue from ticket sales, TV coverage, playoff merchandise, and additional warming house sign-ups is not something you just walk away from to “be the better man.”
The financial success of the team is more important than the on-ice success of the team. (unfortunately those two are not directly linked) That’s why the Stars got relocated even after a playoff run, and we’re talking about relocating the 4th seed (West) Coyotes and not the #14 (East) Maple Leafs.
by SpaethCo on Feb 3, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. But making the playoffs is a short term financial gain. Owner and GM need to think long term. No one is going to offer a high first round pick for any of our UFAs. However, they might offer a high second. Lots of good players come from the second round.
Making the playoffs is the difference between a #16 pick and a top ten pick. Can be some serious disparity there.
Besides. Is Owen Nolan the difference maker between making the playoffs and not? Is Zidlicky? Johnsson? Any one guy the difference? Who says they don’t trade Zidlicky for a high second, and bring up Noreau? Maybe Noreau proves to be a new stud on the blue line. No way to know until you make room for him to try.
If the only time you are willing to explore your young guys is when the team is too far out of playoff contention, we are going to forever be stuck in mediocrity. As we are now.
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not suggesting they shouldn’t focus on the long term — but at this stage don’t do it before the trade deadline in March. What we’ll get from selling off players now doesn’t match the potential upside of a playoff run, no matter how short it may be.
We’ve also been calling up quite a bit of our non-existent depth pool from Houston this year. You really think Nathan Smith or Andy Hilbert turned into a #2 center while we weren’t looking? Is it time to start the game clock on Noreau and maybe end up with yet another guy we can’t send back down for more development?
Is Nolan the difference? Well, he’s got 2 game winning goals + 1 shootout winning goal, so 11% of our 27 wins came off his stick. That’s a pretty significant stat.
This team isn’t stacked with talent, so we need the combined mix of everybody we have to pull off wins. Team chemistry is a brutal bitch — Havlat was barely worth more than a bag of pucks before Lats showed up.
We’ve got a strong set of home games coming down the stretch which will work in our favor. Plus, I have glass seats for the 3/18 – 19 away game stretch in Nashville & Columbus so we’ll win those.
If that doesn’t work out — the teams that would give us some assorted crap for some of our talent will still give us some assorted crap for some of our talent in March.
by SpaethCo on Feb 3, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wild actually don’t have a game between the Olympic Break and the 3:00 PM March 3rd trade deadline, and there are only 4 games being played before the February 13 trade freeze. There’s also a game on Feb 14th, but that game may have little significance in if this team is going to buy or sell. That means there’s really no difference in making a trade now or in March, and there’s a slim chance that this team is going to become playoff contenders over the course of 5 games.
I’d rather see us tear it up next year than live on the hope that this team squeezes enough points to even make it to the playoffs in the first place.
And the mention of a non-existent depth pool in Houston furthers the fact that we should be sellers this year.
by ADN on Feb 3, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GWG is a arbitrary stat. The shoot out goal was nice, but what of the guys who scored before him? Are their goals worth less? The GWGs in the regulation games, were they the only goal the Wild scored? No. I don’t like the stat.
We don’t have a number 2 center in Houston, no. But there may be a #4 or better d-man. There may be a second line forward. How do we know unless they try? As the comment before this mentions, the complete lack of talent in Houston is exactly why they should be selling right now.
We can agree to disagree on the playoffs being that much of a boon for the team. I don’t buy it. If they are going to be in the playoffs, they need to be set up to make a long run, not a one and out. Ask the Wolves and the Vikings how much good will one and outs build with their fans.
Chemistry is huge, you are correct. Wild have chemistry, but they don’t have the right pieces, so the chemistry is secondary.
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly, is losing these guys on the off chance of a playoff birth worth it? Put it all on Red 13 and hope for the best?
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess 13 is black. I’m not a roulette expert. ;-)
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly thought you were making a Star Wars reference and was trying to figure out who flew Red 13… Woof. I need coffee.
by dlfedie on Feb 4, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh… not so much. All I know is Lando Calrissian is not involved.
by BReynolds on Feb 4, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Buddha
I think that the Wild should sell also. Re-load, not re-build. Get something in return for a few guys that you won’t be bringing back. Then, deal with the Irish God of War situation in a manner like below. I would love to see a conversation with Owen Nolan that goes a little something like this.
“Owen, first off, FishTV love the show…huge fan. Secondly, we are gonna’ trade you soon. No, we don’t want to, and yes, we want you here again next year. But lets have a help one another moment, and put you on a contender for another ring, get some younger talent back in return, then come July 1, we sign you back as the elder statesman, and we tattoo an “A” on your chest for the next two years. Whaddya say?"
I agree with Spaeth, you don’t turn down that revenue normally, but, as the Wild aren’t really hurting for revenue right now, maybe you defer the extra revenue this year for more than one playoff round for years to come.
Thems is my two cents.
by mbennett on Feb 3, 2010 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deferring a year doesn't get us HD scoreboards
.. just sayin’
by SpaethCo on Feb 3, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Purgatory of the Mediocre
This is what happens when you are routinely in the middle of the pack. The team doesn’t make that trade to improve the squad because they are not THAT close, but they never deal current players for the future because the present MIGHT happen. This attitude will find your favorite team in mediocre purgatory.
This is the hardest rut to pull out of in professional american sports and I don’t want to see my favorite NHL team try to hold on for a very outside chance of making the playoffs, much less doing anything once there. Deal the two forwards and at least one of the O-Defensemen, both if you can swing good deals. I even listen on the goalies and accept an offer if it gives the Wild a better team in three years (Sure Backs has a no-trade clause, but I imagine he’ll waive it to go to a contender rather than let his contract expire while netminding for a rebuilder).
Sure, this leaves us awefully stretched for the remainder of this season (especially with Doobie backing up the goal), but we have some valuable commodities that collectively could return a decent bounty.
by PinkiePinkerton on Feb 3, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Backs would waive the NTC to go anywhere. I really don’t.
I agree with you 100% on all of the rest of it though. Mediocrity is impossible to climb out of without going downwards first.
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Backs wouldn't waive his NTC?
Again, I’m new to this NHL logistics thing. I guess I look at other leagues where there are midseason trades and guys with NTC. Take MLB for instance, Roy Halladay, a 32 year old ace of a pitcher waived his NTC to get away from the rebuilding Blue Jays to go to World Series losing Phillies. Our own Johan Santana waived his clause to leave the rebuilding Twins and go to the (at the time) perrenial contending Mets.
Are NHL players not wired this way? Do these sort of things not happen?
by PinkiePinkerton on Feb 4, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs? Short answer? No.
(the bold purple line is the Wild, and the graph is all Western teams)
From here: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western.html
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 3, 2010 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lots of squiggly lines, none of which look good.
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks pretty bleak to me as well. I’d like to see the Wild be sellers in the next 2 weeks and at the end of the Olympic break. I think that the new system is finally taking root and its time for Fletcher and Richards to make their mark on the Wild organization by selecting players that fit their style, not the old style.
With that being said, I’d hate to see Nolan and Belanger go for even a short period of time, but they could have a bigger impact in the future with the value they have right now. What playoff team wouldn’t want a gritty, experienced player like Nolan or a faceoff whiz like Belanger that’s solid in the defensive zone and can put up points when needed?
by ADN on Feb 3, 2010 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BREYNOLDS THE NEW BEN BERNANKE??????
RE: BReynolds
Looks like someone with a GED is trying to give Economic and Hockey advice…..
What a JOKE………..
by MFH on Feb 3, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In other news...
Not helping the playoff race, goalies for tomorrow look to be Dubie and Anton. Ouch.
by BReynolds on Feb 3, 2010 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For the players, organization and the fans the playoffs are the only goal
As it shoudl be. If it is a one in a million chance, then you’re telling me there is a chance! ;-) All mathematical and realistic probabilities aside, making the playoffs is the best answer in every season. Financially, competitvely, market-ability, any way you slice it.
However, back to the reality of today, right now might be the best chance the Minnesota Wild have to really reload the team for the future (assuming there is a future past the next CBA negotiation). As a fan and season ticket holder, I want the cup to come to Minnesota. Badly.
So, what do I think they should do? Well… I think whatever they decide this year will be okay. The team is gambling either way. There is no guarantee they make the playoffs; if they do, there isn’t a strong consensus they would make it very far.. There is also no guarantee the picks/prospects they receive in return for Nolan, Bruno, etc… will yeild positive results.
Is the latter more probable and give us greater hope for the future? Maybe. Point: anything can happen.
So, the bottome line is that I’ll be content either way. One thing I do feel is sure: there will be no deals for “deals sake.” If Fletch does not make a deal before the deadline, it will not be for lack of entertaining offers, or even floating a few out there himself. Fletch really has the upper hand here, IMHO, in that if another team really wants something we have—they are going to have to pay.
Just my $0.02.
-Zeb
Let's Go Wild!
by redheadzeb on Feb 4, 2010 1:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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