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Logic and Respect: What a Noble Concept

As you hopefully have read, either through the link Nathan provided earlier, or by reading it directly from Puck Daddy, as you should be as part of your daily assigned reading, there are NHL teams that have decided it is better to live in the last decade, rather than move ahead with the rest of the world.

I'll keep the main page part of this short. Make the jump and discuss this further, should you so choose.

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The newest proposal suggests that bloggers be segregated from the rest of the media, in what I like to call the Jim Crow laws for media. Separate but equal has always worked so well in the past in this country, why not apply it to the media covering a sporting event as well, right?

Before you jump on me, no, I do not equate the civil rights of an entire population of people to be the same as being denied a credential to cover a hockey game. What I mean by this comparison is that some people refuse to take lessons learned in the past and apply them to present day situations.

Are there different classes of media? Sure there are, and anyone who tells you different is more delusional than the media people with the Oilers. Radio is different from television, both are different from newspapers, and all are different from blogs. Each have their own standards for their professionalism, and for their journalistic ethics.

How often have Vikings fans heard Paul Allen call a play over the waves of KFAN and wondered, "just how objective can this guy be?" Never, that's how many. Radio people don't need to be objective, they are calling the game, they are supposed to bring excitement. Anyone ever heard Mike Greenlay bad mouth a call the refs made? Is that objective? No, and most likely if they suddenly became objective, they would lose their jobs.

What if Michael Russo did the same thing? What if Russo jumped up and down or yelled when the Wild scored? What if Russo wasn't objective? Would he then be stripped of his credential? Maybe, but I have my doubts.

If Russo criticizes the team, using factual accounts and statistics, would he be stripped of his credential? Absolutely not, he would instead be praised for his objective, rational look at how the team is performing, calling out the team for under performing for their fans, for protecting the interests of his readers.

However, even within the well established newspaper business, there is a loophole. What is Jim Souhan criticized the Wild, using no stats, no rational logic, just a gut feeling. What if he used terms like "The Cult of 18000" such as Patrick Ruesse often does? Would they be stripped of their credentials for doing so? No way. Instead, they are praised for their creative take on the game, and hide behind the "columnist" tag, giving them the right to write whatever they so choose.

After all, it is their opinion, and a credentialed one at that.

The question comes down to why the teams cannot put forth the effort to weed out who deserves a credential and who does not? Would the Wild credential the National Enquirer? While I don't work for the Wild, and have not asked them, I have strong doubts. Would the Wild credential say, the gossip columnist from the Star Tribune? I have my doubts there as well.

So if it isn't the organization you work for, and it isn't the type of article you write, and it isn't the opinion vs fact argument, what is it? The medium in which it is delivered? As I have said before, I read the StarTrib online everyday, so that can't be it, can it? I mean, Russo provides more information in his blog, and in a faster manner than do his articles. (No, don't stop reading the Trib, Russo's articles a re still pretty good.)

You see, this argument has been hashed and rehashed and then fried, eaten, digested, used as fertilizer, grow into a new argument and hashed again. The way it all boils down is this:

Why can I not get a credential because someone else did something stupid? Just because one blogger in Edmonton acted like an idiot should not bar me from covering games anymore than David Fuller acting like an idiot should prevent Russo from covering an event. Even if you go to the example Wysh gives of my fellow SBN blogger not being credentialed by the Rangers because of actions he undertook, that should not mean I cannot interview Rangers players anymore than Jim Souhan saying or doing something stupid should bar Russo from doing so.

While none of my opinion on the subject likely matter to anyone except myself and my children, it all seems like a massive waste of everyone's time. It is only a hockey game. Allow people who apply for a credential to prove their worth. Allow a "try-out" period. A credential is always revocable, no matter who the bearer is. Why not drop the histrionics and just do the right thing here?

Sigh.

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Worst part of the Blueshirt Banter aspect?

They didn’t do anything but cover the rally. Didn’t sponsor it, didn’t speak at it, didn’t support it, just covered it. Apparently that was egregious according to the morons at MSG. And yes, they are pathetic.

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by nathaneide on Aug 26, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Amazing. You certainly wouldn’t want a journalist to report on a story concerning the team they cover.

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by BReynolds on Aug 26, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to throw in my two cents

For full disclosure I was at the rally (I was going to the game after it) and I stopped by to give out my card. Do you know what I did while I was there?

I hung out with all the beat reporters, who were also there, doing the exact same thing I was. Taking notes, and preparing to write about it. A picture of me ended up in the New York Post, although I didn’t realize that’s what the picture was going to be of, and no one mentioned Blueshirt Banter by name in the article.

That was the extent of our involvement.

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 26, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerk

You’re clearly an Anti-Dolan dick.

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by nathaneide on Aug 26, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

How dare you report on something happening involving the team you cover, sir. How dare you, I say.

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by BReynolds on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering

that blogs are the first news source that I probe, this really angers me. When I see a headline involving a team I immediately head over to their sbnation website to check out their take on things. Newpapers give you only the skeleton of the story, while blogs flesh it out with the opinions of fans and more useful analysis.

by ADN on Aug 26, 2010 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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by JSLandry on Aug 26, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's just too much rational thinking

I mean, really, looking for an informed opinion? Not cool

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by redheadzeb on Aug 26, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That there is sarcasm. Just because you can’t say it enough these days. FTW

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by redheadzeb on Aug 26, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Sorry guys. I read this blog, I like it, I support it, but I can’t get behind the Jim Crow comparison. It’s business, not human rights. I don’t even think there’s an illusion of equality anyway.

Even though I blog, I really can’t get behind press credentials for bloggers, no matter how much I like the bloggers. I think a better avenue is to be something more than a blog, and you’re working toward it; you’ve written articles for Wild.com and were working the scene during the summer camps. It’s just insane to expect to go from self-publishing to NHL credentials. Sure, maybe it happens, but there’s no need to march on Toronto to demand all bloggers (meeting some minimum standard) should be able to zoom to the top.

This reminds me of the movie the Jerk, when Mr. Hartoonian says “Kids these days. They don’t wanna start at the bottom and work their way up. They wanna start at the top, and work their way sideways!”

Damn, I thought of about 8 other things I could have included in my RWD post of meanness.

by Runninwiththedogs on Aug 27, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

While I respect your right to disagree, you have missed the point completely. The Jim Crow comparison, as I stated in the post, was not meant to compare this to human rights. It has to do with the fact that people continue to believe that “separate but equal” means anything but separate. The teams against bloggers want them penned up in a separate area, away from other reporters. They claim that this would give them equal access, but in a separate manner.

That is the comparison. Not in that hockey in any way compares to the struggle for equal rights under the law. The fact that I state that in the post should have been the first clue.

As for your belief that bloggers should not be credentialed, I ask you why not? Do we not report on the team? While your definition of what your blog is and strives to be is your business, this blog wishes to have access to the team, and believes that access will improve the work we do. Many bloggers have come out to say that they don’t want access, that they don’t feel it would improve their coverage. We do want it, and we do believe it will improve our coverage.

As for The Jerk quote, I started at the bottom. I had my own blog. I worked my ass off, and joined up here. My work here has led to writing gigs with the parent company SBN, and with outside sites such as PHN and The Fourth Period. The insinuation that we feel we deserve something for nothing is insulting.

We have worked hard to make this blog what it is, and we have reached a point where we feel we need access to continue making it better. No one, not one person I have ever spoken to on this issue believes that all blogs deserve credentials, and no where have I ever said anything to that point. It is not insane to believe blogs can earn NHL credentials, in fact it is reality, and will only continue to grow, so long as people with the ability to write and do a professional job continue to push for that right.

I hope you do not take offense to this reply. We have shared a fairly good relationship (such as it can be online), but I strongly disagree with your opinion on this.

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by BReynolds on Aug 27, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m speaking of blogs in general re: the Jerk quotation and a lot of the other things I say. Sorry that that was ambiguous. You guys clearly ARE working your way up, like I said, with the stuff you’ve done w/the Wild over the summer and other things you’ve mentioned. But there are TONS of bloggers out there who fancy themselves worthy of credentials who have done nothing but set up a blog and write stuff. Which feels like more than it is. (I also do not consider cross-posting/contributing to multiple blogs any different or a sign that a blogger is more quality; contributing to sites like FanHouse, Wild.com, etc is different, though.)

As for separate but equal, I think they’re making it pretty clear bloggers are both separate and INequal, not even bothering with the illusion of equality.

So how many people get these passes? What if there are 10 bloggers who meet the guidelines in a specific market? That means 10 visiting team bloggers and 10 home team bloggers (because of course these bloggers would be going on the road with the team, since it’s not just a hobby) all clamoring for space in the locker room and the chance to ask a question that will be answered by a platitude. What about the 11th person? And the 12th? How many people get crammed in? Or is it on a rotating basis? Does longevity count or does a brilliant new face on the scene get priority?

There are some shitty ass blogs on SBN. Not this one, but there are.

Simply blogging, I think, is not enough. So many bloggers want the perks of being a journalist without taking on the stress of deadlines, travel, covering shitty sports you don’t want to. They either harbor dreams of it being their livelihood (which are a joke in most cases) or they just want to keep on keepin’ on but with more privileges. I know the criteria posted stipulates bloggers must be employed as bloggers in order to qualify, but you guys have already stated you think that’s too narrow.

If bloggers want to be journalists, be journalists. Yep, it’s very competitive. Yep, print media is dying and newspapers are bankrupt. Ready… get set… GO!

(This is a topic for a different day, but I think blogging as a form of employment is a bubble, granted on a smaller scale than real estate or internet start ups.)

by Runninwiththedogs on Aug 27, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I like your argument.

But it makes me wonder why NHL teams aren’t willing to spend time analyzing these bloggers and deciding for themselves which blogsite is good and which are not.

I know most of us cannot stand Eklund and I think I might murder someone if they give him credentials. But there are some sites that do put forth the effort in providing it’s fanbase an interesting, if not quirky, view of the team.

Simply put, I agree with you that teams shouldn’t give out access to blogs that provide low quality articles but I think the main problem is that the term ‘blogger’ assumes that all blogsites are of the same quality, which is just not true.

If HW is not considered to be satisfactory by the Wild’s standards, then there is nothng we can do but live with it. But with guidelines that eliminate bloggers altogether and with teams segragating blog writers, regardless of quality, I personally think it’s being ignorant, pushing aside potential media outlets that can only help the teams publc relations with it’s fans.

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by danccchan on Aug 28, 2010 2:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not only does Eklund have creds, he is a member of the PHWA because he makes his money “writing” about hockey. Also, the “writers” for his site have been awarded creds.

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by BReynolds on Aug 28, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh he HAS creds?

…well…i might have to murder someone…

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by danccchan on Aug 29, 2010 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

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