Who is the most expendable member of the Minnesota Wild?
No one can deny that the Wild improved with the draft day blockbuster trade with San Jose. We added a great scorer in Setoguchi and added Coyle and Phillips to the cupboard. Eight games into the season and we're already seeing the results of Chuck Fletcher's drafting. As sad as it is to say, with three assists, rookie Brett Bulmer has shown himself to be one of the most productive members of the Minnesota Wild roster. He plays with a good sense of the game and isn't afraid to throw what weight he has around. Just ask John Tavares! More after the jump.
Fletcher has made it clear that this team has to get younger and better. Not only has he stocked the cupboards full with talent, but he's also hired a young head coach in Mike Yeo who's proven himself to be a winner as evidenced with last year's Houston Aeros team. In addition, Cam Barker and Eric Nystrom were dropped, the Wild picked up a great young forward in Nick Johnson and the youth have really stepped up to fill the holes in the roster. Chuck is determined to make this franchise a success.
The Wild have several players that could make the leap next year. Heck, there's a potential future top six that could make the jump including Mikael Granlund, Zack Phillips, Johan Larsson, Jason Zucker and Charlie Coyle in addition to stellar defenseman, Jonas Brodin, and goaltender, Johan Gustafsson. Bulmer, the first of the Wild's three 2nd Round picks in 2010, has already made the leap and will likely stay with the Wild for the remainder of the season. While they have the potential to make the starting lineup right after training camp, Granlund, Brodin and Larsson will likely start the season out with Houston to get used to the North American game. Barring a phenominal training camp, Phillips will most likely go down to Houston and Coyle and Zucker will probably return to their college teams.
However, with all the youth coming up through the ranks, something has to give. There is already a log jam in net with Backstrom and Harding holding strong to the Wild positions, but Hackett, Endras and Kuemper are knocking at the door and there's still Michalek and Gustafsson to think of, as well. The farm team is already stocked with good talent, but you can't send every prospect to spend two or three years down there.
Trading Burns and buying out Barker provided the opportunity for guys like Scandella, Spurgeon, Falk and Prosser to step up and prove their worth; three of the four are still up with the big club. Dropping Nystrom has opened the door for Bulmer, Johnson and Kassian to shine and they've done a pretty good job of it. Who do you move to make way for Granlund, Phillips or Coyle and what or who do you trade them for?
Here's where things get difficult. Do we trade a guy like Brodziak, Latendresse, Cullen or Bouchard or do we make that log jam in net an advantage and get rid of Backstrom's salary or the injury prone (and one of my favorite goalies) Harding? I don't know much about Endras, but I definitely believe Hackett and Kuemper are the goaltenders of the future for the Wild. The Wild could probably get a couple of picks for Brodziak and possibly some prospects, first round picks and/or second round picks for either Latendresse, Cullen or Bouchard.
As much as I miss Burnsie, the trade did two things for the Wild: 1. It brought the Wild some offense and good prospects and 2. It made way for the youth to come up and claim their place in the lineup. Perhaps that's what is needed in order for this team to succeed and if it means seeing the likes of Granlund, Phillips and Coyle in the lineup...I'm okay with that.
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Here's what I think
While we do have some influx of young talent coming through the ranks, most are still pretty raw. I would say at this point, Granlund is the only for sure to be on the big club next year and that is if he even signs with the team.
Some of the others you mentioned still have a ways to go, at least right now, before they make it to the NHL. After this year in college, I’m not sure there will be much left for Coyle and Zucker to prove at the NCAA level, they should be Houston bound. Same with Phillips at major junior. From all accounts, Larsson will probably be Houston bound as well. Brodin is an interesting case, already playing at one of Europe’s highest levels, he may come to Houston too. What will be important and interesting is seeing all these kids together in Houston, winning and losing together so that they become a team there and transfer that to the NHL one day.
As for players we will lose, we need to keep a veteran presence on this team for the youngsters to learn from as well. I don’t think Lats will be tendered another contract when his expires after this year. I would expect that Cullen would be traded sometime during his contract year unless he is needed by the Wild for a playoff run. Bouchard would be trickier to move during his upcoming contract year due to his concussion history and higher salary, but I do not expect him to be tendered another contract. Backstrom is an interesting case. When his contract year is approaching, I wouldn’t mind seeing him resigned as the backup for Hackett, but I doubt he would agree to that. Harding is probably gone after this year, maybe during this year if he can get enough starts to showcase his talents for certain teams in need of goaltending, Tampa, Phoenix (how good would he and Tippet be together?), etc. I think the Wild will resign Brodziak, great third line center, penalty killer, totally underrated and a good guy to have on the team as well.
This is all if all these prospects continue to develop as we all hope. The reality is that some won’t live up to there potential. A guy like Zucker can light up the NCAA but that doesn’t mean he won’t be a third liner with some scoring upside in the NHL. A team needs guys like that too. I would say the only for sure right now is Granlund, and it worries me that he has not signed especially after the whole Tim Erixon ordeal in Calgary.
Don’t take too much offense, but you’re being unrealistic in your view of the prospects. Not every single player drafted by Fletcher is automatically a top-6 forward.
Johan Larsson is probably a 3rd line player. If you don’t believe me, read Dan’s review of Johan again. He sounds exactly like Brodziak, which is not a bad thing at all; however, that’s not what a top-6 forward should be like.
Zucker may not get all the skills necessary to even crack the NHL. He’s very much like Justin Fontaine. A ton of offensive skill, but not developed in his own zone or in a pro-style system. Those two guys are really straight-line rush, do-it-yourself types, and that style doesn’t work in the NHL.
Coyle, as big as he is against college kids, isn’t that dominant, and it won’t get any easier in the NHL where guys his size are way more common. Unless he somehow adds some offensive flair and the ability to be an actual game-changing power forward, he might end up being the 3rd line center.
Describing Brodin as stellar is a slight exaggeration. He’s good, no doubt, but stellar? The guys has very little offensive upside, so everyone expecting him to be the offensive solution to losing Brent Burns should stop holding their breath. Good defensively, smart, well positioned, but not offensive, and definitely not a “two-way defensman”.
Now, as far as trades and subtraction…
PMB is gone. No way the Wild can keep both him and Granlund. They are the same player, except Granlund possesses much more raw skill.
Cullen is a wild card. Being as versatile as he is adds a lot to a lineup. Besides Koivu, no other Wild forward is really as important to 5-on-5, faceoffs, the PP, and the PK. He’s not flashy or dominant, but he’s the type of role player that makes a good team a great team. He could stay, but if the Wild can find a partner for the right price, he could be moved.
Brodziak is another wild card. Great PK and faceoff guy, as well as a good checking forward. Depth forwards always go higher at the trade deadline, so if the price is right, he could be gone; however, like Cullen, he can make a good team great by doing the little things necessary to be successful.
Zanon is gone as well. He’s a PK and shot-blocking specialist, but he can be replaced. As long as Falk, Stoner, and Schultz continue to play good defensive hockey, Zanon becomes more replaceable. I believe Wild fans have begun to notice his limited puck-handling abilities (turnover leading to a goal in two straight games), and his age has to detract from an extension.
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I disagree on Larsson. From the reports I read on him, and the opinions I hear in talking to the so called experts, Larsson is an elite prospect. That is why I asked Dan to focus on Larsson this week. We hear so little of him, it is easy to dismiss his abilities. He is a damn fine hockey player, and I think we are in for a big surprise with him.
I agree that we need to all take a deep breath with the prospects, but the view you expressed in this comment was a bit pessimistic. Not to say you can’t be that, but Zucker, Coyle, Brodin have all been described as having very bright futures. Could their development falter? Absolutely, but nothing we have seen yet says that is happening. I am as skeptical as they come, and I see them all as the real deal, unless something major changes.
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I did admit to thinking Brodin is good. He already plays at a high level in a league of men, so there’s no doubt in my mind he’s good; however, I don’t get where the “two-way defensman” chatter got started. I firmly believe he will end up pairing with Scandella on the top unit. I was just saying there’s no scout or evidence to argue that he’ll end up as the Burns replacement.
Zucker is good offensively. In fact, I think he’s got a higher offensive ceiling than Coyle. He does need a lot of work though. I give him the same knock I give most kids in NCAA hockey…they play a crazy back and forth game of all offense. Like I said, I see a lot of Fontaine in him.
I’ll admit it got lost in translation, but my point was that just anointing kids as top-6 and trading away or letting walk all the current players is a dangerous risk.
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by JDesthubert on Oct 26, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
just anointing kids as top-6 and trading away or letting walk all the current players is a dangerous risk.
Truth.
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I never once said that they were guaranteed to be top six forwards...
BUT (and that’s a big butt, no pun intended by the way)…they have the potential to become so. Plus, I never said that each of those players would make the roster out of training camp. Granlund is probably the only one that could do that. And no one said anything about letting all the current players walk, that’s just plain stupid and bad management of a team.
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Agree with most...
All prospects can turn into nothing, that’s a given. Coyle to me seems to be a poor man’s Toews. Does all the little things right, dominates the two way game and is very underrated offensively. The kid has amazing vision and loves working along the boards. Gotta love that he gives it his all every shift also.
Haven’t caught a game with Larsson or Brodin but like what I hear.
The elephant in the room is Koivu and his obscene contract. Is there any HW analysis already in the can that justulifies $7M+ for a first line C (and PP) who averages 20 goals a year? I guess Miettenan wasn’t the problem after all.
by Pewterschmidt on Oct 26, 2011 9:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Is there any analysis? We did that two summers ago. We are eight games in, and the line isn’t working out. If we get to game 25 or 30 and Koivu and Heatley still aren’t doing anything, maybe we can talk. Right now, it is way to early to jump ship. I don’t think anyone thought this was going to be a 40 goal season for Koivu, did they? I hope not. 80 points would be perfect. 20-25 goals, and a bunch of assists would be wonderful with his defensive abilities.
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My take
First off, great post.
Now, a few minor details. Phillips cannot go to Houston until he is 20, so next year he likely goes back to Saint John’s as well. After that, I would guess at least a year in Houston, but he can be sent back to St. Johns for another year after that if the Wild feel it necessary. Zucker and Coyle will likely make the call to go pro, and will go to Houston for a year or two, depending on development.
Granlund might… MIGHT make the jump right to the NHL, but there will be zero rush to do that. Unless he is going to be the #2 center, or flip to wing, he needs to develop, and that doesn’t happen in the bottom six (not that you said it did).
The goalie prospects beyond Hackett are a ways off. Maybe Endras. Maybe. Kuemper needs playing time in the AHL, and that won’t happen until Hackett moves up. Backstrom is under contract through next year. My bet is that Hackett moves up to the backup role next year to learn behind Backstrom, and then maybe a deal is made or Backstrom is allowed to walk the following summer. That may even be too fast for goalie development. Gustaffson and Michalek are WAY down the line, if ever.
The only contact that really bothers me in all of this is Cullen. But he only has this year and next year. So Cullen plays the last year, Granlund in Houston, re-sign Brodziak for third line, and allow the top six prospects to continue to develop.
PMB will be trade bait at some point. He almost has to be. Latendresse, unless he pulls this season together, will be gone, allowing Clutterbuck to move into the second line role temporarily.
The short version is that the timeline needs to be stretched just a bit. And that keeping a guy in Houston for an extra year while an NHL contract is played out won’t hurt anyone. Having a bunch of kids come in all at once would not be fun. Just ask Edmonton.
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Technically Clutter is a 1st line forward at the moment.
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by Chris Winner on Oct 27, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
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by Chris Winner on Oct 27, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that Bouchard and Latendresse will be gone soon. Also agree that Backstrom is not gonna be on the Wild much longer.
My question for you is what do you think about Zidlicky? I’m sure the Wild aren’t happy with his performance lately. I looked him up on Capgeek and he’s under contract through next season with a No-trade clause. Do you think the Wild try to shop him around? If so, would he waive the no-trade clause? Do you think other teams would have any interest in him, or will the Wild just have to wait for his contract to expire?
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He would waive the no-trade to go to a contender, yes. To go to the Isles? No. He has value, as long as he is used properly, and can actually show up. If his offense out weighs his defensive gaffs, he can be tolerated. Right now, that is not the case.
So… would anyone be interested? My bet is that if a contender loses their offensive d-man, yes. But don’t expect a first rounder for him.
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Granlund
I dont think there is anyway granlund goes down to houston. Not with what he has shown he can do already in the SM Liiga. He is already dominant there in his three years and the strength of that league and the AHL are very comparable. In fact i read 3 different study about 4 months back trying to figure out which league was better, 2 had sm liiga as better. He has nothing left to prove at that level of play.
they may only send him to Houston
to get used to the style of play…not to necessarily learn new skills. It is much better to get used to a style of play a little slowly before jumping in the deep end. It helps to maintain your confidence level when things don’t click right away and allows you to be a little more patient.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 27, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Off the topic a bit, but I don't think it is fair to compare Zucker and Fontaine
First, while they both play/played in the NCAA, they come from different backgrounds. Fontaine put up inflated numbers in the AJHL which is a “B” level junior league in Canada. Zucker came to college from the U.S. Development program in Ann Arbor which originally played in the NAHL (tier 2) and in his last season there moved up to the USHL (tier 1). The U.S. program is pretty much training for international competition which Zucker has taken part in whereas Fontaine has not. They are relatively the same size but Zucker is a better skater and has more grit to his style than Fontaine. UMD and DU are much different programs and while both play/played on stacked lines in college, Fontaine didn’t really take off until he was paired with the Connollys (although Fontaine is showing at Houston that he can score too). Lastly, Zucker was drafted for a reason while Fontaine was a college free agent signing. That isn’t to say that college free agents aren’t worth signing. Matt Read (BSU represent!) is living proof that getting college free agents is worthwhile. Then again, so far Casey Wellman is proof that they aren’t.
Zucker is still raw but after this year in college, I’m not sure there will be much more for him to learn at the NCAA level. He still needs to decide what type of player he will be as a pro, a scorer on the second line or grinder with some scoring upside on the third line.
It is always fair to compare players as long as you don't expect them to be exactly the same.
In this case, the comparison isn’t to the specifics of their stories as much as it is a comparison of each players’ playing style, in the exact same conference and in similar systems, in college hockey. Both are smaller players that used speed to rush play and get to scoring positions. This type of play doesn’t usually translate smoothly to the NHL.
Oni didn’t even say that Fontaine absolutely won’t make the Wild. It’s just that he’ll have to work on his game to do it. Zucker seems to play with a bit more grit, and has even more of a scorer’s touch with the puck. However, he also will have a lot of work to do on his physicality and his game before he’ll make a steady impact as a NHLer. His lack of a defined style or role that will translate well to the NHL will probably make his road to the pros considerably longer than say Bulmer’s, who is already a very solid 3rd liner.
by Krotz the Wall on Oct 27, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But in showing their backgrounds, I was merely trying to point out that Zucker, with his international experience and time with the U.S. program in Ann Arbor, is going to bring more to the table than Fontaine.
I've been saying 3 years.
This being year 1. It seems that the Wild will start seriously turning over their roster at that 3 year mark. We should see Granlund, Larsson, Zucker, Coyle, and maybe Brodin, turn Pro/come over here next year, in year 2. As Bulmer proved this year, if any of those guys go out and absolutely make the team, in a position that fits their style and role, they’ll be every chance for them to do that. However, it won’t be easy for them to do that. Most of those guys will spend some time in Houston, to either adjust to the grind of pro hockey, or to adjust to North American hockey. It will allow the Wild to get these kids playing together, trying to get them to develop and build a team mentality.
This year, the Wild will have to make a decision on Gui and Brodziak. Gui will be a RFA at the end of this season. It’s anyone’s guess, at this moment, what the Wild do with him. It will depend on how he plays over the next several months, and if he can keep himself on the ice. Playing well and providing a solid power forward presence on the second line, there is no one exactly lined up behind him to take over that job next year. Brodziak… he’s a team guy, gives it his all. I think he’ll be back if he’s willing to sign a team friendly deal. Zanon will be gone after this season.
Year 2 is the final contract year for Bouchard, Cullen, Clutterbuck (RFA), Zidlicky, Backstrom. Year 2 will be a year of evaluation and positioning. If the team isn’t pushing for the playoffs, you might see a whole lot of players being moved to make way for the young guys. If the Wild are pushing for the playoffs, the team will be in an interesting position. They should have cap space, but they’ll have a lot of ‘key’ guys heading toward UFA. Would they hold serve and see what they can do, while not getting return on those UFAs. Do they look to add, taking a rental for a prospect they might have deemed secondary? Who knows. Way too far out to worry about.
Year 3, I say Bouchard, Cullen, Zidlicky, and probably Backstrom, are all gone. Heatley, Setoguchi, Schultz are in their final years. The team will have a lot of cap room for moves. There will be a lot of spots open for anyone who can step up and take them, and fortuitously there will be a lot of young guys fighting to take those spots… we just have to hope that some of them have developed into the players we need to fill those spots.
There is no rush to start moving players, and there is no need, right now, to making final determinations about who should stay and who should go. The team has to aim for balance, young and veteran, skilled and blue collar. The can’t bank completely on the development of prospects, because prospects don’t always make it, and quite often fall a bit short of projections. When a kid forces the team to keep them on the roster, great. Until that time, I hope they try to ice a competitive roster with what they have.
Totally agree about the 3-year process. It makes the most logical sense considering that, outside of Granlund and Brodin, just about every prospect is going to need to learn how to adapt to a professional league.
As long as the world doesn’t end, I firmly believe Wild fans will have a treat to look forward to in the 2013-2014 season.
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by JDesthubert on Oct 27, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't have said it better
I really don’t want to see this team in the same situation as the Oilers with Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Omark, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. all going to come off their contracts at the same time. It just doesn’t bode well.
That is one of the reasons
the Wild won’t mind keeping Bulmer past the 9 game mark this year. Most teams try to make their decision and get their underage rookies back to minors so they don’t burn their first contract year. Fletcher has specifically stated that he’d rather all the kids not have their contracts up at the same time, so he wasn’t overly concerned about Bulmer getting his first contract year this year.
by Krotz the Wall on Oct 28, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions

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