Hockey Wilderness Community 2011 NHL Mock Draft: Colorado Avalanche
by BReynolds on May 18, 2011 9:00 AM CDT
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The first pick overall is tricky, blow that, and as a GM, your career is likely over. No one wants to draft Alexadre Daigle when they could have had Sidney Crosby. The Hockey Wilderness community, along with some help from the community at The Copper & Blue chose to take the safe choice. With the first overall pick in the Hockey Wilderness Community 2011 NHL Mock Draft, they chose: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.
Congrats, and all that.
Now we move on to the next trickiest position to draft in. Every year there is a false contest about which player will be the first overall selection. More often than not, there is a 1A and 1B. This year, not many people believe that, although there was some clamoring from the Oiler fans for Adam Larsson.
Who will the Avs take with their pick? Make the jump, read who Hockey Wilderness thinks they should take, and cast your vote for the Avs pick.
With Nugent-Hopkins off the board, the Avs are left with a host of players that make sense in the two spot. The worst part is? The Avs could use them all. You don't get to be the second worst team in the league without being bad in more areas than not.
So, where do the Avs go? Do they go with Adam Larsson, and put him under Erik Johnson's wing to turn him into an all-star d-man? Or do they go with adding some offense? After all, Milan Hejduk isn't going to be around forever, and Matt Duchene and Paul Stastny could use some help.
Coming from a Wild blog this is going to sound like the pot calling the kettle black here, but their fourth highest scorer was a defenseman, and their sixth highest was traded away after only playing 36 games for the team. Not a good sign.
To me, this comes down to a two horse race. Do the Avs want a franchise d-man, or do they want a forward who can score and be defensively responsible. Either way, they are getting their much needed Swedish replacement for Peter Forsberg. I might stretch it to include Sean Couturier, but the last thing they need is a scoring center playing on the third line. While it is a problem many teams would like to have, finding a scoring winger to go with the two stud centers they already have needs to be a priority.
As much as Adam Larsson deserves to be the second overall pick, I think the Avs go with Gabriel Landeskog, LW out of Kitchener. A big, already filled out forward who plays well in all three zones.
I put the percentages at about 60-40 that his actually happens. Larsson is the consensus #2, so he likely goes at two. However, if I'm the Avs, I take Landeskog.
Who do you take at #2?
Note: At the behest of our prospect guru, Dan Chan, we have expanded the list of potential picks. Enjoy.
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Larsson all the way.
Just way for MHH people to come over and blast the pools with Couturier and Huberdeau. I wish I was kidding =/
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Good god.
Just wait*, polls*.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick question
Why for sure Larsson? I mean, of course it sounds great with a pairing of Larsson and EJ, but why 100% sure?
I’m curious because I’m looking at the Avs depth chart and see they have Elliott and Barrie but with wingers, that don’t really have that much in the pros or juniors.
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Well
I firmly believe in always, always, always drafting BPA and I’m in the camp that Larsson is the best prospect outside RNH. That’s pretty much it. If I felt Landeskog was better, I’d go for him. While we do have solid defensive prospect depth, they’re pretty much all offensive oriented and have weakness like “Doesn’t play defense all that well”. An entire defense full of those guys…I’ll pass lol. I think Larsson instantly upgrades the defense offensively AND defensively and is a better prospect than anybody we have.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
another avs fan here
I don’t think it’s 100% sure at all. All the remaining people after RNH have major potential issues:
Larsson may not have top pairing talent/low ceiling, he goes brain dead on D at times, doesn’t show high end offensive potential, is European (major issue for the Avs, evidently). Aloof personality.
Landeskog might just be dominating with his size in juniors, his talent level isn’t high, skating isn’t great, might just be a good 3rd liner
Couturier plays in the Q, ceiling is lower, skating isn’t great, most likely a 2nd liner, was his lack of production this year a mono recovery issue or more that he’s limited?
Huberdeau plays in the Q, really skinny, could be a flash in the pan with recent burst of production
Murphy is tiny, is tiny, and is tiny
The Avs always, ALWAYS prioritize skill, talent, character, and higher ceilings. they take the best player available with those criteria in mind. When I look at them, if RNH is off the board, I’m feeling that Huberdeau is the choice the Avs will make. His skill level is thought to be the 2nd highest, his character and work ethic is excellent, and his ceiling is thought to be the 2nd highest.
Landeskog may have great character, leadership, and size, but the skill questions make him less likely imo. Larsson also has some ceiling questions, but the Euro factor is the most damning bit to me — the Avs really don’t draft Euros anymore.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Well, I'm a Landeskog type of guy
@SlamDunkTheFunk When you say BPA, I agree to a certain point. When you have a tier 1 prospect who doesn’t fit your positional need, but have a bunch of tier 2 prospects that do, you pick the tier 1 guy.
HOWEVER, if you have two tier 1 prospects, I think position comes into play.
And by position, I’m not talking about pro position. I believe you NEVER draft to fill pro roster needs. By the prospect is ready to play, the prop roster can look very different. But I believe you should draft to fill prospect pipeline needs.
So with the case of Larsson vs. Landeskog, they both fill the Avs needs, I just like Landeskog better. Skill, size, character, physical.
@thedoctor I agree that Huberdeau has the highest ceiling but I just love the whole package Landeskog brings. And its not like he’s missing out on the skill level either.
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This is the best part, though
I don’t REALLY think there is a wrong answer here (as long as we don’t get crazy with it and pick Strome or something) and it will really just come down to whoever the Avs have graded the highest. If I was making the call, I’d be dashing up to the podium with Larsson’s name on an Avs jersey without hesitation. Part of that also comes with my idea of how to build a team, which is defense first. Our defense sucks and needs an infusion of talent. Larssons are harder to find than Landeskogs imo.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But that is what is making a mock draft a pain in the ass.
Dammit Avs!
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Go with larsson
Just do it ;)
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I went with Landeskog. Although I like Larsson too. I’ve just seen Landeskog more and like what I saw of him on the bench as well as on the ice.
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by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Just watching the little I can of prospects, it’s incredibly clear that Landeskog’s skill is WAY less than RNH or Huberdeau. It’s not terrible by any means, but the guy scores hardworking, ugly goals more often than not. When I look at Landeskog, I see potential for Dustin Brown. I also see (much higher) potential at the other end for Mike Ricci.
The Ricci parallels are actually quite startling. Both prolific scorers in junior due to size and hard work, both brings tons of toughness and intangibles, both in the top 5 of their respective drafts. Ricci was a valuable guy on some very good teams, but I don’t think you can escape he was not exactly a “hit” at that spot in the draft either. I mean, look at the other 4 players in that top 5 alone: Nolan, Nedved, Primeau, and ahead of freaking Jagr.
You go for stars in the top 5 of the draft, not “sure things” like Ricci was.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
I guess a 60-70 pt winger that brings leadership, character, physical play, speed and hockey sense, as well as play in all situations, is a star in my book.
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But there's the question
Is he going to put up 60-70 points? I don’t think it’s so sure and with the second overall pick, you have to be sure =/
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmm..thats true
I guess I have faith in the combination of Landeskog ability and his future projection of him playing alongside Duchene and Statsny that he will score 60 pts.
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just like Ricci did alongside Sakic and Forsberg? :) (he did put up 78 points one year in the “old NHL,” but was pretty much a 20g/40p guy his whole career — much more what I think Landeskog will be).
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Absolutely he would be at that production level. But I’m not at ALL sure he’s going to even be close to that in the NHL, where he’s not going to be bigger than everyone, and his skill level will be…more on display. Everyone acts like he’s a sure thing to be Dustin Brown or Jarome Iginla and I just don’t see that at all.
At any rate, if this post is about what the Avs will actually do — if we’re agreeing Huberdeau’s ceiling/skill is 2nd highest after RNH, then it’s patently obvious the Avs are taking Huberdeau based on their past draft criteria.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Listen to the man.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
you said Larsson! Psh!
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Haha
That’s who I want and who I firmly believe we SHOULD take. Who they’ll ACTUALLY take is different. This is a mock draft and I want to see Larsson be drafted by the Avs in as many places as I can to make up for him not being drafted by the real Avs. I’d say Huberdeau is the guy we realistically draft.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, the closer to the draft the more I can see the Avs picking Huberdeau.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
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by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh...
Way to hard to predict who will go…definitely be interesting on draft day. Still have my love for Landeskog though lol
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But
I can definitely imagine Huberdeau’s name on an Avs jersey for sure. It just looks right
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This was much easier
when it was Tavares-Hedman-Duchene
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t blame you, he’s going to be a really valuable guy even if he’s not the 60-70 point guy, and I won’t be mad at a Landeskog pick either. I agree with that scout that said Landeskog WILL win a cup someday. I just question whether he’s a complimentary piece or a true star.
I would prefer Larsson or Huberdeau at this point, but the Avs’ scouting is the best in the league imo (and this is born out with draft success rates, our own DDC has done some great work on this). I trust them.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
I like Couturier better than both, but that’s just me. Landeskog seems like you’d be taking Chris Gratton over Paul Kariya—Gratton had a good career but…..
With Couturier you get a guy that had mono, and still managed to improve his #‘s while also being defensively responsible center (well as much as you can in the Q). Unless they feel his skating can’t be improved upon. I worry a little bit about Huberdeau since he kind of came out of no where (I don’t believe he was in the top 15 at Christmas) so he’s being judged on 3 or 4 months of hockey. But who knows, maybe he figured it all out over that time and is that good.
Larsson wouldn’t be a bad pick either, I’d be a little concerned that he’s the next Mike Rathe and not the next Lidstrom.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Larsson is the best fit for the Avs
They need defense help more than anything else. It’s not pretty, but any other pick is, frankly, short-sighted.
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not sure I agree with that on a couple levels. With EJ here now, Quincey returning, and all the Avs solid NHL ready prospects on D (Gaunce, Elliot, Barrie, Holos), you could argue that the Avs biggest needs are at goalie and top 6 wing. I also think that drafting need in the NHL is always short sighted. BPA in the draft, trade to fill your needs — like the Avs already did with EJ and Stewart/Shattenkirk (or Roy, or Blake, etc).
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Yes, Quincey was injured right before the Avs truly started struggling, having him back is going to be huge. But they need a defenceman who is willing to block shots- a lot of them. The Avs sorely miss both Lappy and Clark and their ability to do this.
I agree the Avs need goalies and a left wing.
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by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a note
The “other” choice does not really have that many votes. Polls on SBN have had a few issues recently. Apologies.
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I was gonna say
Man somebody found this poll and everybody decided the “other” option was the best way to go. We can’t exactly draft Hishon AGAIN…
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Could we clone him and try?
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by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
210 votes for Bartschi...
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80 for Siemens
who we’re going to draft at 11 ;)
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
now THAT I 100% agree in
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I love Larsson
but walking out of this draft with Landeskog/Couturier/Huberdeau at 2 and Siemens at 11 would be considered a monster success in my eyes. And if for some reason he dropped, Ryan Murphy was born to play for the Avs.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Fill 2 holes in one night
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Even if we get two forwards
as long as one of them isn’t Daniel Catenacci, chances are I’ll be pretty pleased and we’ll leave the draft with two guys I expect to contribute in 2013.
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by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
set and score!
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I'd also like to take this time to say
Aeros fighting! I’m hoping they finish off the sweep tonight! <3 <3
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Whoop whoop! :D
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Difficult choice...
For a moment I was considering Couturier, because there just is such a lack of top tier centers in the league, that even though the Avs already have two, having three such valuable assets can’t hurt the future of the Avs. Any one of those guys could probably return a ‘already ready to contribute player’ at any time.
As it is, I’d probably still draft Landeskog.
by Krotz the Wall on May 18, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
It gets difficult, because the Avs are running 5 ‘natural’ centers right now (Stastny, Duchene, O’Reilly, McClement, Dupuis), and our 2010 1st, also a center, might be able to make the jump to the big league this year too. Looking at that list, you might think there is no way we draft another centerman, but go for the complimentary LWer to fill out our top 6. But since the Avs always draft BPA, they end up with a ton of centers. Draft for talent, trade for need.
They are going to start shifting some of those guys around this upcoming year. Can Duchene play LW? He did a few times this year, and did fairly well with it. Can O’Reilly step up to the second line? Will Stastny be traded at the 2012 trade deadline? Who knows. With all of this uncertainty in the team’s make-up, I see no reason why they wouldn’t pick another center. Everyone is going to be shifted around anyway, and a good center can usually play wing. Huberdeau is a C/LW with a higher ceiling than the strictly-winger Landeskog. I just think the team will take a gamble on that extra ability and versatility.
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Jeebus, the votes really are screwed up, aren't they? ..... Are they?
No way does the top 4 have 0% votes…
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Yeah I think we can remove the players after the top 4 out of this poll
Just hope they fix it by the time we get to number 5-10ish.
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Who is fucking with our poll?
There’s no way that is accurate. This page has only had 28 page views.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I sent it to support. Maybe they can “see” which are the real votes and clean this up for us. Or, at least I hope so. This really sucks.
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So did I
Apparently they can’t fix it and are working on a new polling system.
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Taking suggestions then
on how to know which player “won”
sigh.
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Guess we'll have to make an executive decision on the pick.
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Ugh. OK. We’ll let it play out and discuss when it closes tonight.
Sorry Avs fans.
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its fine
the names that actually matter (Larsson, Landeskog, Huberdeau) haven’t been affected from what I can see.
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spoke too soon
now its all f’ed up…
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From an MHHer:
We are generally pretty split down the middle between Larsson and Landeskog. Landy fills the hole left by the Chris Stewart trade (hopefully) in giving us a strong power forward with scoring ability. Larsson helps to improve a defense that REALLY struggled last year. A few people have talked about Huberdeau or Couturier, but the vast majority are in agreement it will be one of those two. I personally think Landeskog will be the guy, the Avs dont have a great history drafting d-men like Larsson, it’s a little out of their comfort zone i think,but we’ll see!
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by Cole D Hamilton on May 18, 2011 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
and if somehow RNH is available, there’s a monkey wrench in the whole thing.
I think it’s Landeskog
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think in terms of priority, Its RNH is the first choice, then Landeskog, then Huberdeau then Larsson. So it will be one of those top 2 and then pray one of the others sinks like a rock
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by Cole D Hamilton on May 18, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Something we havent really talked about at MHH. Edmonton drafting Larrson.
And there is something definitely wrong with the numbers, 300 for Murphy at #2?
I liken the "depth" of Avalanche centers to a carton of eggs; good for you if cooked properly. Unfortunately I liken the Western Conference to a butter laden frying pan.
Landeskog
because it’s the best name
(I have very little to no knowledge of prospects, other than what I hear/read on boards so this seems like as good of a way as any)
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by Jibblescribbits on May 18, 2011 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
I guess all it comes down to is that predicting this pick is next to impossible. Not only do you have a fairly wide field – Landeskog, Larsson, Huberdeau and Couturier – that are all vying for the spot, you also have a club known for taking picks no one would have expected (Like Joey Hishon in 2010).
However, the Avs have a VERY good track record for drafting. Over the past 2 years, we’ve managed to get an All-Star (Duchene), a great defensive center with a offensive upside (O’Reilly), BOTH of the WHL’s top defensemen from the past 2 years (Barrie and Elliott), the OHL’s 1st-Team All-Star center (Hishon) and one of the WHL’s All-Star goalies (Pickard). Basically, all I’m saying is that whoever the Avs pick is going to be one heck of a player even though we have no idea who it will be.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop talking about it though. What else do I have to do until June 24th?
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