TSN Top 50 List Includes No Minnesota Wild Players
It is a rite of passage at this point. A major sports outlet discusses the best of the NHL and either completely botches the facts about the Wild, or they simply pretend they don't exist. Craig Leipold wants to raise the profile of the team to get them into a Winter Classic type event. Judging by the season previews and other "coverage" of the Wild, he still has a long way to go.
Bodog has the team earning around 83 points, a number certain to keep them out of the playoffs. Most sites have them finishing outside the playoffs, many near the bottom of the league. None of this is good, and the sheer mass of negativity surrounding the team makes you start to wonder what the deal is.
Then, TSN puts out its "Top 50 NHL Players" list, and allows us to discuss how Sidney Crosby is still considered the number one player in the league, while a grand total of zero Minnesota Wild players make the list.
Make the jump and lets take a look at this list. Help us out. Who is too high? Too low? Not on the list but should be?
The list is broken up into five pages, each page containing 10 players. We'll take this one page at a time.The first page isn't bad, save for the ranking of Crosby ahead of the likes of Ale Ovechkin and Steven Stamkos. This reeks of a sales pitch, using the NHL's poster boy as the top ranking player, despite missing half the season with injury, and no timetable of a return to the game. None of that is his fault, but when we are discussing value, who has more? Crosby and his now deep concussion problem, or Stamkos and Ovechkin with no real injury history to speak of and who were on the ice producing all season?
Page two is solid, even the Eric Staal at 17 pick. No, really, Stall is a great player, and deserves to be up there. A two way player who isn't afraid of the physical game, is a leader, and still puts up some solid offense? Sounds pretty valuable to me. Not sure I would rank him ahead of guys like Rick Nash, but its not my list.
On page three, the 21-30 best players in the league, we go off track. Anze Kopitar is the 21st best player in the league? Really? We are clearly taking into account the new additions to the team, and forgetting oh so many much better players. You know, like the guy at 22... Evgeni Malkin. Who you taking first in an expansion draft? Kopitar or Malkin?Page three is so messed up, it's like they started two teams, one at the top spot, and one at the last spot, and just met in the middle.
Moving on to the 31-40 page, we are met with... whoa... what the? Chris Pronger? The page may have been led with "The man who used to be Chris Pronger," but the current incarnation is a shell of his former self. Injuries, lack of production, and a lack of fear of his presence make Pronger at 31 a disappointment. Bobby Ryan comes in at 33? Yikes. I'm taking Ryan before some of the guys on page one, let alone Chris Pronger. Danny Briere makes the list? Why? Sixty eight points and an injury risk makes the list? I am officially confused. And Keith Yandle? That's a stretch to me, even as a Yandle fan.
The final page is led of with Roberto Luongo at 41. Great placement. Average goalie on a great team. It is tough to separate the two, but let's just say Lu isn't leading the Florida Panthers to the Cup Finals anytime soon. Some of the confusion on this page would be rooted in the fact that Marian Hossa makes the list. If Dany Heatley is off the list, why is Hossa still on it? Neither have shown the brilliance they have in the past, and Hossa is an injury risk. I'm thinking Jeff Skinner needs to be higher on this list as well. At least above, you know... Kopitar.
Wild Snubbed
If my very fast count is right, 21 teams are represented on the list. That means TSN feels that multiple teams have so many players that are so good that a player like Mikko Koivu is worth leaving off the list.
Look, I get it. Dany Heatley had an "off" year. Devin Setoguchi has not claimed a spot as a truly elite player yet. There is no one in the forward or defensive ranks that deserve much convrsation beyond Heatley, Koivu, and Setoguchi. Niklas Backstrom hasn't had a good season recently, so I can see leaving him off. But how, in the name of everything that is good and right in this world is Mikko Koivu not on the list?
Eric Staal, Anze Kopitar, Chris Pronger, and Marian Hossa make the list, but Koivu doesn't? Given a choice among those five players, Koivu gets picked before all but maybe one of them, and Hossa only goes first if a Hawks fan is involved.
The Wild are not going to light up the world anytime soon. I get that, but how do you leave a guy universally included in the "best two way forward" conversation off the list?
I don't want to indulge in the "everyone hates the Wild" mentality. They can hate them all they want, they can pretend they don't exist at all. That's fine. But when putting together a list of the top 50 players in the league, and players who play the same game as Koivu, but not nearly as well, are included and he isn't? Someone messed up.
I need some of whatever the good Canadian stuff is there days.
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Not Surprising
When you look at their projected stats for the season, and have Koivu with an uptick of only two points. Which is crazy, seeing as how he actually has linemates capable of playing the game now.
Not really shocked
As a huge Mikko koivu Fan- I am not shocked he is not on there. I do not think he needs to be on a list to see how good he is on the ice! But that is just my opinion!
Koivu is usually ranked outside the top 100 in fantasy lists..
so I’m not surprised. Theres a lot of hope surrounding the top line right now, and I’d rather they go under the radar for as long as possible.
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by TheDragonReborn on Oct 4, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
But most fantasy lists don’t have defensive stats. If Eric Staal is on there, Koivu needs to be on there.
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The final page is led of with Roberto Luongo at 41. Great placement. Average goalie on a great team. It is tough to separate the two, but let’s just say Lu isn’t leading the Florida Panthers to the Cup Finals anytime soon.
Chris Osgood has been determined in several places to have been an average goalie throughout his career. Comparing his numbers with that of Luongo’s during his time in Florida you get the following (2000-2001 – 2005-2006 for both): .904 and 2.58 for Osgood and .920 and 2.68 for Luongo.
Luongo isn’t the best goalie in the league, but he definitely is above Chris “Definition of Average Goalie” Osgood.
Also, Patrick Roy at his finest couldn’t lead the Panthers to the Playoffs this year, let alone the Stanley Cup.
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by ijustcopiedyou on Oct 4, 2011 10:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
Time for the Wild to start their Rodney Dangerfield tour….no respect at all
Hmmm.....needz moar winz
Not Surprised At All
The people who make these lists are not very knowledgeable to being with. Add in there that most people don’t know who Mikko Koivu is or where Minnesota is or the fact that the team plays in St. Paul and not Minneapolis, this should not be much of a shock. Heatley is universally hated by the entire NHL it seems and I get it. Played a part in a teammates death, asked out of Ottawa (who wouldn’t), voided trade to Edmonton (who wouldn’t) and didn’t live up to expectations in San Jose (good luck getting more out of that Havlat fellow). Couple that with so many people being down on Setoguchi (and I can’t for the life of me figure out why), then it is no wonder none of our players are considered close to the best. We should be used to be flyover country by now. Not saying it is right but it is the norm. It will just make it that much sweeter when we finally win the Cup someday because it will piss off the hockey world that Crosby didn’t win it or some other team out east or Detroit.
Here is a question for someone, how many of the top 50 are in the East and how many are in the West?
20 East, 30 West.
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And yet I still feel like there is an East coast Bias in this article.
By the way, Patrick Sharp ranked as high as he is? Give me a break.
There is a little bit of it
But it is more like Big Market bias. The flyers had 5 of the best players in the league last year? Give me a break, Carter and Richards are no better than Koivu but they play in Philly and Koivu plays here. Their stats are comparable, but Koivu was playing with Bruno and Mittens those two were playing with much better linemates.
Crosby at #1 would be reasonable if you don't count injuries...
But if that was their angle, how the fuck is Malkin 22?
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If I had to guess
It would be that even before he got hurt he was struggling (for Malkin at least). For his career he had been scoring 1.23 pts per game, and last year he was only on .86 pts per game pace, which is incidentally a very Koivue like pace, as he has had a .87 points per game the last 3 years(high of .89 low of . 85).
Who knows when this list was actually made, but benefit of the doubt got him 22, when he was struggling last year period and tore his ACL.
Crosby is the best player in hockey.
Concussions are his only knock.
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by Georgie Fruit on Oct 4, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Then Mario Lemieux was the best player ever
His multiple injuries and his fight against cancer were his only knocks.
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To me, he will always be the best player in history
Way more of a complete player than Gretzky. He could’ve beat him had he not been hampered like he was by injuries.
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Honestly
I really do think Lemieux might be the best player ever. No one knocks Bobby Orr for his lack of durability/longevity.
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by Georgie Fruit on Oct 4, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And you agree
So, yeah.
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by Georgie Fruit on Oct 4, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats a HUGE knock
When you’ve missed half a season and still aren’t ready the following season.
by ijustcopiedyou on Oct 4, 2011 10:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Almost everyone thinks Crosby will be ready soon enough
And even 65 games of Crosby could threaten for the Art Ross. I’m not sure you can say that about anyone else in hockey.
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by Georgie Fruit on Oct 4, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
PMB was on the verge of being ready for almost a year straight. Just saying I don’t think you can list him first right now. If you could choose any player right now to join your team would you pick Crosby?
by ijustcopiedyou on Oct 5, 2011 9:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mikko Koivu was very comparable in PPG to (2010-2011):
16. Ryan Kesler (.89 PPG)
20. Rick Nash (.88)
29. Joe Thornton (.88)
33. Bobby Ryan (.88)
37. Danny Briere (.88)
39. Patrick Marleau (.89)
44. Jeff Carter (.83)
NR. Mikko Koivu (.87)
And was clearly ahead of:
32. Ilya Kovalchuk (.74)
38. Mike Richards (.81)
50. Jeff Skinner (.77)
And none of those guys had elite defensive reputations AND shitty linemates, like Koivu. Many didn’t even have one of those.
Mikko got snubbed, and he’ll almost certainly earn his spot for next year’s TSN Top 50.
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