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Hello brothers and sisters. No, I am not dead. The explanation for my lack of stories as of late is that my soccer coaching duties were eating away at my free time. In the last week, we've had the ''privilege'' of reading some ''grade A'' material out of hockeybuzz.com concerning the Wild and how well (or not) they are projected to do next season. Thehockeynews.com projects the Wild will finish 13th in the West. Am I the only one who doesn't get why everyone would grade the Wild so low?

Let's talk about this, jump with me will you?

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It seems like everyone is projecting the Wild will finish LOWER than they did last season, which to me is simply preposterous. To me, there are so many factors that point to the Wild having a much BETTER season come October. First and foremost, let's look at last season's depth chart (in no particular order):

Centers: Mikko Koivu- Andrew Ebbett- Kyle Brodziak - James Sheppard -Casey Wellman - Cody Almond

Left Wings: Andrew Brunette- Guillaume Latendresse- Robbie Earl- Derek Boogaard - Chuck Kobasew

Right Wings: Antti Miettinen - Martin Havlat - Cal Clutterbuck - Owen Nolan - Petr Kalus

Defensemen: Nick Schultz - Marek Zidlicky - Brent Burns - Cam Barker - Shane Hnidy- Greg Zanon - Nate Prosser-John Scott - Clayton Stoner - Maxim Noreau - Justin Falk

Goalies: Niklas Backstrom - Josh Harding - Anton Khudobin - Wade Dubielewicz.

 

Now here's what it's shaping up to be for next season:

Brunette-Koivu-PMB

Latendresse-Cullen-Havlat

Kobasew-Brodziak-Miettinen

Nystrom-Madden-Clutterbuck        (Madden and Brodziak could be switched up)

 

extras: Staubitz, Sheppard, Wellman, Earl

 

Burns-Barker

Zidlicky-Schultz

Zanon-Stoner

Extras: Prosser, Cuma, Scandella

 

Backstrom

Harding

Khudobin

Endras

Hackett

 

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but on paper (or on screen), this is looking much better than what we had in 2009-10.

As I said earlier, there are so many reasons in my mind as to why the Wild should be able to do at least better than last season.

1) The imminent return of PMB. While he is sure to be covered in rust in his first few games, once he gets back on track, he'll be a better option on the top line than Miettinen ever was at the very least. We're talking about a guy who once reached 50 assists, and before you tell me that it does no good without a scorer, let's ponder on this: Crosby was touted one of the league's premier passers... until this year where he is now sharing the Rocket's trophy with Steven Stamkos. Don't you think Koivu can at least make it to 30-35 goals playing with PMB? Koivu has one of the best one-timers in the league IMO. The only downside, PMB will probably be more fragile than ever and even less willing to play the slightest bit of physical hockey.

2) A true 2nd line center in Matt Cullen. Sure the guy never made it past 49 points, but he's never had the privilege of playing alongside guys like Havlat and Latendresse. Again, he's supposed to prove a much better option on the 2nd line than Ebbett and Brodziak. Sure they did alright, but were clearly out of place. Cullen also has more experience than probably anyone the Wild have ever put at that particular position, and should be able to surpass the 50 point mark if he stays healthy, and believe it or not, we usually don't have too many 50 point players on the team. Also, if all goes well, Cullen will give a boost to Havlatendresse, which brings me to...

3) Having the Latendresse-Havlat tandem a full season (hopefully). Latendresse came to the Wild like a ray of hope, shining bright and cutting through the black clouds surrounding the team at the time. His timely and numerous goals gave the team a much needed lift. It also shot a spark up Havlat's ass to get him moving. You would be downright stupid to deny that Latendresse's arrival pratically saved the 09-10 season from being a complete failure. The dynamic duo ravaged their opponents night in and night out with skillful plays and passing. The Wild were finally winning strings of games, so imagine starting the season with this duo. You can bet your bottom dollar we won't start the season with some ridiculous 2-12 record. If they can stay healthy, their point totals and chemistry will grow, especially if Cullen meshes well with them. This now brings me to...

4) Havlat is unlikely to suck as much as he did in the beginning of last season. Look for a bounce back season from him, now that he has some teammates who can keep up with him. He played with Koivu, and it didn't work. Turns out Havlat didn't find chemistry with anyone, at all. Most nights, it was like he was trying too hard to do it all by himself. Then Latendresse arrived and he found the shoe that fit. He starting having some hot streaks here and there, often playing the best out of all Wild players. I would have a hard time imagining that he would have as slow a start this time around. Let's play with some numbers a bit: In the first half of the season (at the Wild's 41 game mark), Havlat was scoring about 0.657 points a game. In the second half of the season, he was scoring around 0.815 points per game. Keep in mind that the Havlatendresse duo was conceived very close to the beginning of the second half. The Wild will rely heavily on Havlat for the rest of his contract term, so if he can keep up the good work alongside his linemates, they should be alright.

5) The acquisition of Nystrom, Madden and Staubitz will now give us 4 lines to roll with. There was a reason our 4th line didn't see much ice-time in 09-10: It was horrible. Let's face it , a trio made up of Sheppard, Boogaard and flavor of the week (Kalus, Earl, and the like) wasn't giving goalies nightmares (although Boogs gave enough nightmares to anyone he showed his murder face to). Playing with only 3 lines made the Wild tired, predictable and less effective overall. You can't over-estimate the usefullness of the 4th line. It isn't called an energy line for nothing. Sure they aren't out there to score goals, but they shouldn't be hurting the team either. This is where guys like Madden (although he could easily be on the third line), Nystrom and Stubitz come in. These are guys who can play with a lot of grit, energy and effort, can pot in a couple of goals here and there and are sound in their own end. In fact, Madden is a former Selke winner for top defensive forward in the league and was nominated many more times and Staubitz was a defenseman in the minors (according to NHL 09 on PS3, not sure if it's accurate or not). Believe it or not, the Wild problem last year wasn't the lack of goals, it was terrible turnovers and poor positional play that led to way too many goals against, including the league's highest number of shorties allowed. Look for those numbers to change with guys like Madden, Nystrom and Staubitz in the fold, and even Cullen, who could all see some time on the PK (Staubitz probably less likely though). Again, this point brings me to my next one...

6) Special teams are likely going to be better. We kept talking about how bad oour powerplay was, yet we finished 10th in the league. 1st for shorties allowed isn't good though. The Wild were in unfamiliar ground at 14th on the PK. They scored a measly 4 goals shorthanded. Look for these numbers to change for a number of reasons: Better organization because of more experience with the new system, better PK players, who have been known to score shorthanded, Rick Wilson, the new assistant coach, specializes in defense, so we're likely going to give up less goals.

7) Deepest prospect pool we've had in awhile, with a couple of them probably seeing some NHL action this year. Wellman, Prosser, Granlund, Palmer, Cuma, Scandella, Noreau, Broda, Almond, Hackett, Haula, etc. Couple of years ago, the list looked something like this: Pouliot, Sheppard, Gillies, Stoner, Irmen, Kalus... Mouth-watering isn't it? We've already had a taste of some of them, and I think we can be pleased with most of them. The future's looking brighter and brighter.

8) New front-office, new bench bosses, 2nd year. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is going to be much better oriented this year than they were last year. 09-10 training camp could've been described as... unorthodox, to put it gently. It confused a lot of people, no one was physically and mentally ready, the players that mattered most hadn't had enough coaching and it resulted in a fucking mess of an October. This year, the management and coaching staffs have learned from their mistakes and are better prepared. These are things we don't always think about, but they can affect the on-ice product largely. Fletch has done an AMAZING job so far, and those who don't agree need to get their head checked. He did a WHOLE lot of rebuilding via trade, signings and re-signings, hiring new staff members, such as minor league coaches, who are very important to the development of our prospects, new scouting staff, director of player development (that's what it's called right? Regardless, it's a position new to the Wild) and the Wild's coaching staff.

9) To me, there's no possible way the Wild can be as unlucky as it was in terms of injuries. The Wild lost the 2nd highest number of man-games played last year, in large part because of PMB, whom I maintain his presence alone last year could've pushed us into the playoffs, but with the number of times we said that about Gaborik, we're used to it by now right?

 

Overall, the Wild's going to be a very different beast from what it was 12 months ago, and they keep progressing. I always find predictions, especially those for the next season, to be utter bullshit. I don't see how stats and odds can decide how a season will go down. So many things can happen during the course of a season. Trades, injuries, on-ice miracles, off-ice mishaps (like the great Ottawa fire...you know what I'm talking about). Who the fuck predicted with a straight face that the Habs would eliminate both the Caps and the Pens? Who expected Philly to make their miracle comeback against the Bruins? Who expected Olli Jokinen to return to Calgary? See what I mean? Any team can be the champion, it all depends on what happens during the course of the season. There are some things you just can't put a number on (especially not a fake one)

Of course I'm not saying there's no way the Wild can lose, I'm not crazy, it's just that it pisses me off to see people writing them off so soon, without properly explaining why. Going back to the Habs, 3 years ago (I think), ''experts'' were predicting 12th in the East for them. The Habs waved their middle finger at the entire league by finishing 1st in the conference, almost grabbing the President's trophy. You never know right?

So there you have it, I'm not saying they're a shoo-in to make the playoffs, but I'm very much expecting it. Last year I knew they weren't going to make the playoffs because it was a completely new era. This time around, they're ready.

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by danccchan on Aug 13, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Great article anyways soul twin (or however you described it as)

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by danccchan on Aug 13, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, I may be a homer, but I'm proud of it!

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Havlat

The better division with Havlat is when he returned from injury in December. He had a groin/hip injury in camp that was nagging him early in the season. Once he returned from that injury, he was a completely different player:

Oct 3 – Nov 18: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts = 0.10 gpg and 0.42 ppg
Dec 2 – Apr 5: 54gp 16g 30a 46pts = 0.29 gpg and 0.85 ppg

And if you extrapolate those later numbers on a full 82 game season, you get 24g and 70pts which is about his average performance.

by Jarick on Aug 13, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

You make a good point

I forgot about that groin injury, while he did not miss that many games, it did keep him from playing to his full potential to some degree.

70 pts in 82 games is something we didn’t see too often from Wild players, and it’s guaranteed to give us a boost in the standings.

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good article.

I fully expect the Wild to be a much more stable team this year. Last year was the first year in a completely new system. They played like it at the beginning of the season. By the end of the season, the guys still able to skate were completely worn down by the number of injuries the team had to absorb during the year and the fact that the team was essentially only playing three lines.

I think the missed games and the three lines have a lot to do with what happened after the Olympics last year. The team could get away with this approach a bit more in JL’s system. They could sit back, wait for the puck to come to them and then move the puck up the ice… or try to hit Gabby streaking. In Richards far more active system, especially in up ice fore-check and the energy used up there, I think that guys were breaking down more, playing with less energy and with a lot more small injuries.

Okay, so what do we see this year? We have 4 legitimate lines. Yes, we’re still lacking a top tier scorer, but our top two lines look a lot better, especially if PMB can slot in for Mitts. We have strength up the middle, with actually competition at center. We have taken some of the defensive center responsibility off of Mikko. We have a pool of more talented young guys putting pressure on the starters… and providing real options during injuries. Most importantly, the team has had a year in the system, and should be much more able to take play within it.

Also, don’t underestimate the stress the Wild management are putting on the players showing up in GOOD physical shape and ready to get the season started. There is enough depth now that players will have to fit for a spot on the team, or on a higher line. I expect the see the Wild a whole lot sharper at the beginning of the season.

by Krotz the Wall on Aug 13, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

A 10th to 13th finish is realistic

I haven’t read anyone elses’ analysis. I’m making this statement purely on my own take. I have two reasons to believe we’ll end up 10th-13th this year:

1) Everyone in the West appears they should be as good or better than they were last year
2) I still don’t see a goal scorer on this team; as the football John Madden would say: “the team that scores more points than the other team will win the game.”

I hope to be proven wrong as there is always the potential in response to #1, teams may not be as good as they look (and vice versa), and in response to #2, a goal score could emerge at any time. That is all we have at this point, though, “hope.”

There is no argument the Wild are a better team. I’m excited about watching this team develop, but I’m not ready to say this is the season it “all comes together.” Of course, predictions are just that, predictions.

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by redheadzeb on Aug 13, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

The way I see it, the goal scorer could very well be G-Lat, and I'm sure Koivu and Bruno can pot 25-30 with PMB on the wing.

Plus, we’re likely going to allow a LOT less goals this time around. I don’t think Nashville, Calgary or Anaheim got any better. Dallas should also finish under us, as well as Columbus. If we don’t make the playoffs, we’re going to be painfully close. No way are they finishing 13th.

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not every team in the West got better. Calgary didn’t… I mean, they signed Jokinen, but what else have they done? Chicago hasn’t gotten better. Sure, they are still pretty damn good, but they certainly did not get better.

Detroit got marginally better, but I would even argue that they didn’t. They re-inked Lidstrom, who is 40. They signed Modano, who is 40. They have Bertuzzi, who is pushing 40. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have more yesterdays than they do tomorrows in this league as well. I am not saying that either guy has lost a step, but they are entering injury prone years. Jimmy Howard in net is still a relative unknown, and Chris Osgood is a joke at this point.

Edmonton didn’t get any better. Sure, they have the #1 overall pick, but he will take a couple years to really make a difference. He could score 60 goals and they would still finish at the bottom. Colorado has done absolutely nothing this offseason. Now, they were a pretty good team as it was, but still, they didn’t get any better.

Most of the teams at the top stayed the same, which is pretty good. Teams at the bottom almost look to have given up and gotten worse, and of the teams in the middle, I like the moves the Wild made more than I like the moves of say… Nashville.

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by BReynolds on Aug 13, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did say “as good” meaning not much worse ;0) j/k It was wrong to use the definitive “every.” I hate using definitives; I know better than that—especially on the Interwebs.

Points taken JS and Brian. I get your arguments and applaud the optimism. I suppose I am one that prefers tempered expectations.

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by redheadzeb on Aug 13, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you did not take that as a challenge… I was just pointing out my opinion. I certainly do not think the Wild are suddenly going to rocket past the Hawks, Wings, and Sharks to the top seed in the West, but I can certainly see them competing in the division, and securing a playoff spot.

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by BReynolds on Aug 13, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, I was just messing with ya ;)

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by redheadzeb on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here Bryan, it's like you read my mind and decided to steal what was in it...;)

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Detroit also has Hudler coming back, who is very solid.

by Kingpin45 on Aug 13, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed about Huds

I think Detroit will be better this year. Maybe 48 wins ish. This is barring the injury issues they had this year, of course.

They have all their great young PK guys signed, who all imrpoved their killing from something in the bottom half of the league (08-09) to something around 8th (09-10).

Hudler and Modano on the 3rd line? Yeeeah.

Someone mentioned Lidstrom.
About Lidstrom being 40…well did ANYONE see the 2nd half of his season? He had about 29 pts in his last 37 games. If the Wings had been healthy, he easily could have had that same pace in the first 45 games of the season….then he would have had 64 points. Yeah, 40 and still THAT good? Oh, and 10 points in 12 playoff games. Man, he is slowing down a LOT.

And Pav and Zetterberg entering injury prone times? They both are in their primes. Datsyuk rarely ever misses time, and Zetterberg will probably miss 6-10 games, as usual.

I definitely agree about Jimmy being a question mark though. But facing less shots (which he will), and having some good experience. Plus a guy with almost 400 career wins mentoring him? I am HOPING he leans away from sophomore slump.

by plopperrawr on Aug 14, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that the Wild could very well finish in 8th this year. If you look at all the points we lost in the beginning of last season because of the system, and then you look at how the system started to settle in, we’ll at least make a run for a playoff spot. And that’s performing at the same level we did last year, which was less than inspiring.

It would’ve taken only 6 more wins from last years squad to finish in 8th. I think that is very, very doable. We just gotta hope that nobody else makes a huge jump too! Haha

by ADN on Aug 13, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

There ist hat word again: "hope"

In reality, “hope” is what one has for their favorite teams every season, because you just can’t predict what exactly happens in the future.

This season, I feel there are too many variables to which we need to “hope” favor our team. That doesn’t mean I won’t be supporting them 110%—I will. I’m looking forward to see how it turns out.

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by redheadzeb on Aug 13, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very valid point

A lot of ifs and maybes, but I wrote this post simply to show that on paper, we’re much better than people think. There are a lot of things that could go right, but a lot that could go wrong too… About the 6 wins needed, that’s why I say PMB could’ve pushed us into the playoffs last season

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there is more hope this year, and less variables/question marks. Burns won’t be scared of his head anymore, Havlat finally realized that he knows how to play hockey, Backstrom and Harding will both be healed up. MAYBE getting Bouchard back, hopefully rendering Mittens as a 3rd liner? That would be excellent. Oh and a full year to learn the new coaching system, so this year there shouldn’t be so many odd man rushes at Backstrom.

I think things are looking up for the Wild. Maybe a playoff year?

by plopperrawr on Aug 14, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you Tara :)

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to nitpick...

But Ebbett is with Phoenix now, and the Wild finished 13th last season, so a projected finish of 13th this year wouldn’t necessarily mean they got worse. A lot of the teams in the West got better. Only the Blue Jackets really didn’t get that much better on paper.

by JDesthubert on Aug 13, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

What does Ebbett have to do with this?

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad

I thought it said this year’s depth chart at the top. My apologies

by JDesthubert on Aug 13, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok! haha I thought you were implying that Ebbett's departure was going to hurt us.

Technically, you’re right, being 13th wouldn’t necessarily mean we got worse, but I would have a very hard time imagining the Wild finishing 13th. Honestly, I think they got better than Dallas, Columbus, Edmonton, Calgary and Nashville, at the very least. Maybe even Anaheim, who didn’t really get better. Of course, we never know what will happen during the course of the season, but if the Wild are 13th this year, color me surprised (and pissed)

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

I think with the quality at center we should be 8-10 in the West. I get the feeling the Jackets and the Oil will remain solidly below us. The Flames are ripe to fall, but I don’t count them totally out because of Kipper. Nashville always surprises me with how well they play, so they’re a wild card in my view. I’m iffy on the Ducks. If they re-sign Ryan, maybe they’re better, but they are getting older.

by JDesthubert on Aug 13, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

We can’t underestimate the fact that Nashville lost a solid back-up/starter and their captain, and Anaheim lost Niedermeyer, which leaves a big hole on D.

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by JSLandry on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Nashville wins by their coaching, not their players. I mean…name 5 forwards on Nashville. It ain’t easy, LOL. But Pekka Rinne is a much better goalie than anyone gives him credit for. Look at his career stats! Imagine if he had been on a team with more talent. I think Nashville will be fine if Rinne starts 60-65 games for them this season. I see them finishing 7th-9th. But I’ve been wrong before!!!

by plopperrawr on Aug 14, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with yo Plop. Trotz may not be the best coach in the league, but he’s still one hell of a coach. Always seems to get the most out of every player, and that steals games for a team that may not be the most talented on the ice.

by JDesthubert on Aug 14, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

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