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"You Would Love Him if He Were on Your Team"

There are some phrases that get tossed around in sports debate so often that we come to simply over look them. It goes beyond cliche to simply being a part of the vernacular, to being generally accepted as fact. These phrases are sometimes over simplified reaction to a complicated topic, or they are used to simply brush off the opinion of someone you really don't have an argument against.

One of those phrases is, "You would love him if he were on your team." this is almost always in response to the outcry over a player such as Derek Boogaard, Patrik Kaleta, Todd Bertuzzi, Jarkko Ruttu, or in the case of this post, Matt Cooke.

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All of this stems from a link that came across Twitter via @Tepherguy. In the upcoming Hockey News issue is a cover story about the top 12 free agents, and Matt Cooke appears to be at the top of that list. The cover of the issue even reads "Matt Cooke is Hockey's Biggest $*&#!... and You'd Love Him if he Played for Your Team."

This phrase is pervasive. It is said about every pest in the NHL, and it is said about every guy who has ever been suspended. Even friend of the blog Greg Wyshynski has said it about Daniel Carcillo.

If it hasn't become clear already, I disagree.

You see, I have a disconnect from sports that most sports fans don't seem to have. I won't go so far as to call it a professional disconnect, but it is a true emotional disconnect. I don't live and die with the successes and failures of my favorite teams. If the Wild lose to the Canucks, it is irritating, sure, but mostly because it means I have to write about how poorly they played. Heck, I could really not care less about He Who Shall Remain Nameless, or the Great Broken Groin, except that they both make for excellent writing topics and an easy joke.

Maybe that disconnect precludes me from this conversation, since maybe Matt Cooke would be a great topic to write about in a Wild sweater. However, the disconnect allows me to interact with fans and non-fans alike and the overwhelming idea I get is that fans don't like him. If the fans don't like him, why would they want him on their team?

Sure, if he suddenly donned a Wild sweater and scored a goal, I am guessing the fans at the X would jump from their seats and sing along as Joe Satriani helped them celebrate. At the same moment, I am willing to bet a year's worth of JS' beer consumption that Wild fans would have the same reaction they had when HWSRN traded for Chris Simon.

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I mean, who wouldn't love to see this in their home arena, right?

Letters flowed into Wild management. Fans wrote to the editors of both major newspapers. There was a story on the news every night for a week about Chris Simon and his impact on the team and its relationship with the fans.It got to the point that Simon wrote a letter to the fans, which was posted to Wild.com, to avert the crisis. As the previous link tells you, the fans were told to "Give Chris a chance." They didn't. I remember letters and posts about how fans would be completely unwilling to bring their children to a game Chris Simon was playing in for fear they may end up witnessing an attack.

I would have to agree. I would not bring my children to watch a hockey game involving Matt Cooke. The odds of something terrible happening go up when Matt Cooke is involved. They have to. I would not attend a game involving Matt Cooke. I know hockey is dangerous, and any game could result in a life threatening injury, but there are only a handful of players who seem hell bent on making such an injury occur.

Chris Simon was one, Jarkko Ruutu is another. Todd Bertuzzi is their King, Alex Burrows their Prince, and Matt Cooke is at very least the court jester. Some people say it about Derek Boogaard. Wild fans disagree, but I see it sometimes, too. Many Wild fans would prefer Boogey be allowed to walk away due to this very fact.

I don't want to come across as being the guy who thinks Wild fans are better than other fans. Hell, most of the time, Wild fans are so blinded by their loyalty they can't see the truth. However, when it comes to respectful hockey, the credentials of this fan base are unquestionable. I have yet to see anyone argue against a Wild player deserving a suspension when they deserve one. More than once, Wild fans have believed a Wild player should have been suspended even when they weren't.

The fact that Matt Cooke would not be welcomed by the fans here in Minnesota is beyond question to me. Again, sure they would cheer if he scored, but every single member of the team of 18,000 would cringe every time he hit the ice. I am certain there would be season ticket holders who would choose to give up their seats. I am certain the backlash against the franchise would be painful. The X certainly would not empty out, but would it be worth it to the franchise to anger fans with a signing such as this?

Unless the guy scores 50+ goals a year and wears #8 on his back, I am fairly certain Wild fans don't want anyone on their favorite team that is willing to hurt people at will.

For anyone who may be stopping by who believes that a player would be loved simply because they slip on the home sweater, please tell me what it is they bring to the game that cannot be found somewhere else. 30 points does not make him talented. A $1.2 million cap hit, that likely goes up, is not worth it.

The fact that you immediately condone his behavior by making him an offer is reason enough to not do so. He doesn't deserve a job in the NHL. If he wants to put in 15 goals and add 15 assists each season, great, but if he wants to do so in the NHL, he needs to lose the mission to kill someone.Granted, he will get an offer. Likely from a team looking to add "toughness" to their roster. At least, that's how they will sell it to their fans.

For fans here in Minnesota, myself included, a player needs to respect their fellow players. He needs to at least know what "The Code" is, and attempt to live by it. I have been ridiculed for my love of "The Code," but I truly believe that if players like Cooke were held to account for their actions, the actions would stop.

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Let me put it this way. Every fan base has its "thing." With Penguins fans, it is an absolute inability to accept outside criticism of the team. For Red Wings fans, it is the constant conspiracy theories. For Habs fans it is an ultimate lack of respect for everything on the planet. For Wild fans, there is a rampant over valuing of the players on the current roster, and an absolute demand that the players on that roster play with respect.

To the nay sayers out there, go ahead and say what you want. You are all "experts" on this topic, so I'm certain that you believe that it doesn't matter, that it doesn't matter who the player is, just so long as they wear a Wild sweater, the fans will love them. However, let me tell you this. In the case of this particular fan base, this one of the thirty out there, it just is not the case.

Matt Cooke, Jarkko Rutuu, Alex Burrows, Todd Bertuzzi, and every single player like them are not welcome here. They could have a Wild sweater tattooed to their body, and it would not make a difference. The fan base wants players who have a respect for their fellow player, for the game, and for the fans who pay their salaries.

Matt Cooke is a joke, he is a dirty player, and he does not belong in the NHL. Love him all you want in your team's sweater.

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There is a very fine line in respecting other players and playing with an edge that allows you to win a game. I despise the players you mentioned above. However, I do think we need a player like Cooke, Ruutu, or Burrows to stir the pot. If you have all fancy players, you wont go anywhere. Bottom line is winning. How many times this season were Burrows, Ruutu, and Cooke suspended? 2 times as a whole? I might be wrong on that, but that’s the same amount as Alexander Ovechkin. There is a fine line that needs to be toed in order to win. Having players like those mentioned above allow you to do so. I look at players like these as a necessary evil. Yes, we might cringe when they step on the ice, but the other team will be cringing too.

by wild32384 on May 15, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

The Wild have exactly the type of player they need in Cal Clutterbuck. He hits hard, he talks trash, but he keeps his arms and elbows down, pulls up when a player turns their back, etc. Willing to drop the gloves if he is called out.

As far as I know, Burrows has never been suspended. I think Rutuu has been two or three times, and Cooke I think just once. To me, all that does is serve as another example of how broken the discipline system is. Winning is indeed the bottom line, but if you have to turn into the Flyers to do it, is it worth it? Or into the Canucks or Duck under Brian Burke? Not so much.

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by BReynolds on May 15, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cal has crossed the line a couple times, also he doesn’t fight anymore. I like cal b/c he keeps his composure, and that’s what separates players like Cal and those you mentioned in the article. Really, Aside from Pronger, who is a cheap player on the flyers? I personally like Carcillo. Richards has crossed the line once, so has boogey, and a number of other players, Doesn’t mean that they should be labeled as cheap shots.

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by wild32384 on May 17, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Cal crosses the line, you don’t see him doing the crap that hacks like Cooke or Carcillo do, checking and hitting all of the times is part of hockey.

by Eric B on May 17, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you think about the consistency [or lack thereof] in the NHL’s disciplinary system, the amount of times a player has been suspended doesn’t hold that much weight. I won’t go into the hackneyed spiel of how messed up the discipline is in the league. But does Burrows get suspended for everytime he tries to embellish plays & fake injuries? Nope, &even if it does get your team a two minute power play, I’m not for getting that two minutes in such a manner. Clutterbuck—a guy that hits hard &often, &in my opinion, really tries to stir the pot. In fact, if it weren’t for his heavy hitting, I might not like the guy, because he seems to have a bit of Avery-potential.

Anyways, good article &true; I wouldn’t be able to accept these guys on the team &as far as I have met, other Wild fans wouldn’t be able to either.

by pandas on May 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colin Campbell and Gary Buttman need to be fired ASAP. Campbell doesnt make the same call twice and Buttman is on all fours kissing Crybabys ass 24hrs a day. The NHL needs an out side person to determine suspensions. also I suggest you look at what Willie mitchelle had to say about the aforementioned Campbell. its a good read.

I think we need an agitator, I personally love to have either Steve downie or Daniel Carcillo on our team. both guys can play and drop the mits. I love boogey, but all he does is intimidate.

by wild32384 on May 17, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Answer: No.

Really, do I need to go into detail as to why? If Bettman and his lap dog Collie want to “clean up” the NHL, they should start by removing Matt Cooke indefinitely. Let him go pull that shit in the KHL.

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by redheadzeb on May 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I would be willing to bet the Pens resign Cooke in the off season…

by Eric B on May 15, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I have read, it sounds like they will

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by BReynolds on May 15, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome!

by Eric B on May 16, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good article.

I would hate if Cooke was a Wild player. He disgusts me. I wish he would just go away and never come back so we don’t have to hear about him anymore.

by taralynn09 on May 15, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think I would be a fan of the Wild if they signed him.

by Eric B on May 17, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're betting my beer!!!

Well, it’s ok, since I know you would win that bet… Matt Cooke is a fucking disgrace of an athlete, Even his own teammates don’t like him and a lot of Pens fans don’t want him back either. It’s one thing to not like a player because of underachieving (Sheppard, I’m looking at you, you TWIT), but to hate a player because he’s dangerous and dirty tells something about that player: He’s a menace, he’s ruining the sport. Also, sure we may hate Sheppard for being about as good as a drunk llama this year, but the majority of fans hate Cooke, and I hope the GMs of the league realize it, because I’m pretty sure we’re not the only ones who would be disappointed to have him wearing their team’s colors…

People keep telling me ‘’ Duhh you’d like Crosby if he were in your team, DURRRR…‘’ To those people, I say, sure, a 50 goal guy would be fun to have, and sure, he would attract attention towards the Wild, but that’s just the thing, with a guy like Crosby, we’d get dumbass bandwagon fans, a friggin’ crybaby (end of game 6 + entire game 7 against Habs are exhibit A and B), and no one would even look at the other players. I’m sorry, but Crosby will NEVER be Wild-worthy, and call me crazy, but I would take Koivu over Crosby anytime. I never thought I would ever like Latendresse, in fact, I laughed my ass off when we acquired him, but he really changed with the Wild and he grew into a go-to-guy. Crosby will always stay the same pompous ass he’s always been, because he’s never faced true adversity, something that builds serious character, something the Wild have been building for quite some time because no one but us believes in them. All in all, if I hate a player, like say Crosby, Cooke, Jovocop, Burrows, chances are they won’t magically become my favorite once they wear the forest green (Lats of course is an exception, because I never HATED him, it’s not his fault he was a hab! )

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by BubbleWild48 on May 15, 2010 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

HA! Like I’m going to bet MY beer? Yeah right.

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by BReynolds on May 15, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Canucks fans thing is… Personal insults while trash talking another team’s fans because they have nothing to answer to our very true claims about how they suck… They are the worst debaters EVER!

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by BubbleWild48 on May 15, 2010 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I can agree to that

since some ridiculous Nucklehead fans personally attacked me for absolutely no reason.

by taralynn09 on May 15, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

They

Attack everyone with personal insults, Like JS said, Because they cant deny that the Nucks are cheap pompus panzies!

by wild32384 on May 17, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some day Daniel Carcillo, Alex Burroughs and Matt Cooke are going to get what is coming to them. When Evander Kane knocked Cookes ass out it was awesome. Eventually someone is going to decide enough is enough.

by Eric B on May 15, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

That’s probably one of the best choices Evander has ever made for his career/reputation/in general

by pandas on May 16, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

People keep wondering how I can refuse to cheer for the Red Wings this year against anyone.

It’s easy. I don’t believe Brad May and Todd Bertuzzi should have careers. And I can’t back an organization that sees fit to give them one.

by brigid22 on May 15, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, there’s certainly that. Then, there’s the ultimately annoying fans, the pompous members of the team, the sense that they are owed a Cup every season, the fact that they win all the time… I could go on all night.

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by BReynolds on May 15, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that they claim they have the greatest fans even though they can’t fill their arena, the fact that they broke Harding (and possibly his trade value), that they’re still pissed Lidstrom didn’t get a Norris nomination, that they are taking the nation’s valuable supply of tinfoil…

by brigid22 on May 16, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

In related news, Alcoa Metal works (makers of Reynolds Aluminum foil) stock went down 44 cents yesterdya. Likely because there are no conspiracy theory teams left in the playoffs.

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by BReynolds on May 16, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL!

+1

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by redheadzeb on May 16, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the article

And I think that there are points to both sides, in that you are right that the phrase is overused. but that does not mean that the Phrase “but you’d love to have him on your team” is with out merit. the first player I hear this phrase being used actively, and repeatedly on was claude lemieux. and I think that Cal Clutterbuck would fit the list of players deserving of the moniker (although maybe I am just overvalueing Cal because he plays in the forest green.

I do think that teams do need an agitator on their scuad. some one that gets under the skin of opposing players and takes them out of their game. but I would not put cook, bertuzzi and the others you mentioned above on that list.

They are goons. and I don’t think that teams need goons. Boogey I would classify as an enforcer and not a goon, because he very rarely crosses the lines. he doesn’t go out their and try and kill or maime other players. going knee to knee, unprotected hits etc. the players you mentioned cook, bertuzzi etc. they have all tried to deliberatly hurt other players and so I have no respect for those players. And I dont want them any where near my team.

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by the Real Thor on May 16, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou Nanne calls players like Boogey as equalizers.

by Eric B on May 16, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I invite you to add this tag to stories. If really makes you feel great.

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by Derek Zona on May 16, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Zona rules

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by nathaneide on May 17, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I may need to do so. Thanks Derek!

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by BReynolds on May 17, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Updated and added. Well played, sir. Well played.

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by BReynolds on May 17, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

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