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Wilderness Walk for 5-27-2010 (Kind Of)

Since the NHL and it's television "partner" NBC have seen fit to leave the hockey fans of the world without hockey until Saturday, the Walk gets a bit creative today. I hope you enjoy it, and I hope it gives you all something to talk about.

Funny Videos of the Day Two Days Ago:

These videos were part of the Puck Daddy Eulogy for the Canadiens. Please enjoy, if you haven't already, or even if you have.

The Original

The Down Goes Brown / Bloge Salming version.

 

Two Blog Posts to Make you Think:

Getting tough: do the Oil need an enforcer? | OilersNation - Oilers Nation discusses if they believe their squad needs the Boogeyman. Well, they discuss if their team needs an enforcer, and naturally, Boogaard comes up in the conversation. Boogey as an Oiler. Imagine it Wilderness. Please, clean up your tears before you leave.

What the Habs should do this summer " The Ryan Coke Experience - This... now this piece is pure genius. You will need to read the entire thing, but basically he believes that the Habs are going to off load a ton of salary to Chicago in Andrei Markov and the Kostitsyns for Dustin Byfuglienand Brian Campbell, further dump salary by conning someone into taking Carey Price, sign Derek Boogaard, put him and Byfuglien together on the fourth line, sign Kovalchuk for $7 million per, add Matt Cullen, "resign" (not re-sign) Benoit Pouliot (for reasons still unknown)... and it goes on and on. Basically, it reads as though someone drank a little too much of the Kool-aid at Jonestown and is still fighting the after effects.

I would like to remind everyone who wishes to post ideas on what their team should do, float rumors, discuss free agency... please visit a salary cap site before doing so. In the above example, the Habs trade $9.6 million in salary to Chicago in return for $10.1 million. Chicago also gives up the best player in the deal. For a team that is already over the cap with 10 players left to sign, how does Chicago get this one past the league?

Bob Gainey still works for the Habs, and being the only GM willing to trade for bad contracts, that leaves them out on this one.

Mind boggling stuff, folks. So... getting back on track... Thoughts? Where does Kovalchuk end up? Would you trade Byfuglien after the playoffs he has had, and is signed through next season and an RFA after that? Who would take the Kostitsyns? Have you found a way to circumvent the salary cap to make the above scenario work for the Habs?

Please, JS, keep the laughter down to a dull roar, OK?

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Thanks for the link

Thanks for the link to my blog. For the record, I also recommend everyone reading the whole thing, unlike the author here.

In regards to the Byfuglien thing, the author here left out this line I posted: “I now think the Habs would have to add more to the deal, but if the Blackhawks want to get rid of Campbell, they’ll have to add something else to the deal.” I also wrote “I originally wrote this part after the first round, when Byfuglien had zero playoff points because he was playing as a defenceman.” Obviously his value has increased.

Originally though, I listed Markov as part of a trade as going to Colorado, since they need a top puck-moving defenceman, but I see you left that part out. (That’s why I didn’t include Campbell in my lines at the end of the posting, or did you miss that part as well?)

You don’t think there are teams out there that would want Carey Price? A 22-year-old potential franchise goalie who has won world junior championships, a Calder Cup (along with the Calder Cup MVP), won CHL and WHL goalie of the year awards, and has had some NHL success (not a lot, but a litte). Yeah, there’s no market for guys like that. It’s not like we’re talking about Josh Harding. We’re actually talking about a potential #1 starter here.

I didn’t put Byfuglien on the fourth line. I put him in brackets after I listed the offensive lines, because that’s where you generally list players not on lines. You wouldn’t say “top line: Cammy-Gionta-Gomez (not included: Sergei Kostitsyn).” It just doesn’t make sense.

I’d like to know where you think Kovalchuk is going to get a $100 million/10 year deal. Is there any team that would do that, or even afford to?

I visited a salary cap site. I did up the numbers. Under my ideas, the Habs can afford to ice the team I listed.

I would like to remind everyone who decides to comment on blog postings to please read the whole thing.

Again, thanks for the link and the comments.

by newfcollins on May 27, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the link to my blog. For the record, I also recommend everyone reading the whole thing, unlike the author here.

I’ve read the whole thing. Multiple times, but thanks for checking that video camera you have in my head before you made that comment.

I also wrote "I originally wrote this part after the first round, when Byfuglien had zero playoff points because he was playing as a defenceman." Obviously his value has increased.

I don’t buy for a second that you wrote it after the first round, since the first line you use while discussing him is: “Yes, I know, easier said than done, especially after the playoffs he just had.” Nice try, though.

"I now think the Habs would have to add more to the deal, but if the Blackhawks want to get rid of Campbell, they’ll have to add something else to the deal."

So if the Hawks want to trade Byfuglien and Campbell for Markov and the Kositsyn sisters, the Hawks need to sweeten the deal? Or they need to throw in Byfuglien to make it worth it for the Hawks? The point is, the Hawks don;t want Markov, or the Kostitsyns, so why would they possibly want to give up the Conne Smythe favorite for them?

Originally though, I listed Markov as part of a trade as going to Colorado, since they need a top puck-moving defenceman, but I see you left that part out. (That’s why I didn’t include Campbell in my lines at the end of the posting, or did you miss that part as well?)

I left most of your post out, or did you miss that part as well? I’m not going to post your entire post, thus the link so people can read it. As for the trade to Colorado part… then why mention him as being traded for Campbell later? You trying to be Eklund and just throwing things out there and hoping something sticks? Colorado doesn’t need Markov either. They already have two d-men making over $ 4 million. Why add another?

You don’t think there are teams out there that would want Carey Price? A 22-year-old potential franchise goalie who has won world junior championships, a Calder Cup (along with the Calder Cup MVP), won CHL and WHL goalie of the year awards, and has had some NHL success (not a lot, but a litte).

And was replaced as a starter by his back up two years in a row. And who melts down at the slightest bit of pressure. Success at the WJC? A Calder Cup? CHL and WHL goalie of the year? Big deal. I’ve had my driver’s license for 15 years now. It’s time to stop bragging about it and start bragging about where I go now that I have it. None of those things matter. He is in the NHL, and he is terrible, and the laughing stock of NHL goaltenders. You are so sure teams want him, name them please. Who would over spend on a washout? Then again, that’s the entire point of your post. Price, the Kostitsyns… you think teams are just lining up for your off casts.

It’s not like we’re talking about Josh Harding. We’re actually talking about a potential #1 starter here.

Oh. Woe is me. You talked trash about Josh Harding. What ever shall I do. I better go cry this out. I’ll be right back.

OK. I’m OK now. Harding is an unproven, untested back up, ready for a shot at the #1 spot. He has shown poise in his games, and he has shown mental lapses. He is young and unproven. He is also going to get a shot at a #1 spot before Price gets another one. If you would go back and read comments, posts, and analysis on Harding on this blog, you would see that none of us see him as the next coming of Patrick Roy. He is, however, a serviceable and viable option for a team rebuilding and ready to take a chance with a cheap goaltender who could be the next goalie jackpot.

I didn’t put Byfuglien on the fourth line. I put him in brackets after I listed the offensive lines, because that’s where you generally list players not on lines. You wouldn’t say "top line: Cammy-Gionta-Gomez (not included: Sergei Kostitsyn)." It just doesn’t make sense.

First off, those are parentheses, not brackets. These are brackets: [ ] Here is the exact lines from your post:

Gionta-Gomez-Kovalchuk

Cammalleri-Kariya-Cullen

Lapierre-Moore-Pouliot

Boogaard-Moen-Metropolit (not including a trade to get Byfuglien)

So, how about you list Byfuglien in parentheses next to the line you think he fits on, rather than next to the fourth line. Or, drop the line to it’s own line to distinguish it from the fourth line. Show me another place where they list players not listed on a line directly after the fourth line, and sharing a line in the formatting with the fourth line.

No, you would not include players on a line that are not on the line, as you suggest with the Kostitsyn remark. However, when you want to potentially include a player on that line, you certainly would list them near that line. At least, it would make sense.

I’d like to know where you think Kovalchuk is going to get a $100 million/10 year deal. Is there any team that would do that, or even afford to?

To this, I simply reply: www.CapGeek.com. The Islanders look to be an intriguing spot he could land. 17 players signed, $29 million in cap space left to sign seven guys. Hell, even Anaheim has 18 players signed with $19 million left over. Either team would make sense. Also the Coyotes, the Blues, the Avs… all have the cap sapce to sign him, depending on if they want him that badly. As I said, I think he gets his $10 million deal, or he bolts for the KHL. He is not a team player. He could care less about the cap hit and how it affects the team. He wants his money.

I visited a salary cap site. I did up the numbers. Under my ideas, the Habs can afford to ice the team I listed.

You may want to revisit them. If you can’t find any teams that can fit Kovalchuk under the cap, you obviously didn’t look the sites over very well. Yes, under your plan, maybe they fit. My point was that your “plan” is a pipe dream. The Hawks won’t make the trades you think they will, no one wants to give anything up for Price, and the Kostitsyns are worthless. Markov may be able to draw some interest, but not the value you think he has.

I would like to remind everyone who decides to comment on blog postings to please read the whole thing.

Agreed. Read the whole thing. Then read it again. It is good for a laugh every time.

Again, thanks for the link and the comments.

I do what I can to keep myself entertained. If that results in linking to your site, so be it. You are very welcome for the link, but you may want to temper the celebration. Being linked to for the reason you were linked to is not good. We are laughing at you, not with you.

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by BReynolds on May 27, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

''Applause''

Wow… I think I love you Buddha! ;)

A whole lot of players become absolute shit after their junior careers. Ask Patrik Stefan, Alexandre Daigle, James Sheppard… NHL and juniors: Apples and oranges. Plain and simple.

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by JSLandry on May 27, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love the part about your licence.

It also gives me an idea of just how old you are :P

twitter: BubbleWild48

by JSLandry on May 27, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spelling

PS- It’s Kool-Aid, not Kool-aid.

by newfcollins on May 27, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow. From the guy who typed “resign” repeatedly in his post, pointing out a missed capital letter in a brand name seems a bit petty.

Hockey Wilderness

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by BReynolds on May 27, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can I PLEASE laugh very loudly? PLEASE!

I also gave him a very looooong chunk of my mind, but my ‘’comment is awaiting moderation’‘… I hope I didn’t just waste about an hour of my time for nothing!

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by JSLandry on May 27, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's the point

Maybe you missed it, but anytime you call out someone on their proper spelling, you need to make sure your own stuff is clean.

I’ll respond to the rest later, as I’m on my way out the door.

Also, brackets can also be ().

by newfcollins on May 27, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s not misspelled. It’s a missed capital letter in a brand name. You did not misspell anything either, you used the wrong word. If you would have misspelled it, or only misused it once, I would not have brought it up.

As for brackets… um… no, they can’t. Those are parentheses, so by definition, not brackets:

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by BReynolds on May 27, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

BWAH HA HA HA HA! Nice. Well played, sir.

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by BReynolds on May 27, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh good lord, I feel like I just walked into my high school..

And by the way, my tears for Boogaard? Good luck cleaning those up!

by shleske on May 27, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

HA! I love it.

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by BReynolds on May 27, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

All I have to say is the Winter Classic 2011 can suck a fat one.

by TylerDurdenUMD on May 27, 2010 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree. So sick of Ovechkin and Crosby being rammed down my throat. It’s like Kobe-Lebron in the finals, Red Sox-Yanks, Brady/Patriots, etc. It makes me want to throw up or drink until I throw up.

by Call of the Wild on May 27, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was to be expected. Bizzare how Pitt gets in on two WCs before some teams ever get a shot at one.

The real question to me is why are they having a second outdoor game in February? The whole point of the WC was to be special. Having another one a month and a half later degrades it. It also reeks of patronizing BS.

Hockey Wilderness

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by BReynolds on May 28, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, it totally reeks of BS. I know it was expected to be Wash-Pitt in the next WC, knew it was expected since Philly and Boston, hell, since Detroit and Chicago. Pens playing in their 2nd WC before some teams even play in one = Bettman FTL.

by Call of the Wild on May 28, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did as well. My favorite part of the whole blog: “Last November, I wrote a letter to Marc-Andre Bergeron, asking him to leave the Habs because he wasn’t performing.” (nearly impossible to read that with a straight face) hahahahahahahahaha!!! Yep, he’s gonna leave the Habs because of that 1 letter, what a joke. If that were the case, I’d write letters to James Sheppard and Derek Boogaard every single day asking them to leave. Looks like I better get started on those 2 letters, peace out for now Wilderness. ;)

by Call of the Wild on May 28, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that...

If he wrote his letter in November, that means he didn’t give Bergy much of a chance… in October and November, he played a total 19 games, posting 10 points with an even +/- …Also, he had an awesome November, playing 12 games with 7 points and + 3… meaning if he actually did send him a letter, it was likely at the beginning of November, when he had 3 points and -3 in 7 October games… Wow… that’s pretty rough considering most of the team sucked way more than he did in that time-frame…

As if Bergy would just show up in the locker room, telling Jacques Martin ‘’ Yeah, this is going to be my last game, an angry fan told me to leave the team’’ (With a heavy french accent)… If he writes letters for a rough patch of ten games by a brand new player in a brand new system, then he must’ve wrote a SHIT TON of letters in his life… And the Canadiens wouldn’t be in existence if the players actually listened to their fans.

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by JSLandry on May 30, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone know when

the players who are going to be on the road tour will be announced? Was there a date ever said? I’m getting anxious.

by shleske on May 28, 2010 6:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Hmm… I don’t think they announce the players until very close to the dates. Not sure on an exact date, but it seems to me it was almost right when they started last year.

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by BReynolds on May 28, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought they announced by this time last year. When they were in Duluth I’d found out, then taken that day off work.

The best part was had I gone (ended up going to a funeral) I would have had an entire day off to go to an event right next door to my work.

by TylerDurdenUMD on May 28, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last year I found out two days beforehand that Boogs&Scott were going to be here so I was just wondering. I’m a little impatient. If it ends up being Sheppard, I’ll be pissed.

by shleske on May 28, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s who came here too. I had that Monday off, but then had to go to a funeral on Friday, and there’s no such thing as a four-day weekend for me. I was far, far beyond pissed.

by TylerDurdenUMD on May 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Email in to Wild PR. Will let you know when / if they reply.

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by BReynolds on May 28, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK… the news is… no firm date. They said “as soon as they are finalized.”

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by BReynolds on May 28, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm. I really do have a bad feeling that Sheppard will be coming to my town. I’ll make sure to mention to him that he is the namesake of our cows.

by shleske on May 28, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was worried...

So I went back to the post, since he promised a reply and never came back. He replied, but on his own blog. Here is that reply:

@Buddha:

Why would Chicago take Markov and the Kostitsyns? Because both Andrei’s are unrestricted next season, meaning Chicago would have an extra $10 million in cap space to re-sign guys they need to re-sign. And I did say the Habs would have to add more (prospects? draft picks? Who knows?).

I guess Kovalchuk is going to the KHL. No way a team signs him to a $10 million deal for 10 years.

As to your other point: "You say you gave the re-signed players raises, which is great, except that you didn’t lay that out in the post. As they taught you in school, you need to show your work."

Ummm… I think I did. For Pouliot: "I say we sign him to a two-year contract for about $1 million a year (a small increase from the $800,000 he currently makes)"

For Metropolit: "Because of his career year, he may want a salary increase from the $1 million he made last season. He’s 36 years old, so if we can sign him for about $1.25 million, I think we should. If he wants $1.5 million or higher though, we need to let him walk."

For Moore (although this one isn’t a raise because he’s an unrestricted free agent): "If we can resign him for about $1 million or less (which should be doable, since he’s only making $1.1 million now), we should."

Did they not teach you in school to read the whole thing before writing down answers?

And for your final set of questions: "Who takes all this salary you want to dump? Why do they do it? Why do other teams suddenly want the players you so badly want the Habs to get rid of?"

I explained Markov, and I think there would be a market for him. Not re-signing Pleks and Bergeron, they don’t need to worry who picks them up since they’re unrestricted and can sign anywhere they want. And I would be willing to bet there are a few teams out there that would be willing to take a chance on Price. So that only leaves the Kostitsyns. Again, the NHL is filled with guys who have gotten plenty of chances in their career (Dan Cleary was my example in another comment above), so someone would be willing to give a 25-year-old former top 10 pick a chance, along with his younger brother.

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by BReynolds on May 29, 2010 11:23 PM CDT reply actions  

My reply

I need some of what you are on. You live in a dream world.

No one will sign Kovalchuk to a $10 mil per deal? Write down the exact date and time you said that. There are teams that will be willing to do so, and I have listed them for you. For the last time, if they don’t, he will go to the KHL, not to Montreal. Keep dreaming though.

As for the dollar amounts after the RFAs, I have an edit button over at Hockey Wilderness, too. They were not there originally, so… good on ya for covering you butt with that.

You are the only person on the planet that thinks the Kostitsyns have value. Let me correct that. People in Montreal are the only ones who think they have value. They don’t. Let it go. You’re stuck with them, and the horrible contracts.

Bringing up Plekanec and Bergeron is avoiding the topic, as they are not included in the cap hit for next season, so who cares?

You are willing to bet there are teams willing to take a chance on Price. As I have asked you before, name them, please.

The NHL is indeed filled with guys who have been given too many chances, but none of them are drama queen Soviet bloc nothings.

Now. Cut straight to it. Do the math on your line-up. You have no back up goaltender, and your salary comes in at $62.37 million.

You are going to say "Show your work," so here it is:

Gomez 7.37
Squid 6
Gionta 5
Moen 1.5
Laraque .5 (Buyout)
Maxwell 0.735
Hamrlik 5.5
Spacek 3.833
Gill 2.25
Gorges 1.3
O’Byrne 0.942
Moore 1.1
Metropolit 1.25
Pouliot 1
Lapierre 1.25
Halak 0.84 (No new salary listed in his post, so I used the basic RFA raise of 5%, but he likely gets more than that)
Byfuglien 3
Kovalchuk 7
Karyia 3.5
Blake 3
Cullen 3
Boogaard 1.5

Total of $62.37 million

(Note: I had to rework my math. No excuses, I did the math wrong and missed something while doing it. No one said I was a math major, but the numbers are correct now, and they still don’t work.)

This salary is $3.77 million over the cap, and relies heavily on way too many hings going perfectly for the Habs.

Hockey Wilderness

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by BReynolds on May 29, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually expect Kovie to go to the KHL

I’m not ruling out that he may sign with an NHL team, but the GM who does so has to suffer the duration of Kovie’s contract with the nickname ’’bananas’’, because I think he’ll be seriously overpriced if he actually gets10M a year…If he signs a reasonable 7M, then good move by the GM, but it won’t happen.

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by JSLandry on May 30, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

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