NHL Draft 2011 Round One Open Thread
by BReynolds on Jun 24, 2011 3:00 PM CDT
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It's here, folks. Day one, round one. If you are coming out to the X, be loud and let the hockey world know why Minnesota is the best hockey market in the NHL. If you are not, be sure to join the fun on Versus at 6PM central time. No mater where you are, we hope you will join us here for discussion throughout the first round.
Trades, picks, or just making fun of other teams, the Hockey Wilderness community loves to get together for big events. This is one of the biggest. If you aren't excited about this, you may want to move to the Congo. This is the future of the team, no hyperbole needed.
The Wild, as you should all know by now, hold the 10th overall selection. The Wild will be adding a very good prospect with this pick. Be excited about that.
To be fully prepared, check out the Hockey Wilderness Draft Page, which includes all of our off-season analysis, profiles on our top thirty prospects, our mock draft, as well as who everyone else thinks the Wild will select. We will update this page as the draft progresses, so stick around.
Also, if you are in town for the draft, be sure to check out the visitor's guide, and if you are in Saint Paul tomorrow, come down to the After Party at Bennett's Chop and Railhouse.
After the jump, the order of the first round. Can't wait to see you all here for the first round!
First Round draft order:
1. Edmonton Oilers - Ryan Nugent- Hopkins, Red Deer, WHL
2. Colorado Avalanche - Gabriel Landeskog
3. Florida Panthers - Jonathan Huberdeau
4. New Jersey Devils - Adam Larsson
5. New York Islanders - Ryan Strome
6. Ottawa Senators - Mika Zibanejad
7. Winnipeg - Mark Scheifele
8. Philadelphia Flyers (from Columbus - Jeff Carter trade) - Sean Coutourier
9. Boston Bruins (from Toronto - Phil Kessel trade) - Dougie Hamilton
10. Minnesota Wild - Jonas Brodin
11. Colorado Avalanche (from St. Louis - Erik Johnson trade) - Duncan Siemens
12. Carolina Hurricanes - Ryan Murphy
13. Calgary Flames - Sven Baertschi
14. Dallas Stars - Jamie Oleksiak
15. New York Rangers - JT Miller
16. Buffalo Sabres - Joel Armia
17. Montreal Canadiens - Nathan Beaulieu
18. Chicago Blackhawks - Mark McNeill
19. Edmonton Oilers (from Los Angeles - Dustin Penner trade) - Oscar Klefbom
20. Phoenix Coyotes - Collin Murphy
21. Ottawa Senators (from Nashville - Mike Fisher trade) - Stefan Noesen
22. Toronto Maple Leafs (from Anaheim) - Tyler Biggs
23. Pittsburgh Penguins - Joseph Morrow
24. Ottawa Sentors (from Toronto) - Stefen Noesen
25. Toronto Maple Leafs (from Philadelphia - Kris Versteeg trade) - Tyler Biggs
26. Chicago Blackhawks (from Washington) - Phillip Danault
27. Tampa Bay Lightning - Vladislav Namestnikov
28. Minnesota Wild (from San Jose - Brent Burns trade) - Zack Phillips
29. Vancouver Canucks - Nicklas Jensen
30. Anaheim Ducks (from Toronto Maple Leafs via Boston - Tomas Kaberle trade) - Rikard Rackell
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Whenever I've seen the name of the restaurant Bennetts
I think of Bennigan’s.
"You don't understand anything, man. Leave your STUPID comments in your POCKET!"
But seriously, how is Philadelphia trading into the top 10
going to affect the draft? I was pretty sure Columbus would want to pick a defenceman. Philadelphia’s gotta want a forward, right?
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they need everything...they'll just take BPA
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I'd think Philly would be going for D
They now have JVR, Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn… I think they’re pretty much set for now, but they have a shortage of actual defensive d-men. They have too many offensive d-men. That’s how I see it anyway, I could be wrong
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Am I the only one who thinks...
Winnipeg have no business being called the Jets? Screw nostalgia, it’s A NEW TEAM, they didn’t get their old one back…
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Totally agree. Winnipeg will be called the “Jets”, but still have Atlanta’s records.
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't lose sleep either way.
If that’s what they want, then they should be able to buy it from Phoenix. You think any Coyotes fans are going to be protective over Teemu Selanne’s 72 goals?
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah
That’s one thing though, if WPG wants to retire Selanne’s jersey, they probably should be able to, seeing as he never played in Phoenix… but even that is kind of touchy…
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I agree, Winnipeg should be a different name
If the want to keep the plane motif go with the Falcons.
Blood and death are waiting like a raven in the sky
I was born to die
Hear me while I live
As I look into your eyes
None shall hear a lie
Power and dominion are taken by the will
By divine right hail and kill
Man-o-war
Tired of the Fucking idiots that post on Russo's Rants!!! Somebody put an end to MKIA & Technowild & The other losers.
Or how about the “Winnipeg Bernoulli’s Principle”? I can just imagine the logo…
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The Winnipeg Wright Brothers, Winnipeg Newton's Laws...
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But there were only 2 Wright Brothers…
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This is Where I disagree..
There was too much tradition and fan pressure not to pick the Jets.
Tradition? Fan pressure?
They finally got their team after 19 years of whining, no one owes them anything. If they’re going to bitch about the team name, I know a lot of fans in Atlanta who won’t mind taking the team back, regardless of the name. Besides, it makes no sense to call them the Jets, they’re in Glendale.
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The tradition is also in Glendale.
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Toronto acquires J-M Liles for a 2nd round pick
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by nathaneide on Jun 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
What the Avs GM has shown us...
Anyone can be a GM. Wow.
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Now there are talks that Liles may be headed to Vancouver.
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be kind of surprising
Burke was trying to get Liles at the deadline… then again, never know!
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Corrected
If you aren’t excited about this, you may want to move tothe CongoAtlanta.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Hey-OOOO!
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think icethetics said it was just a puckdrawn concept
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it, but it needs more hockey
Can somebody photoshop a stick or hockey net in there?
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Or if it's dropping pucks from it.
I suppose that would really do some damage, actually.
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Quick interview with Granlund
http://downloads.wild.nhl.com/podcasts/2289_GRANLUND.MP4
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Rubes from Winnipeg have invaded the X and are chanting
Kill me please?
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Thats why I decided not to go to the X tonight.
Had seats in section 108, row 24, gave them to a friend.
stall them! stall them!
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Here we go folks. Everyone excited?
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hell
yeah
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You are not. I don’t buy it. Let me HEAR it damn it. Let’s see some all caps.
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EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Much better.
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Who's first?
EDM going with the Nuge-Hop?
PROTIP: Getting batters out with a lead is the most effective way to win games
imo
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THE NUGE!
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Honoring EJ McGuire here.
Nice touch, NHL. Well done.
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who was that?
I only have radio feed – who were the chicks saying the Oilers have the first pick????
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by minnesotagirl71 on Jun 24, 2011 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
EJ Mc Guire’s family.
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oops - retract the word "chicks" from my previous post
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by minnesotagirl71 on Jun 24, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
pervert
:D
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We are underway
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RT @darrendreger: Ryan Smith to Oilers for Brule and a 4th round pick.
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COL up next
Who goes? Landeskog, Larsson or Huberdeau?
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Adam Larsson
Unless they’re stupid
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...calling me stupid...
I say Landeskog or Huberdeau…
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They should draft on need
They need defensive help next season. Larsson can step in right away
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I’m in love with Landeskog and the Avs could use a winger as well. Defense is also a problem so not surprised if Larsson is picked.
But I love Landeskog
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BOOYAH
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Never heard of him. Did you write about him?
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Stupid. ;-)
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A fascinating point made by mbennett
Gary Bettman
Gru from Despicable Me
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by nathaneide on Jun 24, 2011 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s him!
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For sure
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Panthers are taking… Ty Rattie. ;-)
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YOU DOUBTING ME?!?!?!
evil stare
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Ha! No way. Rattie is no where close to 3. Just poking the bear.
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and the bear is angry
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“poking the bear” and I’m the one who was called a pervert???
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by minnesotagirl71 on Jun 24, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Devils next
Couturier or Larsson?
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Going the opposite to the obvious pick. Calling Couturier to NJD at #4
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I"M WRONG!
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aHHH!!!
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Nothing but failure from you, Chan. ;-)
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I got one wrong. 3/4. Calling Couturier to NYI at #5. But D.Hamilton could very well go #5
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I dougie goes, I hope they play the appropriate song.
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Strome
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my record is !@#$ing up now
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Quit. Sucking.
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Apparently that Hack Buzz Eklund is reporting
Winnipeg has a major offer for the 7th pick.
Yeah, it's Buffalo and it's legit. They want up badly.
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No way they take it. This place is PACKED with peggers
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is it e5?
anything besides e5 is worthless
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Calling Zibanejad to Ottawa at #6
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Bastard. No. Stop it.
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If I get this wrong, Ill stop lol
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BOOYAH!
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Ryan Strome
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2011/6/24/2241198/hw-2011-prospects-ryan-strome
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Shit. Mika is gone to 6 and the Senators. Unhappy.
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The Peg is On the Clock!
AND THE GO JETS GO CHANTS RING OUT!!!!
Couturier still there
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Damn
I wanted Mika, so we will be taking a D-man huh?
Murphy, Couturier, Baertschi, Scheifele
Love all of em
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And the Jets take
Patrik Stefan – Russo is priceless
My next call!
Record 4/6
Calling D.Hamilton to WPG. This is fun!
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totally forgot about him...
but i already said d.hamilton…
ah well…
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Zibanejad
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he's not ours
:-P
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Scheifele
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2011/6/23/2240362/hw-2011-prospects-mark-scheifele
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wow
But i LOVE mark scheifele
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My article on him
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2011/6/23/2240362/hw-2011-prospects-mark-scheifele
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Missed me guys?
Went to a friend’s place for some drinkin’….but he doesn’t have a plugged cable TV :( … anyone know if I can catch the draft on the radio?
Oh, and fuck Ottawa for taking Ziba
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Couturier wouldn't be too bad...
But I would prefer a winger since we already have Koivu and Granlund in the middle
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If that's the case
Go Couturier!
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Cool beans,
Got a radio feed
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Most are against trading down
but now more teams may want to move up, what does the Wilderness think?
My list of forwards include Baertschi, Couturier, and Grimaldi
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If the Wild get
Couturier I would be ecstatic.
ditto
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Agreed.
In love with dougie and PHI needs to add BPA
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Prospects left
Baertschi – goal scoring winger
Couturier – two-way centerman
Murphy – dynamic offensive d-man
Grimaldi – dynamic offensive forward
Really based on your liking
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Good friggin Lord, Are they taking enough time?
It’s moving SO SLOWWWWWWW
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Shut up, Frenchie.
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I don't remember pissing in your coffee ;)
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Zibs and Coutourier off the board. I’m not happy.
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Ahhhh I see
Well, let’s hope for Bart
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Coutourier
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Paul Holmgren broke my heart. No more Couturier falling.
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Wow!
Flyers centers – Giroux, Briere, Schenn and Couturier
with is with all these commerciasl!!!
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I don't want to trade down!
I only got Baertschi and Murphy left on who I want!!!!
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Radio feed DRASTICALLY slow...
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Would've been cool to draft Bathurst boy Couturier
I’m about an hour away from Bathurst… to think, at the beginning of the season, there was talk about him becoming the first New-Brunswicker picked first overall…
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Bruins take Dougie Hamilton
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Bart, Bart, Bart, Bart...
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GO WITH MURPHY OR BAERTSCHI!
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I only got two players left I want
unless we move down one spot, I want these guys!
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Dougie
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2011/6/22/2237682/hw-2011-prospects-dougie-hamilton
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NO WAY IN HELL!!!
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Tired of the Fucking idiots that post on Russo's Rants!!! Somebody put an end to MKIA & Technowild & The other losers.
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I'm sorry for recommending KFAN
They just took at five minute commercial break and have missed two picks.
not too long till it reachers commercial...
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so irritated with them - why aren't they breaking when TV goes to commercials??
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So what happened
to all the trades that were supposed to be happening?
It just sounded
like there were plenty of possible trades out there.
thats all.
where'd you hear this?
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like who?
we have nothing
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So hard to even try to figure out what’s going on at that table. Are they trying to push the drama??
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They're making the pick
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The Minnesota Wild select ... Jonas Brodin. #NHLDraft
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wow
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Brodin... huh... can't say I expected this..
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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Tired of the Fucking idiots that post on Russo's Rants!!! Somebody put an end to MKIA & Technowild & The other losers.
I love Brodin
but he’s not offensive at all.
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SERIOUSLY
I’ve been a backer of this admin but I think they just blew this.
Sigh.
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Extremely mobile, great at his transition game, tremenodus hockey sense.
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Dan, you’re in charge.
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If you guys wanted the smartest player in the draft
Brodin is pretty much one of the smarter players in the draft, like how Granlund was in his draft
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What were they thinking?
Seriously, what the fuck are they thinking?
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Tired of the Fucking idiots that post on Russo's Rants!!! Somebody put an end to MKIA & Technowild & The other losers.
I would rather have had Brodin than Murphy
but I would have preferred Bartschi to both.
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The Wild putting tons of emphasis on hockey smarts
Selected Granlund, Brodin.
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Time to fire Fletcher.
This is the worst draft in the history of the Minnesota Wild franchise. We have way too many Dmen already! We need goal scorers! Maybe I’ll cheer for Winnipeg this year.
Shut up.
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Let's not jump the gun
This is clearly to prepare for a Burns trade… I’m trusting Fletch and Dan on this one, but I can’t say this is what I wanted
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not what i wanted either
but I really like Brodin as well
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...with no defenseman with the potential above #3 d-man
Brodin gives us some talent on the blueline
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Go ahead and root for the jets, You'll just be labled
a band waggoner.
I see how fitting your username is.
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Sarcasm??!? What is this i don’t even
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You've got to be more precise with this
Do you think it’s time to fire Fletch? I sure don’t
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Scandella – 2nd pairing potential
Falk – depth d-man
Stoner – depth d-man
Cuma – injured forever
thats a pretty weak pool IMO
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You forget
Nate Prosser has a lot to offer. He get’s the simple things done, has never had a negative plus/minus rating in the NHL and has championship experience with the Aeros and the USHL’s Sioux Falls Stampede who he captained to win the Clark Cup.
Sorry
But Nate Prosser is not the next top pairing D-man.
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Oh no!
I’m not suggesting that by any means whatsoever, but he’d be a good 2nd/3rd pairing stay at home D.
Ok, sorry :P Read too quickly
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Build from the back?
Our defensive and goalie prospects are real nice!
Burns to Carolina for 12 and Boychuk?
Maybe? Any other trade ideas?
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Or 12 and Drayson Bowman?
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Of course Brodin wasn't the sexy pick
But Fletch knows what he’s doing… I’m putting money on the table that he’s Burns’ replacement..
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Remember Kim Johnssons role on the Wild
Transition game, eats minutes, smart, nonphysical
That is what Brodin is like, from what I can gahter
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Never liked Johnsson
But the Wild visibly became weaker without him, so if Brodin’s going to be that guy, I’ll be O.K. with this pick… if he’s another Leddy though, ugh.
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You mean
Fletch trading the player for a no name player?
Fletch trading him period
But yeah, trading for a no name is worse ;)
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Was way over paid
but I liked the poise and calm he brought to the back end on the break out. I felt he didn’t do as much offensively as he was supposed to, but was solid. Just not for 5 mil.
Dead-on
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For sure
But KJ brought alot to the team. The salary wasn’t his fault.
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Good Damned night, so disappointed right now.
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Murphy is Carolina bound
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Brodin?
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Per Russo
#mnwild called Brodin for another meeting yesterday. He came out of meeting and said, “I want this team.” — per Octagon agent Peter Wallen
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so he hates the Sedins and wants to be a Wild?
I like
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Wow... I like him :)
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I don't think that this necessarily means they're trading Burns.
Brodin isn’t going to contribute right away, you think?
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Hell no
Very lanky. Needs to bulk up and play some top minutes in Sweden
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Not IMO
Doesn’t play physical. His strength is his transition game, making that good first pass.
I would say paired with Scandella in the future
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Well,
Colorado and Edmonton are improving quickly.
Next years standings,
1, VAN
2, Col
3, EDM
4, Cal
5, Min
I don't think its a "replacement"
but I do think that Fletch is setting up for Burnsies departure… Hopefully for Stamkos????
Fletch would deserve a fucking medal for that
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Tampa is short on solid d-man
I live in Tampa now and their D-fense drops like a cliff after the top 3. Though there is NO way they get rid of Stammer, just saying…
Standing O for Aaron Boogaard.
Wild fans never let me down. Awesome.
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Class move by the Blueshirts
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Just nothing happening right now, you know?
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Boring first round. Terrible pick by the Wild. I was supposed to go have fun tonight. Now it will be drowning my sorrows.
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by BReynolds on Jun 24, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You say that and Brouwer gets traded to Washington for a first rounder
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Terrible?
Other than Bartschi, who would have you picked?
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Murphy, Siemens, Armia, Beaulieu
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How could the Wild not trade Zid?
I know he has a no trade clause, but if JML can fetch a second rounder, why cant we move Zid?
Because
Zid has to waive the no trade, and someone would have to be willing to take on his $4mill cap hit… not many people would be willing to touch that… and I doubt that Zids opens up his no trade this year. Once he waives it, it is gone.
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no, not true.
Zid looses his NTC at the trade deadline this season. I think feb time table. JML has a 4.5 mil cap hit.
Beaulieu
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TRADE
Setoguchi, Coyle and the 28th pick overall for Brent Burns & a second round pick. per @TSNBobMcKenzie
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Holy crap :O
Don’t know what to think… I thought Seto was staying seeing as he just re-signed…Bye Burns :(
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VERY HAPPY!
Now theres a reason to watch till the end of the draft lol
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Nice... So Coyle is good?
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This goes to show...
Trust in Fletch… always!
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Floored
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Rhymes...
I was speechless… I just let out loud yelps as Bettman went further into the trade…insane…I’m actually happy… Koivu finally has a scorer and Coyle looks to be a good prospect… and a 1st rounder…wow..
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Looks like it...
I wanted Burnsie to stay, but Setoguchi, Coyle and a 1st rounder? …Wow..
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Pressure was on
To make a big move, and you did.
Seto will THRIVE with Koivu
I'm the type of person who edits his signature every 5 seconds.
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Yup, Koivu finally has his scorer... Koivu will thrive as well.
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I honestly
can say that I am pissed.
Burns is a franchise Dman. why on gods green earth would you trade for Set, and 2 unknowns. Coyle is supposed to be great….I dont know.
Ask me tomorrow how I feel.
Burns is my second favorite player.
maybe....
I like guys like Phillips, Puempel, Namestnikov and Khokhlachev
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if defense
I like Klefbom and Murphy
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Klefbom gone
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Connor Murphy
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Oh, yeah. Duh. Sorry. Head still swirling from the trade
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Comparables: David Backes
Yum
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Damn! I knew I'd miss something!
I wasn’t big on Setoguchi, but the pick is nice, and so is the prospect!
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Seto should be good with Koivu
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Just what the doctor ordered
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Another thing
This Charlie Coyle guy kinda reminds me of Zibanejad… this pleases me.
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Sharks fan here
Don’t get to watch really any Wild games so all i know about Burns is what i hear from others. Anyone care to give a positive review that will help get rid of some of my anger from being completely screwed in that deal?
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Top pairing defenseman
Solid overall game but has the physical size to give that big hit. Also has the ability to sneak in offensively and give off that hard shot of his
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3rd this year in goals for a defenseman… great size… inconsistent, but is more often good than not. Don’t worry, Burns is reaching his prime, and should be great with the Sharks, playing with the likes of Thornton, Marleau, Heatley… He will be scary playing with good players.
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Yeah. I got something
He’s a very good offensive D-man and a capable defender. When he’s on, he’s a Norris Trophy candidate. It’s just that when he’s off… you know.
He won’t pull any Boyles though… I think
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It is an absolute steal for you guys
Ask Kings fans what they think of Drew Doughty’s season last season, and they would say “inconsistent” too. That’s what Burns is. He is 6’5, a dominant physical specimen, but he skates better than Dan Boyle, shoots way harder… he is amazing, elite, in every facet. The complete, perfect defenseman at times. There is no one like him in the NHL. The Wild got absolutely hosed. You are in love with your players because you watch them every night, but the trade is not even close. Dan Boyle is now your #2 defenseman, and it’s not even close. I am in shock at this. It seems like only I and Doug Wilson have watched Brent Burns play. He is amazing. If there was one defenseman in the NHL I could bring to the Kings to play for the next five years, it would probably be Burns.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Good luck
He’s the biggest headcase in the NHL. When he’s on, he’s great. When he’s not, he’s the biggest liability on the roster. Not worth it, especially when he wants to get $6M/year.
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I feel way better about this trade now. Quite frankly my only reason for being upset about seto leaving is the fact that i have his jersey. He was never gonna light the scoreboard with the Sharks but I think a change of scenery and Koivu may do the trick. Best of luck to you guys next year with the gooch. Ill be watching your season much more closely than usual now
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An absolutely terrible trade
I am Kings fan that watches every good team in the West. I’ve watched every game SJ has played for years. Setoguchi is as overrated as they come. He put up less points than Brent Burns last season as a forward playing next to Joe Thornton on one of the highest scoring teams in the league. He is quick, but he has awful hands for a goalscorer and bad balance and edge control. Also subpar hockey sense, no playmaking ability, brings nothing defensively.
Brent Burns meanwhile is one of the most underrated players. He plays on a low scoring team where 2nd assists are hard to come by, yet he still outscored Devin Setoguchi. And Charlie Coyle is a slow “safe” draft pick with limited offensive potential.
This will go down as another gift for San Jose in the vein of the Thornton trade. Burns will likely go on to win multiple Norris trophy’s will the Sharks. You guys just traded one of the most dominant, complete two-way defenseman in the NHL, who is just getting better, and you didn’t even get back a top line forward. You didn’t even get back a complete second line forward. There is no one in the NHL who is 6’5 like Brent Burns, has his size and physical ability, and can skate like he can. It’s him and Doughty is the closest. You trade someone like that for a Jeff Carter at minimum. If they were going to trade him, that’s who you trade him for. A deal like this with a bunch of spare parts and a late first round pick, why didn’t you just hand the Sharks the Cup. As a Kings fan I am absolutely appalled by this. I didn’t think we’d see another Thornton type lopsided trade happen, let alone with the same team, in our division.
I have no idea what your GM was thinking.
What was he thinking?
Don’t spend $6MM on Burns because he’s a headcase.
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yeah right
You really think there will be problems in SJ? We won’t hear a word about headcase for the rest of his career. He is an elite player who got treated like he wasn’t on a team where he had absolutely no help, where the GM never did anything to help his team be competitive. How would you act? Probably a little frustrated, same as Burns. Doesn’t mean anything.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Your value on Coyle is way off. His value has increased drastically since last year and has become a great prospect. Setoguchi is very streaky but when he’s on can be a top line dominant player, much like Burns. The Wild weren’t going to resign him…
Setoguchi is never a top line player
Trust me. He had 42 points last year on one of the highest scoring teams, next to Joe Thornton. There are 3rd liners who get little PP time and have average linemates who put up that production. As for Coyle, he had a good WJC because he’s big and he got to play practically every minute of every powerplay in the prime position, in front of the net. If everything goes perfectly he’s a second line center. Burns is an elite player, everything they got back is “good” at best. It’s an awful deal. 6mil for Burns is very fair, and might turn out to be a steal in a few years. Face it, it’s an awful move. Just wait until you see Setoguchi’s “impact” next year. You think this will help the offense? Brent Burns brought more offense as a defenseman! This will HURT the offense. And whenever you trade a defenseman for a forward, and you’re actually hurting your offense, that is the definition of failing
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about you
But I think Coyle and the first are what Fletcher had his eye on.
I don’t think that Setoguchi was a whole lot more than a 3 million dollar afterthought to balance the salaries.
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
the first is 26th overall
And Coyle was a late first round pick. You are trading one of the best, maybe the best in a few years (or this year, on a good team), defenseman in the NHL. If you want futures, fine, you get Brayden Schenn +, you get a top, top prospect or two. And if you’re really looking for scoring, you trade for an elite forward, someone who, you know, is better at offense than the defenseman you’re giving up!
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Coyle potential top 6 PFW
Who knows what we get with the 1st rounder… never know. We needed a potential 30-40 goal scorer… Seto is a safe bet for at least 25-30 with Koivu… can’t complain too much.
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you Minnesota people
are just too nice and forgiving and laid back as a people. “Can’t complain too much.”
“We needed a potential 30-40 goal scorer… Seto is a safe bet for at least 25-30 with Koivu…”
Exactly. Burns should have gotten back a legitimate 40 goal scorer, like Jeff Carter. A legitimate 40 goal scorer on a normal good team, meaning 50 when put together with Koivu. Setoguchi is a 20 goal scorer on a normal good team, 25-30 with Koivu.
Burns should have gotten a 40 goal scorer on a normal team, he only got a 20 goal scorer. The difference is huge. Let’s not belittle it. The Wild just traded their best defenseman, and they got nothing back that will help them next season. Setoguchi will add some offense, but not as much as they lost in Burns. The Wild are now negative offensively from this deal next year, and a huge negative defensively. The idea was to return positively on offense.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Burns can be a top player in the future, but Setoguchi who is only 24 and already has a 65 point year on his resume can’t improve? Get real. Coyle was a late first round pick but is now considering a much better prospect.
Again, you don't watch the Sharks
That was Mclellan’s first year. He played all season with Thornton, and Mclellan brought a new system that the NHL didn’t adjust to for most the season. It was a system where the Sharks defenseman shot the puck every time they got it, and Sharks forwards got to bang home rebounds. Setoguchi really didn’t have to make any great plays at all. This was the year the Sharks were flirting with setting the best record of all time the first half the season. Were they the best team of all time?No. But somehow they weer performing like it, because of the system. In other words, all their players overperformed statistically because they were getting gifts from the system. Setoguchi got so many open net rebound goals you couldn’t even count them. Since then the league has adjusted to that system, the easy goals aren’t as easy to come by, and look what’s happened to his production?
Why are you ignoring the facts? Setoguchi scored less points than Burns last season. That is the biggest fact here statistically. Setoguchi is a forward, he got to play with Joe Thornton, on a high scoring team, so how did he not score more points than Burns, a defenseman, on a low scoring team? He would have to be WAY worse for that to happen. And it did happen, so, therefore, he is.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Burns might be that player
But he’s not valued the way that a guy like Richards was.
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Burns scored because nobody else on the roster could
He’ll try to do too much and cost them. Watch.
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That's ridiculous logic
He scored because no one else could? Having other people who can score HELPS your production, it doesn’t make it better. He didn’t hit 50 points this season not because of his goal total (17), but because of his assist total. That’s because no one scored around him. He’ll probably have 65-70 points in San Jose next season. Its a terrible trade. I wont harp on it any longer. Im upset with it because it’s not really fair. GMs are supposed to know well enough to not give away their best players, because it creates unfair situations. Now SJ has a leg up on everyone because they were in a position to accept a gift where others werent. If LA was deep at forward on needing defense (instead of the other way aeround), im sure they would have received the gift in exchange for Schenn and Simmonds. But because they weren’t in a position to take the gift, SJ got it, and now we’re at a disadvantage because your GM decided to give away an elite defenseman without asking anything elite in return. Why not Couture? Pavelski, at least. Setoguchi is the guy they WANTED to give away, of everyone they had!
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Scoring because no one else could
Olli Jokinen…. not that ridiculous, buddy.
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It's extremely ridiculous
I have no idea what Olli Jokinen has to do with this. He used to be a good player. He’s tailed off. Nothing to do with your insane theory. Plus Burns isn’t the only offensive defenseman on this team. Let’s not forget Clutterback, Koivu, Havlat. Jesus. The more I think about it the less sense you make, and you made no sense to begin with. There are other scorers on this team at both forward and defense!
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You're wrong
But have a nice day
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Other scorers?
Yeah, you’re right, we have more 30-goal scorers than we know what to do with.
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Scorers on which team? The Wild? Um… no. We have play makers, not scorers. None. Not one. No one who will even shoot the puck.
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Just because he’ll get 70 points with SJ doesn’t mean we lost the trade. Seto is exactly what we needed, Coyle seems to be a home-run prospect and we get a 1st rounder to boot. We have to look at what WE gained, not what SJ gained.
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Also, both teams might win from this trade.
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
Seto didn’t quite fit in the team. It showed this year.
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How is Seto what this team needed?
This team needed a 3rd line one-dimensional sniper who can’t even score goals, which is supposed to be his one strength? This team needed a Jeff Carter to play with Mikko Koivu. This taem needed a top line sniper. Setoguchi is not that. Setoguchi is Voracek, Brassard. Setoguchi is Mason Raymond if Raymond were slower, and a goalscorer instead of a stickhandler. He is not the top line player you guys need. You’ll see.
Coyle is not a home-run prospect. Jesus. He was a late 1st rounder. Look at the scouting reports when he was drafted. “Dont know if he has enough skill to have his offense translate to the NHL. Might just be a third liner.”
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Carter is a center, wouldn't have played with Koivu,
Coyle was a late 1st rounder and Datsyuk was a 7th rounder. Fact of the matter is, Coyle is now projected to be a top 6 power forward, we can live with that. Also, on SJ, Seto may have been as 3rd liner, but on the Wild, he suddenly becomes perhaps our top goal scorer. He’s not better than Burns, but he’s going to help us in a way we needed help.
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So let me ask you this, you came to a Wild blog to argue that the Wild got hosed, but the fans here say you are wrong. I’ll put my knowledge of the Sharks, and especially the Wild, over yours any day of the week. You know, since you’re a Kings fan. You under value the Sharks players, over value Burns because he coming to a team you hate.
This is a good trade for both sides. That’s how things work. Not every thing works the way you want it to. If the Wild got fleeced, no one here seems to think that.
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Just a heads up — the inspect member button on this guy will be very revealing.
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Oh, and he is NOT a Kings fan. He’s a Sharks fan who often tries to pose as one who roots for other teams, to cause trouble on their blogs.
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We're saving money... and we get one or two great prospects...
Sure Burns will be good with SJ… but Seto is the 1st line scorer we needed, even if he shouldn’t be… he’s much better than Mittens for sure.
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As a Kings fan I am absolutely appalled by this.
New blog, same old lies! As if the Sharks-centric nature of your comments didn’t give it away.
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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! Banned by Fear the Fin, Jewels from the Crown and Winging it in Motown. That’s one hell of a collection.
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Jackinthebox too... pretty muich the only one here though
And I wanted Burns to stay.
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thank you
Maybe I should put it differently.
Burns vs Lidstrom, the Norris trophy winner this year: Burns is way, way bigger, stronger, faster, a better stickhandler, and he shoots harder. Lidstrom has better hockey sense, passes better, and shoots more accurately. But Burns has him beat in most areas.
Burns vs Shea Weber: Burns is taller, faster, a much better skater and stickhandler, is more creative offensively, and passes better. Burns has him beat in most areas besides toughness, defensive positioning, and shot speed.
Burns vs Pronger: Burns is faster, skates much better, stickhandles better, is more creative offensively. Pronger is better defensively, but Burns has him beat in most areas.
This is the player we’re talking about. He is an elite defenseman, maybe the best defenseman in the NHL on a good team. They got nothing even close back.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Burns
But I think you may be exagerrating a bit. YES, Burns is everything you said… one night out of two. I know we needed him BADLY, but we’ll live.
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NO! Without Burns, Wild fans will die and wither into dust!
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
so maybe he didnt bring it every night
maybe he was disillusioned with the stagnancy of the team. The point is the talent was there. I obviously think he should have been kept, but if you’re going to trade him because, liek you said, he wasn’t bringing it for this team every night, then you get a real return! They just got massive quantity over quality. This is the epitome of that type of trade. You need to get that one quality piece, the top liner, and then if you can get a prospect on top of that, you worry about that after you get the top liner on the table. What they did here is just a disaster. Setoguchi is going to be so bad for you guys. He was so reliant on Thornton and the Sharks specific system that helps its players get easy goals. He is going to be so awful for you guys.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
Mark my words, Seto gets around 30 goals with a change of scenery and Koivu, which is exactly what we needed.
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That's because they're homers
they watch their players play all season and fall in love with them. How many neutrals do you expect to watch the Wild, who are considered a boring team for the neutral? They just overvalue their own and undervalue players they know nothing about. It doesn’t mean anything about the trade. Perception is not reality.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness
They’re probably not going to be boring for much longer.
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No i agree
But that’s just the reputation. My point was they love their own players and most know nothing about Burns because they don’t watch the Wild.
by jacktheboxboss on Jun 24, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You talk about homers
Yet you think Burns to be the best defenseman in the NHL if he weren’t a Wild player? Look in the mirror buddy.
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Interesting..
Seto scored 41 points last year…
In the last 33 games he scored 15 goals and 13 points(28 points)
What is wrong with the Canadians?
The city of Minnesota? WTF. St. Paul is the city, Minnesota is the state.
I leave for an hour
and Fletch blows up the Wild.
You say that like they're Philadelphia.
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy this is fun. Still speechless.
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or Phillips
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I want Alexander Khoklachev,
That would be a good pick.
Almost 28th!!!
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All of a sudden
I’m hoping for Boone Jenner
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Jaskin, Phillips or Rattie?
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They're keeping the pick
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WHY DON’T YOU MARRY HIM?!?!?!
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Wild take Zach Phillips. Nice first day.
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Damn right. I liked him at 10. At 28? Fucking steal.
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Solid 1st round for the Wild
Brodin, Coyle, Phillips, and Setoguchi for Burns
Agreed, wow
Now let’s get rid of Barker and pick up a couple 2nds for tomorrow!
That would make the day so much better....
Get rid of barker, add prospects to the cupboard!
Give him to Florida. Or something. I don’t even know anymore
by unyieldingflan on Jun 24, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369913
could be too late anyways!
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who says ginormous contracts can't be moved?!
haha
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Let's say Burns was traded for Carter
Carter got Voracek, Couturier and a 3rd rounder.
Burns and a 2nd got Seto, Coyle and Phillips
Not that far off..
Carter got more of course
But Carter is probably better than Burns so its fair
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I wouldn't want to be stuck with Carter's contract.
He is one Dipietro from being done and leaving them stuck for the next 11 years.
I'm partial here but
I think the Wild got a better deal.
Just tuned in
really interesting approach to the draft by CF and the FO. Never expected the Wild would go Brodin, but love the Burns trade. Now let’s move Barker :)
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5-6 is just really hard to ignore.
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by Georgie Fruit on Jun 24, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We got Phillips?
Fucking sweet. I got to see him play in Saint-Jean, loved him.
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Yeah
In the two games I went to see them, I was mesmerized by Philips and Jurco… I wish we took Jurco though.
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Pierre Lebrunn of ESPN.com Reporting it's
Rostislov Olesz for Brian Campbell straight up
Nice salary dump Chicago
Obviously Talon loved this guy as he originally signed him to the ridiculous contract in the first place. Maybe he will take Barker for, well I don’t even really care!
good point
I never thought of it that way.
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Sorry, I've tuned out for a while, but...
One thing I love about the Burns trade is that Seto is only at 3 mil a year. A 3 mil first line winger is pretty good. that’s fantastic and allows us cap space to sign Granlund, Larsson, Zucker,etc… in the future. I am also loving the Phillips pick up. 95 pts last year is a lot of pts. In Fletch I Trust!!!
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