Boogaard vs King: A Strange Debate
by BReynolds on Mar 14, 2010 10:45 PM CDT
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Alright, I watched this game. I did not watch the whole thing, as I mentioned in the gamer, but I watched the vast majority of it, including the entire first period. At the 3:58 mark, DJ King and Derek Boogaard dropped the gloves in the corner. It was expected, and even mentioned several times on Twitter that this would be a likely match.
I saw it. I thought it was a pretty good fight. I've seen much better, and I have seen much worse. Boogey landed several good punches, including the one featured in the gamer, and on this post, that sent King's helmet flying. King landed what looks like one good punch that bloodied Boogaard's nose, and Boogaard did not return to the game. There is no reason given as of yet.
Then, I spent the rest of my day reading about how Boogaard is disrespectful and got "pummeled" by King. I'm not sure what fight everyone else was watching, but they didn't see what I saw. Make the jump, and let's take a look.
First, here is the video, from the Saint Louis feed:
Notice how the camera stays in the corner while Boogaard and King skate off frame. What happened next seems to me lost on many people, at least from the comments I have seen coming from across the web.
Here is the Minnesota feed:
So, King wants to draw Boogaard out to center ice for some reason. I wish that some reporter would ask him why, but Boogaard just squared off and basically gave him the "Bring it" look. Then, King finally made his way back to the fight he picked, and Boogaard landed several punches. Toward the end of the fight, you will see Boogaard's nose is bleeding, and the blood is all over after being allowed to flow freely while continuing to fight.
Before I go much further, I would like to introduce a couple quotes to the mix:
From Cam Janssen, oh he of the utmost respect for his fellow hockey players, had this to say (via Stensaas and the Saint Louis Dispatch):
"I give him all the respect in the world . . . he's a big guy and he's one of the toughest in the league by far," Janssen said. "But he doesn't have much respect for anybody else, the way he squares off. He showboats himself. I don't think he gave 'Kinger' the respect that he needed. Kinger caught him with a good one and now Boogaard is rearranging his face tonight . . . that's what he gets for not having any respect."
I'll get to this in just a second, but here is a the line from Rotoworld, a fantasy sports site:
Derek Boogaard left Sunday's game after being pummeled by St. Louis's D.J. King.
Pummeled? King got in one lucky punch. One. He did not pummel Boogaard. I've seen pummelings, this wasn't one. I've even seen Boogaard get beat, but he did not get beat today. DJ King got a evening snack of Boogey fists, and King landed the luckiest shot of his life.
Now, let's get back to Jansen's comments. Some video to tell you a little bit about just who Cam Jansen is:
Oh, he was hit with a five game suspension for that one. But wait, there's more. Because we all know the level of respect it takes to plow over a goalie.
Yeah, Cam. You're the utmost expert on respect, right? Boogaard dropped with King and King skated to center ice. He was either one, trying to run away, or two, trying to showboat by trying to fight at center ice. Or perhaps King wanted to fight on the Wild logo, Terrell Owens style? We'll never know, but Boogaard is the showboat in this? Because he wasn't going to chase King all over the ice?
As for Boogaard rearranging his face, you, sir, do not know the extent of the injury, do you? I'm guessing if the Star Trib doesn't that Cam Jansen doesn't. Maybe Boogaard was taken out of the game, but that likely wasn't his choice. Maybe he broke his hand punching King's helmet. The point is, Jansen doesn't know, but hey, why not spout off like Matt Cooke?
If my quick search is correct, Mr. Jansen, you have yet to square off with Boogaard. Why don't you reserve comment until you do?
As for you rotoworld? Why don't you stick to reporting the starting the goalies and leave the commentary to people who actually watched the game? Thanks.
What say you, Wilderness?
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Really, There is even a debate?
Boogey owned the fight, I was at the game and everyone thought boogey owned the fight. King got a couple punches in, then when boogey started making hay, king held on for dear life and didnt throw another punch.
oh, and Jansen is an idiot. I was hoping Jansen would be in the line up, b/c I am pretty sure Scott could re-arrange his face.
oh and I forgot...
Why did King go to center ice? its like ‘I am going to instigate the fight, then run away and make you chase me down?’ WTF, man up and fight already.
The other thing is, kidney shots, they hurt. Boogey is a big dude, and taking kidney shots from him is like getting hit with concrete cinder blocks, even with shoulder pads on.
yeah,
yeah good lord, he got one punch in, and then boogey blasted his helmet off. boogey won that one, and janssen should watch the replays of that fight.
by THE SAVAGE BEAST on Mar 15, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Boogaard Won
If he was fighting DJ King’s helmet. Too bad for the helmet that it didn’t have the fists required to smash a person’s face. Good thing for the helmet that DJ King did.
Boogaard Won
If he was fighting DJ King’s helmet. Too bad for the helmet that it didn’t have the fists required to smash a person’s face. Good thing for the helmet that DJ King did.
All I want to know is
do alot of fans bring plush penises to the game?? Quite humorous actually, is this something you can buy at the souvenir stands?
Who won the fight depends on if you judge by number of punches landed or punches that did the most damage. King-no blood and returned to the game. Booger—lots of stitches, broken nose and didn’t return to the game.
If one fighter lands lots of blows but the other lands one or two and knocks the guy out who wins the fight??
Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.
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The plush penises, I have no idea what you are referring to, so I can’t help you.
How do you know Boogey has lots of stitches? He has a freaking bloody nose. Do you get stitches for a bloody nose? As for it being broken, you don’t know that either, do you?
The very end of the video from the Blues feed
a guy takes a plush penis out of a bag, near the upper right corner of the penalty box.
Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.
It is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. Laura Ingalls Wilder
I saw what you were talking about...
The guy next to the Blues penalty box…for some reason, he was dressed in a banana costume later on in the game.
And I have to admit, BReynolds is right. Why do you jump to so many conclusions as to the extent of the damage suffered by Boogaard. Apparently according to him, all it takes to knock Boogaard out of a game is a little bloody nose.
You sir are an idiot!
King Wins hands down! Maybe he didn’t land as many punches, but the dude is 6’ 2" and broke your giants F-ing Nose!
DJ busted Boogaard and DJ took no damage = DJ pummels 6’8" giant yes!
Janssen is the man! He is scared of no one!
Janssen=COWARD
Ya, Jansen’s not scared of anyone because he cheapshots them before they can kick his ass, what a coward, I wouldn’t call that a man, more of a CHIcken, with a big mouth "I respect players before, ya someone should RESPECST Janssen right in the mouth!!!
That doesn't even make sense!
He doesn’t cheap shot the enforcers he fights. He cheap shots other guys to stir-up the other enforcer.
Not saying it is right, but he does it well. I think he causes most of the fights he is in, so how again does that make him a chicken?
Hit on Carey Price
Price should not be out of net that far! Janssen tried to get out of the way and left his feet to try and squeeze onto the boards, but Price’s handedness kept him tight to the boards and he got smashed!
Janssen tried to get out of the way and left his feet to try and squeeze onto the boards,
He left his feet to avoid the hit? Wow. That is the most diluted argument in history. Impressive.
Janssen knows how to hit. He could have just put a shoulder in Price and absolutly destroyed him if he wanted too. Price has to know that he should not be there with a player coming at him at full speed. Cam is on the interstate going full speed and Price is merging in doing 30 mph. Who has to yeild?
Well, since the inception of the game of hockey, it has never matter where the goalie is, the respect needs to be there. So, to use your example: You are going 70 on the interstate, and a fire truck is merging at 30 mph with the lights and sirens going. Who has to yield?
Jansen needs to pull up on that play. The minimal chance at making a play is not worth running a goalie. You will say otherwise, but if it was Mason or Conklin, you would be furious.
Right. They would never attempt to make a play, ever. That would just be silly. It’s all Price’s fault for being out there in the first place. That makes sense.
Your right!
It is his fault. As a goalie you are safe in the trapezoid and the crease other than that you are fair game my friend. He got in the way of a freight train a comin!
That was sarcasm, in case you missed it.
The goaltender is fair game, according to the rules, yes. However, he is still protected, no matter where he may roam. If a goalie gets to the puck first, no matter where on the ice, a respectful hockey players tries to play the puck, not the body.
If Jansen could not pull up in this situation and make a play on the puck, then he needs remedial skating lessons, and does not deserve to be in the NHL.
Within the rules? Sure. Outside the boundaries of sportsmanship? Absolutely. Welcome to the club Cam, Matt Cooke is the presiding officer.
Oh i caught the sarcasm, I am just a smartass in case you missed it!
Janssen’s head was down until about a 1 sec before he hit Price. Janssen wouldn’t be in the NHL if there were no enforcers. He is not there to look pretty and score he is there to do exactly what he does, stir up shit and get in fights. Not exactly the most SPORTING type of player.
He probably wasn't going for humor there
But I definitely laughed a little.
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by fischean on Mar 15, 2010 10:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Who would you rather be the day after?
Thats how I’d judge the winner, even IF boogey’s nose is broken and has to get zippered up id rather be boogey the next day, sure my nose may be a little sore but king’s whole head has to be feeling pretty great in his helmet right now, not to mention the kidney shots. i wouldnt call this a pummling by either person but boogey definitly got the upper hand ohh and janssen may be a real D-bag but the price hit wasnt his fault, nine out of ten people would do the same thing, im still wondering why price doesnt play the puck off his side (like normal) and stay away from the boards, he didnt have to pinch up against them
From Russo:
Lastly, I’m still miffed at what Cam Janssen’s talking about from the quote St. Louis Dispatch writer emailed me last night (see previous blog post). I wasn’t at the game because I was sick, but from what I watched on TV, Boogaard and DJ King drop the gloves in the faceoff circle and King wanted to skate Derek Boogaard out to center-ice.
Boogaard just stood there. That’s showboating? That looked to me like you want to fight, skate back over here.
And when Janssen talks about respect, I just laugh. This is a player with a laundry list of disrespectful plays on the ice. This is a player who once while playing for the St. Louis Jr. Blues stuck the butt end of his stick into the face mask of a Culver Academy player. That high school player suffered a serious eye injury that took two months to heal.
Not a whole lotta respect there.
But I’m an idiot for thinking the guy has no respect for his fellow players.
I really love
how people keep justifying King winning with “Boogaard has stitches, broken nose, ext ext” Oh really, how do you know? There was no practice today, and Richard’s didn’t say anything, so please tell us this all knowing source that let you know Boogaard was as banged up as you claim. Blood doesn’t mean much here, I’m sure if you got hit in the nose by a guy like King you’d bleed, too. He had one solid hit on Boogaard. One.
I guess he was celebrating the rest of the game
“people keep justifying King winning with "Boogaard has stitches, broken nose, ext ext" Oh really, how do you know?”
Soooo, let’s humor the thought that all of you seem to have: “Boogaard won the fight, because he punched King’s helmet off and only suffered a bloody nose.”
I guess he decided the fight went so well in his favor that he decided to celebrate in the locker room the rest of the game???
It was a close fight
But you can’t deny boogey got beat up. They were saying on the feeds boogards in the locker room getting stitched up. Thats good evidence. Plus he didn’t return. More solid evidence. And so what if boogard landed more punches? They were mostly glancing blows. He sent his helmet flying? Awesome. Dj King sent blood flying.
Great Fight
Boogaard is a good fighter and this fight was great. While watching it initially it appeared to be a pretty close fight, but lets look at it a little closer. While Boogaard appeared to land more punches most of them hit King’s helmet or the side/back of his head. The one huge punch he landed was all helmet. King landed 3 solid blows to the face (if you think there was only one, go back and watch a few more times). I’ve read reports that Boogaard suffered a broken nose, a cut below the eye, and multiple cuts on the forehead. King went to the box with a busted up hand, Boogaard went to the locker room with a busted up face (and didn’t return). I don’t think there is much of an argument, King wins, hands down.
"While Boogaard appeared to land more punches most of them hit King’s helmet or the side/back of his head"
So when King misses a couple of months with a concussion will you Blues fans finally agree that Boogaard won this fight?
Boogaard controlled the entire fight.
Really, that is what happened.
King landed one punch, then got beat up.
If you were at the bar and landed that one punch, you still would have lost the fight, as you did not slow down your opponent at all. That’s how I look at it.
by CitySlicker on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw an interview with DJ King on FSN during the 1st intermission, asking him about the fight. Couldn’t even tell that he had been in a fight and he played the rest of the game. Boogaard’s face was a mess win he left the ice, and he didn’t return.
Sure we was in control most of the fight..
but you can’t deny the fact that he got his face smashed, where as King’s only damage was to his hand.
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Interesting discussion
1. Cam Janssen is a moron. We can agree there.
2. Cam Janssen did try to avoid Carey Price — to an extent. He was going to the wall and trying to go around when he hit him.
3. I guess “winning” the fight is in the eye of the beholder. Is it number of punches landed? Is it damage done to the other guy? Yeah, King held on at the end and wasn’t going to throw anymore while Boogaard wanted to keep going. Yeah Boogaard landed more punches and was in control. But King did the most damage.
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