Mikko Koivu Or The Capitals' Nicklas Backstrom?
Hey all,
I'm a big Penguins fan, but I've taken quite an interest in the recent Koivu signing. I stumbled upon the reaction over at behind the net, so I figured I'd check out Koivu's stats and see what he was all about. It turns out that he plays tough minutes everywhere on the ice, and still comes out with some killer numbers.
I then saw a fanpost at Japers Rink that was comparing Nicklas Backstrom's contract to Mikko's. When I said that Koivu might be equal to Backstrom, well...you can imagine the reaction. My questions to you guys are: What do you think of Koivu? Is he an elite player? Is he underrated because he doesn't get the benefit of circumstance like others, or am I just crazy?
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I’ll give you the short version.
Yes. Mikko is an elite level center. He is not an offensive juggernaut, due mostly to the fact that he does not have a solid wing to skate with. Backstrom is a great center with the best wing in the league. Put Backstrom on the line Mikko plays on, no way he scores 100 points. Put Mikko on a line with AO, I bet he scores 100 points easy.
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If you have time, I’d love to hear the long version :)
But that’s basically the jist of what I’ve been thinking the past couple of days. I think the way the majority of fans judge players is biased by the media’s obsession with highlight reel play and short, unrepresentative sets of data. No one cares that Koivu or Parise or Nash skate really tough minutes and shoulder an immense load of their team’s play. If they’re not scoring goals, they can’t be good, right?
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Funny you should mention those 3
If I’m starting a new franchise, they are my first 3 selections.
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Agreed
3 of my favorite players right there. Whenever I make a fantasy draft on my PS2 (yup that’s right, not PS3, PS2!), I usually have Koivu and one or two between Parise, Nash, Savard, and Backstrom (WSH’s Backstrom)
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Parise along side Koivu. :) I wouldn’t even mind Miettinen on the top line then haha.
If Kovy signs with the Devils they have an excess of LW and are tight against the cap and Parise is looking for a big raise.
Havlat and Burns for Rolston and Parise.
Wild get perfect winger for Koivu and Devils get RW and get rid of Rolston’s contract.
Let a guy dream…
You'd be willing to break up Havlatendresse?
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With the Devils probably signing Kovy I just don’t see how they can keep Parise and they would definitely love a way out of Rolston’s contract. Havlat and Rolston have NTC’s but I am sure would both be willing to waive. IMO it is an overpayment but I’d be shocked to see the devils reject that. They need a RW and a young puck moving defensemen.
Ship Clutterbuck and Brunette to San Jose for Clowe. Ship Miettinen for picks.
Parise-Koivu-Clowe
BTE-Cullen-PMB
Rolston-Brodziak-Kobasew
Nystrom-Sheppard-Staubitz
Guaranteed playoff team. Sorry, no more NHL10 for me. :)
You’d be willing to break up Havlatendresse?
Genius!! :)
by Call of the Wild on Jul 24, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha
Maybe from now on, we’ll call that line Cullavlatendresse
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Nash is such a stud in my eyes. The guy plays with no one against the West’s best on a nightly basis and still comes out looking like an elite offensive guy.
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He even managed to win a Rocket Richard trophy a couple years ago!
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I didn’t even know that. I don’t know if it’s possible, but he went up quite a few notches in my book.
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It was actually a three way tie between him, Iginla and.... I don't remember... wanna say Kovalchuk, but really not sure about this one... Nash and Iginla for sure anyway
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Here’s my dream line: Nash – Crosby – Parise. They’d probably be a +16484 on the year while contributing 38398545 points.
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Bryan's right on the money on this one
Nicky B has the huge benefit of playing with the world’s most dangerous sniper, but I actually think that on most nights, Backstrom actually out-plays OV. That being said, I can say with a straight face that M.K is every bit as good as Backstrom in his own way. They each have their set of strengths and I think most GMs would have trouble picking between the two. They would probably pick Backstrom because of his age and well, let’s face it, he’s more popular.
M.K. does it all for us, he’s the #1 center, #1 on PP, #1 on PK, #1 on faceoffs (very highly ranked in the league too), he carries the team on his back while climbing Mt. Everest, he’s the heart and soul of the team, he’s everything to the Wild, and we can easily say he’s the best player to ever don the forest green and Iron range red (Sorry Gaby!)
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Before we get into a flame war with Caps
I think all of us can agree that Backstrom is an extremely talented player. However, if he wasn’t on a line with AO, he would not acheieved such high point totals so quickly. But I don’t mean his totals would drop from 100 to 20, he is still talented and would have achieved something still impressive for a 22 year old.
If needed a center to give me a goal, I would put out NB for sure. He is more talented than Koivu offensively. However, if I needed a center to win me an important faceoff, to kill a penalty, or to shutdown their star player, I would put out MK. Preventing goals is just as important as scoring them.
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by danccchan on Jul 19, 2010 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know, I just can’t get over what would happen is they switched roles. What if Koivu were in Backstrom’s shoes the last two years and vice versa? Would we think Backstrom is still more talented offensively? I don’t think so. I think we’d see Koivu as one of the best players in the world who chews up SE competition on a nightly basis. I mean you guys have watched more Koivu than I have, but I think he’s a product of his environment. He was never given the chance or opportunity Backstrom was.
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It’s just impossible to tell. They both play in different situations, with different people and against different people.
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It’s impossible to tell for sure, but we can still make some educated guesses. I
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but most fans aren't educated...
its extremely hard to tell. In one case, you have a young talented playmaking center paired with a probable future hall of famer, and will be named amongst the greats in NHL history (just saying, he has at least 13 years ahead of him and look what he’s done already). The other winger is probably talented as well (don’t know who the 3rd person on the line is)
On the other hand, you have two-way playmaking Koivu, paired with a slow, complimentary playmaer (skilled, but lets face it, Brunette isn’t going to create offense on his own) and Miettinen, who can’t hit the net.
You can’t compare them, saying one is better than the other. Not only are they is different situations, they both have strengths in different areas. Backstrom’s strength is his playmaking offensive skills. Koivu’s strengths is his two-way game, his ability to play in his zone excellently while versatile enough to provide some offense.
I’m not saying Backstrom is purely a product of the line or the Cap’s system, but lets face it, every player stats is very dependant to the team’s success. For example, our own Niklas Backstrom, a good goalie, but is he really a Vezina regular candidate? Past years, he seemed to be, but once we changed systems, you could see the flaws. Whats not to say that won’t happen to Nicklas Backstrom if he were to play in Minnesota instead of the Capitals? Still, does it really matter? Backstrom is signed for a long time and we’ll be AO’s twin for pretty much his entire career so you don’t have to worry if he’s just a product because he’ll just keep racking in his 100 point seasons at a cheap contract. Thats all that matters.
But to answer you questions, I believe Koivu is a very good #1 center. Probably not elite, named amongst Datsyuk or Thornton, but still a very very good one. He is underrated, yes because of the benefits that others enjoy, but mainly because his strengths are leadership, defensive play, faceoffs, ability to protect the puck, hockey IQ to know where to be at the right times etc etc. stuff that won’t show up on the stat sheet. Like Bryan and Russo mentioned, if you don’t pay attention to Koivu on the ice, you won’t notice these things. The reason why Wild fans are able to see it, is because on Koivu’s line, he is the most entertaining to watch so we keep our eyes locked on him, so we notice the little things he does.
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by danccchan on Jul 20, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In some games, Koivu seems to be the only one actually working on the ice!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: While you can’t tell (in my opinion) who’s better between Koivu, Datsyuk, Thornton, Backstrom, etc. I think there’s no doubt in my mind that Koivu is the one that’s worth the most to his team, by far, which I think more than justifies his contract. Take Backstrom, Datsyuk, Thornton away from their respective teams, it’s likely they’re still strong enough to get to the playoffs. Take Koivu away, the Wild falls apart.
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That was basically my argument this year as to why Crosby should have won the Hart. Sure VAN and WSH are hurt if they lose Henrik and AO, but the Penguins plummet without Crosby.
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Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying that
Malkin was more than enough to keep the Pens afloat the year he won the Art Ross when SC was injured, correct?
This year was different though because Crosby was the one supplying the goals this time around.
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Malkin was more than enough to keep the Pens afloat the year he won the Art Ross when SC was injured, correct?
Yes, but this year was totally different. It was Crosby or bust.
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You can’t compare them, saying one is better than the other. Not only are they is different situations, they both have strengths in different areas.
I really wish I had more than one rec to give you.
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Alot of the critcism I've seen
seems to come from either Pens or Caps fans. Which, no offense, seem to contain the largest percentage of bandwagoneers in the league, which leads to a plethora of ignorant hockey comments. They all want to compare him to Crosby or Backstrom as if those two teams are comparable at all with the team Koivu plays on. So many people bash the guy and the contract on forums, and I’m willing to bet 90% of them haven’t even seen him play a game.
seems to come from either Pens or Caps fans. Which, no offense, seem to contain the largest percentage of bandwagoneers in the league.
And Hawks fans to complete the bandwagon fan hat trick haha.
So many people bash the guy and the contract on forums, and I’m willing to bet 90% of them haven’t even seen him play a game.
Couldn’t agree more with this part. A majority of those people were only focusing on stats and saying overpayment, Mikko shouldn’t be making more than (insert player here who had more points than him last year) etc. Got old real fast.
by Call of the Wild on Jul 28, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A majority of those people were only focusing on stats
It’s not that people are focusing on the stats, but rather are ignoring the stats that are screaming “Mikko Koivu is a lot better than his point totals give him credit for!”
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Of course, I didn’t mean to imply that was happening here, I’m just so tired of feeling like I have to defend our best player against nincompoops.
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