Minnesota Wild Reader Top 20 Prospects: Who is the Best of the Middle of the Class?
Our top five has been effectively rounded out, and we must now move forward to our sixth best prospect as voted on by you, the readers. Still plenty of very good, very solid prospects to go through, and just one month to go before training camp. A month, folks. Good times.
Our list thus far is:
1. Mikael Granlund
2. Charlie Coyle
3. Jason Zucker
4. Marco Scandella
5. Jonas Brodin
Who will be next? Cast your vote. If you need a refresher, the names and stats are after the jump.
We are using using Dan's definition of prospect from last year:
Requirements for rookies:
*Under the age of 27
**Has played less than 53 NHL Games (some exceptions apply e.g Gillies)
***Has played less than 4 years of pro hockey
Still in the Game:
Casey Wellman - Houston Aeros
After landing the top college free agent prize last summer, the Wild sent their prize to Houston to further develop. He also got a taste of NHL action, and performed admirably in the role he was given. Wellman looks to be a top six forward, which in the Wild organization is still not loaded with top end talent, but is suddenly rather crowded. Wellman has proven he deserves his chance, and with Mike Yeo behind the bench, maybe Wellman gets the first call up to fill an injury hole in the top six.
Jonas Brodin - Fargestads
The first of the 2011 NHL Draftees to make the poll, Brodin was impressive at Wild development camp. Brodin's skating has been praised, hearing words like "skates like the wind." I'm still not sure how the wind skates, but if it's good, then so be it. He is not an offensive d-man by any means, so his defensive and puck moving abilities better justify his 10th overall draft position. We don't have much to work with on Brodin, but he has to be considered near the top of the prospect rankings, if only because he is the newest member of the top first round pick club for the Wild.
Matt Hackett - Houston Aeros
Hackett took the starting goalie job in Houston as his own after Anton Khudobin was traded. All Hackett did from then on was backstop the Aeros to the Calder Cup finals. His form is solid, his technique quiet. Hackett is the de facto starter in Houston next season, but with Darcy Kuemper and his 7215 awards from last season coming in, there will be competition. Hackett is the top goalie prospect, but nothing says that lasts through this season. Should be fun to watch how it plays out.
Zack Phillips - St. Johns Sea Dogs
Phillips became a member of the Wild via a draft pick brought back from trading Brent Burns. If the pressure wasn't on this kid just being a first round pick for the Wild, it was doubled after being forever tied to the successes and failures of a fan favorite. Ninety-five points playing pivot for Jonathan Huberdeau, Phillips is already a champion winning the coveted Memorial Cup this past season. It will certainly be interesting to see if Phillips can continue those numbers without Huberdeau, and equally interesting to see if Wild fans can forgive him for playing for the same team that James Sheppard once played for.
Jared Spurgeon - Minnesota Wild / Houston Aeros
Is Spurgeon still a "prospect?" He still has to earn and keep his spot on the roster. He still meets Dan's definition. That's good enough for me. Spurgeon has performed admirably, and is certainly the most NHL ready prospect. Does that make him better than the guys a year or two away? Or does potential upside play a part? That's for you to decide. Spurgeon is certainly a top prize, and is no longer someone anyone has doubts about. If this were December, my bet is, Spurgeon doesn't make the list because he will have too many games played. What that means for his rank? Cast your vote.
Johan Larsson
Larsson is still a relative unknown to most, playing in the Swedish Elite League, and having a fair amount of success. He certainly is one of the top prospects, but how his game will translate, how his chemistry is with teammates, and who those teammates will even be are all still up in the air. With Jonas Brodin in the mix now, the Wild have some strong Swedish connections. Eight points in 43 games is not overly reassuring, but how he develops and the role he plays as he grows will tell us more.
Jonas Brodin
Turns out, we had Brodin on the poll, but not in the report. My bad.
Where Brodin fits in the scheme of things should be fun to see debated. He is clearly a year or two from even sniffing the NHL, and defenseman are notorious slow to develop. The reports I read say he is more NIck Schultz than Brent Burns, but likely falls somewhere in between. The Wild could use a top tier, shut down, puck moving defenseman in the ranks. His selection was not popular at the draft, with fans or certain authors writing this particular post, but he is slowly growing on us. His skating is incredible, his vision is top-tier, and he was certainly worth a top ten pick.
Cody Almond
We need to add into the mix some of the guys that have been around awhile. Almond was the number eight prospect according to Dan last December. Is he still there? Higher? Lower? It always seems that Almond is just on the edge of making his mark in the NHL, only to be sent back to Houston yet again. Where he fits in the lineup is still tough to predict. He strikes me as a Kyle Brodziak type player, that fits a bit everywhere, and not completely anywhere. He may not be the next coming, but he sure needs to get an extended sniff. And soon.
Colton Gillies
Ah... Gillies. What do we do with Colton Gillies. The final member of the blown development club, Gillies looks to be ready to step into the NHL and play a role in the defensive, checking game. Certainly not what anyone wanted when the Wild traded up to select him, but hey... an NHL player is an NHL player, right? (This is where you reassure us by saying, "right.") It is tough to rank Gillies very high, but he still has to be considered somewhere. He is back on track to be where he should have been two years ago. Is he a late bloomer? A ruined project? As always, somewhere in between.
Tyler Cuma
Injuries scare the bejebus out of fans, GMs, and players alike. Freak injuries, coupled with nagging injuries, Cuma has always been just about to find his groove, only to be knocked back down by the next injury on his sheet. It's too bad, too, because Cuma was well liked by many in the NHL, and was a bit of surprise when they selected him. He is an offensive type that has settled into a defensive role, and hopefully he can find some health, and find a role in the franchise. With d-men already tough to develop, and a glut of them in the organization, Cuma needs to do something, and soon, to stand out from the crowd. Here's hoping he does.
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Who is voting for him in each poll?
Went with Hackett again. Top goalie prospect, had a great year with the Aeros last year, getting better as the year went on, was a vital part of the run to the Calder cup finals. The Wild seem to be banking on Hackett, or Kuemper, taking over the mantle from Backstrom in 2 or 3 years. A lot of eyes will be on Hackett this year, to see how he progresses from last season, and with Darcy pushing him for time.
I'm still surprised Hackett has lasted this long
he’s one of the more accomplished prospects the Wild has! He’s winning a lot of games everywhere he goes, and he’s proving himself at every level.
I like this guy a lot.
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No joke. Not trying to rag on any readers/voters or players, but picking Brodin and right now Philips seems arbitrary. Truth be told, has anyone actually seen either of these kids play? Brodin and Phillips, as exciting as they are, still haven’t show anything to me on the next level to rank above Hackett. One is a WHL star who played along side Huberdeau, and one hasn’t played in North America.
Like I said, I’m not here to bash Brodin or Phillips. I just they they’re a little too raw to be ranked this high already.
by JDesthubert on Aug 18, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Phillips is receiving a lot of hype for his play at the prospect camp. Apparently he was ripping it up. However, Hackett is consistently performing at high levels in PROFESSIONAL play. I think it’s crazy that Hackett would be considered a lesser prospect than Phillips at this time.
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Agree on Phillips
But with Brodin, he was a top 10 pick. If he isn’t one of our top 5 prospects as a top 10 pick, than CF failed. And I trust his judgement which is why I voted for him at 5. I did vote for Hackett at 6 though.
Well that depends...
Wouldn’t you say that that completely depends on the number, quality, and progression of the prospects already in the system? Where a prospect fits in on a subjective ranking like this should take into account not only draft position, but development since, what level and how they are performing at that level, how long from making an impact in the NHL, and what that likely impact will be.
Brodin, if the Wild have done a good job scouting and then developing the kid, should turn out to be a heck of a player. Hackett is already a few steps further down that path to being a heck of a player.
by Krotz the Wall on Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Hackett was a solid goalie this year, but its not like he tore the world apart. He finished 13th and 15th in the AHL in GAA and SV% respectively(with 5 and 6 other rookies ahead of him in both cases). So he was essentially an average goaltender in the league. I’m not sure how that makes it a big deal that he is after Brodin.
Really the only thing so far I think is wrong is Zucker is to high at 3, but I think that’s because he plays in the WCHA and those around Minnesota have seen him play alot more than really any of our other prospects.
Um... because
Your argument does not take in to account that Brodin had almost no numbers in his last season, with scouts only talking about his skating, poise, and quick decisions. How can success at the AHL mean less than not failing as a 17 year old professional in Sweden and good skating?
by Krotz the Wall on Aug 18, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Hacks was the #1 goalie in his draft class and had a solid run during the Calder Cup Playoffs. His numbers probably look worse than they actually are because he had to take over for Khudobin halfway through the season before the Aeros actually put everything together.
As for Zucker, he was one of the best freshman in all of college hockey, not just the WCHA. I know it’s not the only stat that counts, but Zucker’s point totals make Coyle look like a child trying to figure out how to play the game.
Let’s be honest, if you didn’t know anything about either player, what sounds more impressive? 7 goals – 19 assists – 26 points in 37 games, or 23 goals – 22 assists – 45 points in 40 games?
by JDesthubert on Aug 18, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on the Zucker argument. Love that kid.
by Pewterschmidt on Aug 19, 2011 7:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's flawed logic.
The fact that Brodin may not be in the Top 5 in the system, even though he was a consensus first-rounder, considered by some to be Top 15- Top 10 for TSN- and draws Niklas Lidstrom comparisons, speaks more to Chuck Fletcher’s success in accumulating young talent than the perception that he failed by not bringing a “Top 5” prospect.
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by Georgie Fruit on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree. Plus, this draft was a down year, with even the top-end talent being totally overshadowed by last year’s draft. I personally believe if Mikael Granlund was in the 2011 NHL Draft, he could have easily threatened for the #1 spot over RNH, but I’m also in a small camp that believes Hopkins doesn’t have the “wow factor” that a #1 should.
Poor Darcy…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 19, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Had to pick Hackett
He’s a goalie prospect who has been pretty productive at the minor league level. Showed success playing in Mike Yeo’s system. Excited to see the competition between him and Kuemper play out.
Get Bulmer’s bio on, and Brodin’s bio off.
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I went with Zack Phillips.
He had a really impressive prospect camp, and don’t forget about his season with Saint John.
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I need to see more of him
Personally i’m hopeful for Phillips, but need to see more from him. Its really easy to get overhyped about a prospect that put up a lot of points, playing with a great player. I just can’t gauge how much his success was based on playing with Huberdeau. It will be fun to follow him from a far to see how he does now that he is going to be the man on the team. If he follows up with a similiar point total, than I will get excited for him.
And if he can improve his skating.
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by Georgie Fruit on Aug 18, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I went Phillips,
Hackett is good, but I dont put much stock in goalie “prospects” because most goalies come into their own much later than offensive or defensive prospects.
And b/c there are so many goalie prospect flops. I think Hackett will be good at his current growth rate, but 2years away or 5 years away? phillips has a better chance to be here in 2-3 years IMO.
See, I find this a bit discordent.
You feel the numbers put up by a guy in the Junior leagues, and playing on a line with the #3 pick of the draft, are more illustrative of long term quality and development than the play, progress, and numbers put up by Hackett in the AHL, one step below the NHL?
Don’t get me wrong, I like what I’ve heard, and the very little that I’ve seen, of Phillips. The big question now is what he’ll do when he’s expected to be the MAN, not just get the puck to the MAN. I think he’ll step up, but to what extent and how is very much the question. Hackett already answered the question of what he’d do the year following the draft, stepping into that #1 on his junior team. He’s answered the question of if he’d progress his game in the AHL. He’s already shown that he can perform in a pressure situation with other PRO players.
The development curve is often longer for goalies, yes, but he’s a couple years further down that path than Phillips. Backstrom has two years left on his contract, if he stays that long… I have a feeling that the Wild will be looking to depend on one of their AHL goalies before Phillips is making his mark with the Wild.
by Krotz the Wall on Aug 18, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know if one can even argue that Hackett falls in the slow developer category. I feel like he’ll be NHL ready after this upcoming season and any time spent in the AHL after that will be just be extra seasoning.
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I Agree
that Hackett is a beast. Putting up solid #’s in a professional setting, but like I said, its a personal opinion that I dont put much stock in goalie “prospects”. plain and simple, I dont call goalies prospects. I call them projects. b/c simple fact is that they take longer to develop.
Now there are always exceptions to the rule. Carey Price, M. A. Flurrey (sp.) but most goalies end up coming into their own, 26 and later, not 19-22 like most forwards. D takes a little longer as well.
I never said placing Phillips at 6 meant he was going to be the next Ovie, I just said he is our 6th best prospect, and as I just stated, I really dont consider goalies “prospects”, its my opinion.
Proven results at a high level.
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by Georgie Fruit on Aug 18, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course, I voted for Phillips...as usual...
From what we’ve seen at prospect camp, Zack cannot only get the puck to the man, but he can also be the man. Was I the only person who noticed the chemistry he developed with Granlund and Larsson? They knew where the others were going to be before anything even happened. I do agree that I’d like to see how well he does this year as the go-to guy for SJ. He may have been enjoying the benefit of having #3 overall on his line, but 90+ points is nothing to sneeze at and he did get drafted 28th overall. Chuck Fletcher sees something good in this kid, otherwise he never would have drafted him.
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Just a reminder...
James Sheppard also appeared as an absolute beast at no less than 2 prospect camps, and he also had a “monster” pre-season for the Wild before his final active season here, where he had several people say he was going to have an absolute breakout season. A good couple days and a scrimmage or two, ore even a camp, do not equate to a season of solid numbers in the AHL and a steady progression over multiple years.
by Krotz the Wall on Aug 18, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i miss Shepard....
No I don’t.
by Pewterschmidt on Aug 19, 2011 7:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The main difference though
Shep was rushed, the current crop of kids won’t be.
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