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Wild Talking Points: Brent Burns

How soon we forget.

A few weeks ago, I promised you that if the Wild continued to win, the number of stories about the team would increase. I also promised that if they fell apart, there would also be stories written. We all know what happened, and the articles and blog posts have started flying.

Trade Brent Burns! Fire Todd Richards! Fire Chuck Fletcher! Hell, while we're at it: Fire Donald Trump! So many people with so many ideas, so few of them of any value. 

Yesterday, I asked you to take a step back and reassess. Today, I ask you to step back up and look at the big picture, rather than just the recent destructive, waste of talent, frustrating, depressing streak of "hockey."

Make the jump, and let's look at one of the recent talking points, Brent Burns.

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Brent Burns is a Terrible Hockey Player

Two months ago, this guy was a hero. He was playing amazing hockey, he was an All-Star, and we were praising the return of Inglewood Jack. Aside from trying too hard, what has Burns done wrong since then?

Sure, he has been inconsistent. He is, in hockey cliche, gripping the stick a bit too tight lately. What I see is a leader trying to lead, and team around him unwilling or unable to follow. He wants to win, and he is showing it, which is more than can be said for many members of the squad right now.

Is he pinching? Yep. Any more than he was before? Not that I can tell. What I do see is that when Burns pinches, the forwards are not covering like they were earlier in the year. One does not work without the other. I agree he is erratic, and probably needs to simplify a bit, but not for the same reasons as everyone else.

Popular opinion says Burns needs to simplify because he is playing "the worst hockey of his career." I think he needs to simplify because the guys around him can't keep up. By the way... worst hockey of his career? Really? Were you not here last year? Or the year the morons in charge tried to make him a forward? Yikes.

The guy has had a few bad games. Criticize him for that, absolutely. Call him out for collapsing at the wrong time of the year, in the wrong situation. At the same time, you may want to ask yourself how well you perform at your job when you are under a huge amount of stress and pressure, and everyone in the office is counting on you to make it work.

Are you maybe going to try to do more than you should? Is it going to affect your work? If not, remind me never to hire you.

Trade Brent Burns

First, you don't trade guy when he is playing poorly. You trade them when they are playing well. That's how you get a good return. People who want to trade him and then blast him for his play are the same people who don't understand why their 401(k) lost 12% last year after they sold everything that was losing money.

Now, should the Wild trade Brent Burns? If they can get a goal scoring, young forward (Zach Parise), sure they should. Does anyone really think Burns nets Parise? I don't.

If The Devils trade him, they want picks, and lots of them. Parise is a RFA, meaning if another team wants him, they give up picks. For Parise, likely in the three to four first rounders range. Maybe Burns and a first gets it done to any team other than New Jersey. Right now, the Devils are in cap trouble. They don't need to trade one cap nightmare for another. Burns will get 5-6 million per year where ever he signs. The Devils don't have that.

The other part of this is people claiming the Wild are so full of defensive prospects they can trade Burns without an issue. I ask you this: who replaces Brent Burns in the lineup? Marco Scandella? Nate Prosser? Tyler Cuma? Justin Falk

The Wild have some very good defensive prospects. Key word there? Prospects. None of them are ready for the amount of minutes or situations Burns is put in on a nightly basis. None of them are proven NHL defensemen. Not one of them has ever been named to the NHL All-Star game.

See where I'm going with this? Brent Burns at 75% is better than the entire defensive prospect stable at 100%. Put together. Yes, really.

Brent Burns is a proven, young, honest-to-goodness stud defenseman. Only goaltending prospects are more of a gamble and take longer to develop. You now have one of the few successful development stories in Wild history, and you want to just trade him away because of one bad stretch of games? I have a GM on the line for you. His name is Brian Burke. He likes people like you.

Prognosticating

Would I trade Brent Burns for Zach Parise? Yes, I most certainly would. Do I think that trade makes the Wild instantly into Stanley Cup contenders? Absolutely not.

Trading for Zach Parise (if he is even really available), gives the Wild a sniper. The Wild need someone who will shoot the puck, and someone who can score when they do so. Parise is that guy, and he would be an absolute killer addition to the Wild roster.

Trading Brent Burns immediately makes the Wild not as good as they were. Despite the past month, he is the best defenseman on the team. He is second in the league in goals from a defenseman, tenth in total points. He plays almost 25 minutes a game, three full minutes more than anyone else on the roster. That equates to 200 minutes of TOI more than anyone else on the team. Two hundred minutes in three full games and then some.

Only Greg Zanon and Nick Schultz play more short handed minutes (and Schultz only by a few seconds). Only Marke Zidlicky plays more PP minutes per game than Burns.

Who in the system picks up that baton if you trade him? I'll give you a hint. It starts with "no" and ends with a number.

This section is supposed to be a prediction. So here it is. The Wild aren't going to trade Brent Burns, unless it nets them a major impact player. I have strong doubts Parise is really available, and the Devils can't afford to take on Burns. 

So do they trade Brent Burns? All signs point to no.

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Ultimately, I think they will make Burns available, shop him around a little. This will do two things, see if anyone is going to offer up a great package for Burns. It will also help the team get a better feel for his market value in the league.

I think this will end up with Burns signing a 5 to 7 year contract with the Wild. I am not going to guess the amount.

Three things:

Trading Burns will not get the Wild Parise on a straight trade. The Devils will want more than just Burns for that deal to go down. They’ll want a prospect and a pick (probably Granlund and a first) and maybe more than that. We are not that loaded that we can just ship out picks and top prospects, maybe not even for a Parise.

Burns is the best D-man in the Wild system, in current or potential level. Yes, his game is inconsistent right now, but he is still one of the three best players on this team right now.

There is simply no one currently in the system that is ready to replace Burns’ combination of minutes, athleticism, physicality, and ability to create mismatches on the ice. He just needs to simplify his game right now. Watch 1000s of hours of Lindstrom play the game.

by Krotz the Wall on Mar 22, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Lindstrom

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by JMarushin on Mar 22, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think he was referring to his name. Lidstrom, not Lindstrom. ;-)

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by BReynolds on Mar 22, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...

I don’t think I can physically type a Wings player name… I have to cheat my mental barriers.

Or… damn! facepalm

Yes, Lidstrom… a long day already.

by Krotz the Wall on Mar 22, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

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by JSLandry on Mar 22, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who in the system picks up that baton if you trade him? I’ll give you a hint. It starts with “no” and ends with a number.

This took me waaay longer than it should have to figure out.

by Jonsey on Mar 22, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

We forgive you.

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by BReynolds on Mar 22, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

it took

your post for me to get it as well. wow, it has been a long day hasn’t it.

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by the Real Thor on Mar 22, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade Backstrom

And Havlat. And Koivu. And Burns…

It makes no fucking sense to me that we’ve seen and heard these 4 statements at any point of this season.

Bottom line, why the fuck trade any of our 4 best players when we need all the help we can get? I’m pretty sure no one is interested in seeing a team so close to the playoffs year after year just give up when they’re just maybe one or two acquisitions (or non-injuries, such as Lats and Zids) from making a trip to the playoffs next year.

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by JSLandry on Mar 22, 2011 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

That and...

three of those guys have a pretty solid no-trade/no-movement clause in their contracts. So, you know, can’t trade them even if you want to.

You only move a top 4 guy if the move makes you better as a franchise, more likely to win a cup. It is entirely possible that trading Burns in the perfect trade would make the Wild a better team. It is certainly not likely, especially in the short term. Or, you move one, if you have to financially, and you try to load up on picks or prospects to keep you competitive down the line.

I think the Wild sit pat next year, break some of their prospects into the ranks. The big business I expect this off season is a new contract for Burns. Start the year off seeing what Wellman, that new Mikko kid, and one or two other of the current AHLers have. By January, start trying to work Granlund into the lineup.

The next season the Wild’s books open up some, and they’d be entering what I would imagine will be their 2 to 4 year window with Koivu, Havlat, Burns, Schultz, and maybe PMB… maybe. I would hope to see Lats, Granlund, Spurgeon, Hackett, and another couple young guys grow and become part of that core.

by Krotz the Wall on Mar 22, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not think they stand pat.

Leo has said all along he wants the playoffs & he wants to win. I think he pressures Fletcher to get moving solidly in that direction. I actually have been wondering if the Wild will pursue Tim Connelly to center a line between PMB & havlat or Lantendress if he ever returns. That would allow them to move Cullen to Koivu’s wing. Then again there is Fleischman. Both have had injury problems so who knows. One thing for sure is I sure love the speculation & the intrigue of just what are they going to do? Can we predict what the GM will do? Its fun, nevermind those assholes on Russo’s rants with their heads so far up their asses the see daylight.

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by FightingWild on Mar 22, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So how do we

get a real goal scorer and more offense without giving up something big in return? I’d like to hear the Hockey Wilderness solution. I’m not being snarky either. We all love Burns and would love to see him stay but I’m worried if we don’t trade him we’ll have more of the same from our offense for years. For a team that went to a more offensive oriented style after Lemieur what is the deal? We are dead last in the NHL for shots per game. Most of those are Miettenen type shots that are right to the goalie’s gut. Obviously confidence and consistent hard work are huge. Some of that can be blamed on the emotionless Richards. I’m just so pissed because the season is closing and I don’t see a proper fix for a long time. Good luck Fletcher, you’ll need it!

by HonorableH on Mar 22, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

My personal solution

Does not include trading Burns, unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary and ABSOLUTELY makes our team better. Makes no sense trading our best offensive defenseman away seeing as we are a team that needs exactly that. I’ve said it before, we can have all the goal scorers in the world, but if no one can start the play from the D-zone, they’ll be next to useless. Why do you think Rick Nash doesn’t score 50 a season? He probably has the best linemates he’s ever had right now, but no offense from the blue line.

I say we concentrate on developping our young guns and concentrate our draft efforts on finding scoring potential, because right now, we’re strapped for cash, so what else can we do? It’s not an immediate solution by any means, but if we can get full seasons out of PMB, Koivu, Latendresse and a full season WITHOUT Mittens slowing down the first line AND the powerplay, I think we can make it work, but they will need to show more effort and a willingness to shoot the damn puck once in a while.

The funny thing is that on paper, our offense looks WAY better than our defense, but on the ice, it’s the other way around.

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by JSLandry on Mar 22, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patience...

We get a goal scorer with Patience, and Luck. We may already have him. Granlund was a point per game player(even missing quite a few games with a concussion), Mikko Lehtonnen led the Swedish league in Goals. Zucker had 20+ goals and was rookie of the year in WCHA. Maybe Wellman takes a step. Goal scorers don’t go on trees, and those that have them tend to keep them as long as they can. Of the top 10 goal scorers in the league, all but Sharp were first round picks and all but Iginla are still with the team that drafted them. It’s got to come from the draft, and a little luck.

by ThatGuy22 on Mar 22, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoever was responsable for trading away Iginla..

Must feel pretty friggin stupid now.

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by JSLandry on Mar 22, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dallas Stars

Dallas traded him for Joe Nieuwendyk, who then went on to win the Conn Smythe in their Stanley Cup win. Didn’t end up to horribly for them.

by ThatGuy22 on Mar 22, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh

Not bad. I was too lazy to check :P

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by JSLandry on Mar 22, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wiki

Wikipedia :) Begs the question, would they have rather had 14 seasons of Iginla or 5 seasons of Nieuwendyk, Stanley Cup and your future GM?

by ThatGuy22 on Mar 22, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

It’s just the worst time of the year for patience. If we keep Burns lets make damn sure we keep our good prospects.

by HonorableH on Mar 22, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patience is all that is left this time of year.

To answer your original question… the draft. That is the only answer.

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by BReynolds on Mar 22, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love you BReynolds!

Thank you for giving me some hope that Burns may be back next year. I was getting all gloomy and checking the costs to upgrade tv and internet access so I could watch whatever team he ended up with. (I’ll now put that on hold unless it becomes absolutely necessary.)

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by minnesotagirl71 on Mar 23, 2011 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

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