Fighting the Darkness and the Game We Love
With three deaths in four months, all to the enforcer class of the NHL, the reaction is easy, and justifiable. Clearly the NHL needs to ban fighting, destroy the warrior class that has patrolled the league for decades. This is the best, or only way, to stem the tide of the tragedies; remove fighting, all fighting, from the game.
It is time for the NHL to be enlightened, to be wiser in its age, and to follow the path of other sports in which fighting is seen as a suspendable offense, not a five minute sit down. This will end the deaths, they say. It will help us remove depression and misery from the players. Help to return them to heroic status. It will help us to escape the darkness.
You've all read this in the past months, and particularly in the past 24 hours, right?
Make the jump and let's discuss the game we love. Openly, honestly, and among friends.
The Problem We Face
The line of thinking before the jump is becoming pervasive. The fans are to blame for enjoying the fights, the GMs are to blame for pushing the guys to fight with job offers and contracts, and coaches are to blame for tapping them on the shoulder to take the ice and do battle.
To a point, all of that is correct. Some players simply do not have what it takes to be a skill player in the NHL, so they use size, grit, toughness, and yes, fisticuffs to get there. They ply their trade, many despite a complete aversion to the method they have chosen to earn a living. Derek Boogaard wouldn't have harmed a fly off the ice. George Parros is Princeton educated. So many examples of enforcers who would have preferred to not be, but did anyway.
There are reasons, of course, as to why they do it. Not wanting to give up the game, the allure of big money, or to take care of their families in the only way they can see to do so. Many in the "real" world do the same everyday. We all have a career we would like, and we all have a career we have. They, more often than not, do not match.
This can lead to all kinds of stresses, and as a result, stress relief. Some find healthy outlets, others find destructive outlets. No matter the person or the situation, everyone finds... an outlet. Turning to friends, to hockey, to escapes from reality like movies or books. Others turn to drugs, to alcohol, or to violence. Some simply swallow it, never admitting there is an issue, to anyone. Not to their closest friends or to their families. Especially not to themselves.
Where the Problem Takes Us
We have zero proof that any of the deaths this summer are linked to depression. Rick Rypien was open about his battle with the disease, as part of being diagnosed as bipolar. Derek Boogaard may have been, we'll never know. Wade Belak is reported to have taken his own life. Depression is likely involved, but that is impossible to know now.
Still, fans across all mediums are talking about depression. You know what? Good on 'em. Even with absolutely no evidence that depression is tied into any of these deaths, it is still healthy and welcome to openly discuss the disease, its signs and symptoms, and the terrible results if left untreated.
The troubling part comes when people with no experience with the disease chime in with their paleolithic descriptions of both depression and of suicide. "Suicide is selfish" read one tweet last night. "Why don't depressed people go see a happy movie and get over it?" read another.
Stop for a second here if you feel the same way, and replace the words "suicide" and "depression" with the word "cancer." Now how do you feel?
Mental illness is a stigma laced, scary topic. One no one wants to discuss it, and yet is something everyone will likely have to deal with in their lifetimes. Whether it be yourself or someone close to you, someone in your life will battle mental illness, whether you know it or not.
Where We Have Been
When it comes to our sporting warriors, they are... different. We want them to be superhuman, perfect, masters of the universe. Nothing could stop the Boogeyman. Not after witnessing him silence an entire bench of Anaheim Ducks after Brad May sucker punched Kim Johnsson. Boogey was too big, too bad, too strong for any of it. We learned too late that we were wrong.
We mourned Derek, and we moved on. Then we were slapped across the face by the death of Rick Rypien. We openly discussed our sport, but we moved on again. This time, maybe a litter faster. This is too much to bear we said. Too much to think about. Too much to accept. Easier if we just move past it. Don't talk about it, don't think about it. Just. Move. On.
Hockey season will save us. October is just around the corner. August is gone. Nothing more can happen to our hockey family. It just can't. It was time for our heroes to return to the ice, to remove the pain and let us escape once again, unscathed.
Then, the news of Wade Belak came to us. Many of us, myself included, instantly went numb. The mental walls go up, the emotional guards stand ready. We block it out. Not this time, we say. It's not true. It isn't real. Surely, someone is just playing a cruel joke on us.
I was, to steal a phrase from Pink Floyd, comfortably numb shortly after reading the news. The emotional guards had won the battle. I prepared to write the post for HW that I had written twice already. Condolences to the family. Thoughts and prayers. We are well versed in this by now, right? Unattached. Beaten down. Numb.
Then, we read Wade left behind two daughters, ages seven and five. I don't know why, but that killed the numbness. A new level of pain was introduced into the equation. For those new to the site, I have two daughters myself, ages nine and three. When I read of Wade's children, it was real. The numbness ripped away and a new knife shoved into an all too fresh emotional wound.
We waited for shock to set in. It didn't. We were left to deal with it. Collectively alone.
Where Do We Go Now?
Humans are hard wired to find solutions, to find order in the chaos. We reach into the darkness and pull back anything we can hold tight enough. We search for fast solutions to our deepest problems.The darkness is terrifying, and when we cannot light it, it becomes even more ominous. We shout into it, begging the enemy to shows its face, and we are answered only by silence.
In that silence, we look around, we ask each other what can we do to help. What can we do to make it stop, to make it... better.
End fighting in the NHL. Wise up, guys, you're killing yourselves, we say. We admit they have a choice, and then hedge by saying that they had little other to offer. Damn you NHL, and damn you NHLPA, why don't you care? Why don't you do something? Fix this. Fix it for us. Take away our fear and our discomfort. Help us become numb once again. Why, oh why, oh powerful lords of our game, why do you not answer our calls? Show your faces.
Silence.
We reach for the solutions in the darkness. We say "this will fix it."
End fighting. Eliminate the warrior breed.
The Problem Doesn't End There
To say that eliminating fighting in the game would eliminate the problem is simplistic. It is admirable that people want to do something, anything, to make it stop, but simple solutions to complex problems almost always make things worse. Complex issues demand complex solutions, and we don't seem to have the time for that.
Change in the world is painful, and it is agonizingly slow. We are in pain, and we want it to stop. We are blinded by the emotional blood in our eyes, by the very tears we use to clear our vision.
Eliminating the warrior class will not solve our problem. It will only make the darkness deeper.
Who takes the place of the warriors? We say if the league would just enforce the rules, the gladiators would not be necessary. No more head shots. There is a solution. A crackdown on the kind of hits that make the "goon" necessary. If the league would just get rid of Matt Cooke, everything would be fine. After all, our version of the Boogeyman isn't needed if there are no monsters, right?
Utopia. The world is our oyster and nothing can rattle us from our bliss. Hockey is only about scoring goals, about the beauty of the game. There are no subtexts, no grudges, no anger amongst the combatants. They take the ice, and at high speed flash their skills with the precision and beauty of a highly armed figure skater.
We have our solution, now the powers that be, in their lofty towers, simply must put it into place. We know what is best. We have faced the darkness for almost 24 hours, and we have other plans to attend to. Just get it done. Light this part of the darkness for us, so we can feel better.
The solutions are not that simple. Eliminating fighting from the game only serves to remove the darkness from our view. It does not light the path, it simply turns our attention away from it. It focuses us on a new, "safer" path. One on which the darkness is held at bay, just off the horizon, for someone else to deal with.
Eliminating fighting from the game does not make the players less human. It will not end drug abuse or addiction. It will not cure depression, or make it so another player never considers suicide. Removing fighting from the game is a noble quest. One I would not argue against, nor for. I have no stance on the issue, none at all. The game is what it is, and if fighting is removed, it will still be just what it is.
Fights will still occur, even if the rule book says they cannot. Players fight in baseball, they fight in football, and they fight in basketball. Competition gets the better of human beings, and they will fight to protect their honor or that of their teammates.
Embrace the Darkness
The only way to make this better is to embrace the darkness that is not only in front of us, but all around us. We want the negatives of life removed from our view when we enter our sports filled realm. We want the darkness banished, walled off from our escape, away from our hiding place from our own personal darkness.
Instead of fighting the darkness, and attempting to remove it from the aspects of our lives where it is not welcome, perhaps the message should be to turn and face the darkness. Together. To let it know that it will not envelop us, that we will stand and fight for our on ice "heroes," the way they fight for us day in and day out.
Perhaps it is time to escape the myopic view of seeing this as a hockey issue, and to start to see this for what it really is. A community issue. A societal issue. A human issue.
Rather than cast stones at those who set the laws, calling for them to make the game brighter, to banish the darkness for us, perhaps now is the time for each and every one of us to turn to each other, to make sure our friends and family are not caught in the darkness. Perhaps it is time to reach not into the darkness for a solution, but instead to put our backs together and say to one another "the darkness shall not take you while I am here."
Perhaps it is time to not only address the issues in the game we love so dearly, but also to address the issues that surround us outside of sport. Perhaps it is time for each of us to admit to ourselves what our weaknesses are, and accept the weaknesses of others. Perhaps it is time for the hockey family to fight the darkness together, as one. To rise up an army as large as the NHL fan base and beyond, and to fight the darkness. Together.
Perhaps it is time.
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Thank you, Bryan.
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by Cassie McClellan on Sep 1, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
Holy $#!# – that’s a powerful read.
People seem to be focusing on the fighting, but depression can be caused by so much more than just fighting. After the loss of Boogaard, I really started thinking about the toll the game can take on players. Concussions, chronic pain, road trips taking them away from family, emotional rollercoasters from winning, losing, being scratched, traded and brutally criticized by every “fan” …any of these things could contribute to situational depression and make chronic depression damn difficult to manage.
Hockey players are expected to be tough, strong, practically indestructible – they pull their own teeth out while on the bench, they get stitched up in the locker room and are back on the ice – barely missing a shift. How can we then expect them to say “I need help”? Or “I’m sad” or “I’m scared” or “I hurt and I don’t know what to do”?
Who can tell them (and actually convince them) that it’s ok to say these things? And that it doesn’t make them any less strong to seek help? I think it will need to come from within their own ranks of current or former players. Players they respect and admire. I hope it happens soon.
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by minnesotagirl71 on Sep 1, 2011 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This was a beautiful post. People are uncomfortable not having the answers and getting rid of fighting is something easy and tangible to grab on to. I don’t love fighting in hockey on its own but I do often end up loving fighters. I’m not sure what that says about me.
Just curious where you saw Rypien was diagnosed with bipolar. I knew he had been living with depression for years but didn’t think a diagnosis had been released.
Thank you for writing this.
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Brilliant.
Just brilliant. Wish I could rec this twice.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 1, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
Bravo, infinity times
Simply inspiring.
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This was easily the best thing I’ve read in years. You hit the nail on the head when you said that banning fighting can’t solve the problem. I’m no longer sure if fighting is the problem.
When I read the tweets from Chris Dingman last night, I was instantly reminded of the stories of Vietnam veterans who returned home just to find the world moving 10x faster than when they left it. Totally different situation, but the idea is the same with retired players. You’ve been disconnected from the world for years and are suddenly left to pick up the pieces when its all over. Retired at 40, what do I do now?
I guess hundreds of players can make the transition ‘back to reality’, but we never hear about them. They ride away into the sunset to never be seen again. Others can’t make the transition and tumble down onto the cold hard concrete.
Maybe they miss the support group of twenty other guys in the locker room. Maybe they miss the routine of an 82 game season. You can sense it in their tweets, they aren’t just excited for training camp, they’re anxious for it. And thats just after 4 months of summer, now consider being removed from your passion for the rest of your life.
There is a definite mental toll of being in the NHL, maybe the NHL isn’t easing the players into retirement, setting them down gently. Maybe life just turned 180 too fast for Wade Belak.
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by Chris S Roberts on Sep 2, 2011 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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Print this post out. Stick it on your wall.
Look at it when you’re about to rag on a guy for not trying as hard as you’d like him to. For not having maximum competitive fire every game. For showing up at camp out of shape. For not recovering fast enough from an injury. For not perfectly following a coach’s instructions. For being inappropriately selfish. For taking stupid penalties. For giving up when a game, or the season, looks out of hand. For avoiding the media, or reacting badly to them. For always seeming to have a nagging injury. Hell, reckless driving is a symptom of depression, so it’s probably best to stay away from Heatley entirely.
I don’t mean to say that HW is anywhere near becoming a soul-killing asshole like Jim Souhan or Patrick Reusse. But if you want to do better, there’s better to do.
by timprov on Sep 2, 2011 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I see where you are going with what you wrote, but there is a big difference between doing our jobs and driving people into depression. Our jobs here at HW is to talk about the game of hockey, with a focus on the Wild. If someone has a nagging injury, we are going to bring it up. If it is hurting the team, it has to be talked about. I would love to switch over and be sunshine and roses, and everyone is happy happy time, but it isn’t realistic.
Me, Souhan, Reusse, Russo… whoever it is… writing about their on ice performance, and issues tied to the game is not what leads to depression. Hell, even taking a couple pot shots at Dustin Byfuglien for weight 43 (!) pounds more than he did 4 months ago is not going to cause depression. Depression is medical, it is not a lack of self-esteem.
I could write 1000 articles praising to high heaven anyone with depression and you know what their response would be? Something along the line of “Yeah right. That’s not me. Dude’s blowing smoke up my ass.”
I love your comment, I truly do, and I really wish it could work that way. I just don’t think it would.
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An inciteful post, but I will take issue with your reply and agree with timprov. While I agree that depression is medical, outside influences can be triggers. The fact is that doing your job can drive people into depression. It is the media who can turn an entire fan base against a player. It puts pressure on the player. It threatens their livelihood.
I think journalists too quickly hide behind the “doing our job” rationale, when it’s really about generating readership. I get that and the players sign up for it when they become NHL’ers. The fact is that someone with depressive illness probably should not be in such a demanding profession. It is only a matter of time before the pressure catches up with them.
And we can’t expect teams to make large commitments to players who have weaknesses that will affect long term performance, regardless of what they may be. Should the NHL have a way of helping players during and after their career with depression issues? Heck, yes. But they might also want to work on their prescreening as well.
I am highly sympathetic to the issues of depressive illness, but a young prospect with tendencies is much like someone with a weak knee. It is probably not in their best interests to pursue a career at the NHL level. You can still have a wonderful life, just not in the NHL.
by Stoned on the Breakaway on Sep 3, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If you can show me a study that says people’s jobs cause depression, I will submit you for the Nobel prize. Doctors don’t know what causes depression. They know the symptoms, what happens in the brain, and how to treat it (to a point). I have not read anything that says they know what causes it.
Reporters are not hiding behind “doing their job,” they are, in fact, doing their job, as am I. Readership isn’t even on the list of things I worry about, and I am willing to bet that Nathan doesn’t either. Sure, we like talking to someone other than ourselves, but we would still do it even if all of you fine folks stopped showing up.
The ADA prohibits banning someone from a job because of mental disorder, so long as it does not interfere with the business. So to say people with depressive illness shouldn’t be in any specific job doesn’t work. 99.999% of employers are not allowed to test for it, nor to ask about it. And what if some one is diagnosed with depression after they get the job? Do they have to quit?
Which diagnosis requires they leave? Bipolar? Depression tied to other mental illnesses? Mild depression? Severe? Who gets to make that choice? Do we vote?
Again, the prescreening for a mental illness is illegal. You cannot ask a potential employee about their mental health.
I disagree with your comment completely, but thank you for adding to the conversation. I’m not sure you have a full grasp on the disease, and would ask you read up on it. Not because I am a jerk and think your points irrelevant, but they do seem to be a bit uninformed on the disease and the laws surrounding it.
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Huh
As far as qualifications, I have spent my entire life at arm’s length from bipolar disorder and a variety of other emotional disorders. I have exec mgmt experience with exposure to human resources and have served as a technical resource for implantable devices for the treatment of intractable depression.
A person’s environment has significant impact on the degree to which they may or may not be able to handle their depression. One of the first steps anyone does when depression hits is to evaluate their life and look at what lifestyle modifications can be made to improve mgmt of their disease.
In my book, the definition of a reporter is one who reports the facts. What has become journalism on blogs, is really often nothing much more than gossip. I have no problem with that except when gossips justify their existence by calling themselves reporters. Either way, a player better have a thick skin in today’s media environment, because if they don’t, it can have significant impact. If I ever want to rip a hockey player, I always first ask myself if I would want people saying that stuff about my kid?
Discussing this issue in the context of the general workplace is not realistic. We are talking about a very high performance based activity. Players are scrutinized and evaluated intensely. They are subjected to batteries of psychological evaluations that identify tendencies. Draft age players drop or fall off in the draft because of psych issues all the time.
The ADA is all well and good for the general population. Are you telling me that committing suicide doesn’t interfere with the business of being a hockey player? Being out 3 months doesn’t interfere? Teams pay for players that perform. If depression keeps you from performing, you will likely not be long for the league.
If they are diagnosed after they get the job, by all means, try to help. This is the NHL however. If a player has issue that detract from his performance, they will usually but not always find it difficult to get a contract. And do help when their career ends.
The bottom line is this: It takes a person of unique mental and physical capacities to withstand the rigors of being a professional hockey player in the NHL. Either you’ve got it or you don’t. If you don’t, trying to pretend that you do often turns out poorly.
I am highly empathetic to the plight of those struck with depressive illness. To pretend however, that it isn’t a factor in their occupational opportunities, particularly at the highest levels is naive.
I enjoyed your original post, but less so your comments.
by Stoned on the Breakaway on Sep 4, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as qualifications, I have spent my entire life at arm’s length from bipolar disorder and a variety of other emotional disorders. I have exec mgmt experience with exposure to human resources and have served as a technical resource for implantable devices for the treatment of intractable depression.
So you’ve never experienced it personally and are not a doctor. My opinion does not change.
A person’s environment has significant impact on the degree to which they may or may not be able to handle their depression. One of the first steps anyone does when depression hits is to evaluate their life and look at what lifestyle modifications can be made to improve mgmt of their disease.
And you know this is the first thing, because? In my experience, the first thing that happens when depression hits is to deny it is there. The first step once they admit it is real is generally to seek help, not take stock of their surroundings. How they handle their depression was not part of the conversation. You said they should work in high pressure jobs with depression. There is nothing that suggests that would help.
In my book, the definition of a reporter is one who reports the facts.
Welcome to 1980.
What has become journalism on blogs, is really often nothing much more than gossip. I have no problem with that except when gossips justify their existence by calling themselves reporters.
Do you find a lot of gossip here?
Either way, a player better have a thick skin in today’s media environment, because if they don’t, it can have significant impact.
Thick skin is always good. Also, not caring what the media says, but rather your coach and your teammates. Good advice for anyone.
If I ever want to rip a hockey player, I always first ask myself if I would want people saying that stuff about my kid?
If your kid was an NHL and needed to be called to the mat, I would do it in a second.
The ADA is all well and good for the general population. Are you telling me that committing suicide doesn’t interfere with the business of being a hockey player? Being out 3 months doesn’t interfere? Teams pay for players that perform. If depression keeps you from performing, you will likely not be long for the league.
The ADA applies to everyone in the country. Federal law, so that would be… everyone. You cannot, with any reasonable degree of certainty, predict someone is going to commit suicide, nor be depressed in a month let alone five years later. Your suggestion is asinine at best, and criminal at worst.
If they are diagnosed after they get the job, by all means, try to help. This is the NHL however. If a player has issue that detract from his performance, they will usually but not always find it difficult to get a contract. And do help when their career ends.
So only if they get the job, try to help them? Callous. I don’t care if it the NHL or McDonalds. The people who work in the league are still human and deserve to be treated as such. Laws to protect workers apply to them as well.
The bottom line is this: It takes a person of unique mental and physical capacities to withstand the rigors of being a professional hockey player in the NHL. Either you’ve got it or you don’t. If you don’t, trying to pretend that you do often turns out poorly.
Show me a test that shows they are pretending, and we can talk.
I am highly empathetic to the plight of those struck with depressive illness. To pretend however, that it isn’t a factor in their occupational opportunities, particularly at the highest levels is naive.
Naive? IT’S THE LAW. You cannot deny employment based on mental illness, because you are NOT allowed to ask about it. I doubt your empathy, as you seem to want to treat them like second class citizens, denying them opportunities they are more than capable of performing simply because you do not understand the disease.
I enjoyed your original post, but less so your comments.
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Dear sir. He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak.
As far as qualifications, I have spent my entire life at arm’s length from bipolar disorder and a variety of other emotional disorders. I have exec mgmt experience with exposure to human resources and have served as a technical resource for implantable devices for the treatment of intractable depression.
So you’ve never experienced it personally and are not a doctor. My opinion does not change.
I’ve experienced it enough to understand it far more than you wish to acknowledge. You don’t have to be a doctor. I have spent a career teaching doctors about a variety of treatments.
A person’s environment has significant impact on the degree to which they may or may not be able to handle their depression. One of the first steps anyone does when depression hits is to evaluate their life and look at what lifestyle modifications can be made to improve mgmt of their disease.
And you know this is the first thing, because? In my experience, the first thing that happens when depression hits is to deny it is there. The first step once they admit it is real is generally to seek help, not take stock of their surroundings. How they handle their depression was not part of the conversation. You said they should work in high pressure jobs with depression. There is nothing that suggests that would help.
Usually the first step in the treatment of depression includes some form of cognitive therapy which can include managjng their environment.
Either way, a player better have a thick skin in today’s media environment, because if they don’t, it can have significant impact.
Thick skin is always good. Also, not caring what the media says, but rather your coach and your teammates. Good advice for anyone.
In other words, just cheer up or just slough it off. I thought we agreed some people are incapable of that.
If I ever want to rip a hockey player, I always first ask myself if I would want people saying that stuff about my kid?
If your kid was an NHL and needed to be called to the mat, I would do it in a second.
What if it was your kid?
The ADA is all well and good for the general population. Are you telling me that committing suicide doesn’t interfere with the business of being a hockey player? Being out 3 months doesn’t interfere? Teams pay for players that perform. If depression keeps you from performing, you will likely not be long for the league.
The ADA applies to everyone in the country. Federal law, so that would be… everyone. You cannot, with any reasonable degree of certainty, predict someone is going to commit suicide, nor be depressed in a month let alone five years later. Your suggestion is asinine at best, and criminal at worst.
And tell me again why the Canucks didn’t extend Rypien’s contract?
If they are diagnosed after they get the job, by all means, try to help. This is the NHL however. If a player has issue that detract from his performance, they will usually but not always find it difficult to get a contract. And do help when their career ends.
So only if they get the job, try to help them? Callous. I don’t care if it the NHL or McDonalds. The people who work in the league are still human and deserve to be treated as such. Laws to protect workers apply to them as well.
Why would the NHL or any company for that matter be concerned with helping someone who doesn’t work for them?
The bottom line is this: It takes a person of unique mental and physical capacities to withstand the rigors of being a professional hockey player in the NHL. Either you’ve got it or you don’t. If you don’t, trying to pretend that you do often turns out poorly.
Show me a test that shows they are pretending, and we can talk.
Remember stigma. Players pretend that they don’t have a problem so they can keep their job
I am highly empathetic to the plight of those struck with depressive illness. To pretend however, that it isn’t a factor in their occupational opportunities, particularly at the highest levels is naive.
Naive? IT’S THE LAW. You cannot deny employment based on mental illness, because you are NOT allowed to ask about it. I doubt your empathy, as you seem to want to treat them like second class citizens, denying them opportunities they are more than capable of performing simply because you do not understand the disease.
Perhaps it is you who doesn’t understand that depending on the type and level of emotional illness, occupational opportunities are affected. I do not wish to treat them as second-class citizens. Like cancer, depression is an illness that can prevent one from performing at a high level. On two occasions and currently, I have had to step away from demanding occupations, not because of my illness, but because as a caregiver, I could not meet the expectations of my job. In one case, intractable depression and in the other, incurable cancer. Please do not tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about. You only embarrass yourself.
This is a complex issue. Far too demanding for a hockey blog.
by Stoned on the Breakaway on Sep 5, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm out.
You clearly are an expert on the topic, despite having no qualifications to prove such. Please feel free to continue to live in your world, but you are 100% false on everything you have claimed to be true. You already lost all respect from me, please do not continue to push.
Thanks for stopping by. Feel free to take your weak arguments elsewhere.
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Did the Nucks HAVE to resign Rypien?
To think they didn’t resign him because of his mental health is pure bullshit. The Nucks loved him, but he simply didn’t fit anymore with the arrival of Lapierre. I don’t like the Nucks, but assuming they didn’t resign him because of that is not knowing the whole story. They offered MASSIVE amounts of help and support to the guy. But, the NHL is a business, they took another direction. It’s as simple as that.
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Great thought provoking read
much appreciated.
Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.
It is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. Laura Ingalls Wilder
Absolutely amazing
"I didn't know it was in until everyone was punching me in the face." - Devin Setoguchi
I'm instantly reminded of my own experiences as well
When I got back from Afghanistan, I immediately turned to alcohol and that lead to some pretty bad bouts with depression. It certainly didn’t help that I was a 20-year-old kid that had just survived the rigors of constant combat, had more money than I ever had in my life and was surrounded by all my friends in college. It’s a very surreal concept to go from something that has been your life (as far as you’re concerned) to something that introduces very little stress and causes you to completely halt your previous activity. I think players are also experiencing this as they voluntarily retire or are forced to. As I said in the post before this, it’s VERY real and it is very, very scary. I can’t imagine leaving a lifestyle I’ve had for years and am suddenly forced to stop devoting my life to it without any support or transition period. That’s equivalent to telling someone to stop doing their passion or to stop loving their family overnight. Hockey might not be as an extreme as an example but these players represent a lot more than themselves, they are constantly reminded that they represent their families, their team and above all they represent the community, city or state they play for, both on and off the ice. How can you simply be involuntarily told to “stop playing hockey and representing your community” and expect the transition to be calm? If a support group or bureau needs to be established in order to make sure the mental health of professional athletes is being properly monitored (and treated, if necessary) then that is a step I think the League needs to take and needs to start taking interest in. An accidental or symptom-less death might be excusable depending on the context, but there is no excuse for a suicide or for a mental illness to simply go unchecked because an organization doesn’t have the resources to properly treat it. If the past few months don’t make the League or the independent franchises open their eyes, then I shudder to think what will.
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I’m far from a religious person but that doesn’t leave me with a lack of compassion or empathy. This question from Hindu texts could be applied to depression as easily as mortality.
What is the most wondrous thing in the world Yudhisthira? Whatever it is, we rarely think it will happen to us.
by Spencer-IV on Sep 3, 2011 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Awesome comment. Thank you.
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Great Read,
It is so depressing that this problem is not addressed at a more organized level. Depression and other symptoms can begin at any time in life but mostly occur early on. Teams, Coaches, Trainers, Parents, all need to pay attention and discuss the issues with the players and it does not matter if you are a pro or a high school kid.
Depression will kill. Unfortunately it is a non discriminate killer too. People with this disease will either kill themselves, which unfortunately is the most common out come, and sometimes, God forbid, they will kill someone else. People, and athletes in general seem to think that if you admit to having depression, or “issues” as I have heard it called, that that is the end of all as we know it. It’s not. We need to help these guys and their families somehow, before we lose another.
by greystone on Sep 3, 2011 2:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It is amazing how many code words we use to simply not admit there is mental illness surrounding us. Issues, breakdowns, etc. Scary to think we cannot just face it.
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Stigma?
I keep hearing the word “stigma” in the discussions. Anti-depressive medications are the most widely prescribed drugs in America today. The Canucks were very supportive of Rypien. Boogey was involved in league sponsored rehab. I sense that it is the hockey fan base that is a bit behind the general population in their perceptions of depression and its implications.
by Stoned on the Breakaway on Sep 3, 2011 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
How many people do you know that will willingly talk about mental illness? How many times do you see discussions of the disease on TV? In newspapers? How many times do people openly discuss mental illness of any kind without feeling awkward?
The stigma is still very strong, and is no clearer shown than by the laws in this country regarding the treatment of mental illness. Only recently were health insurance companies required to cover mental illness. Still today, most programs cover up to three visits to a mental health professional per year. Total. Someone who has a severe mental illness may need to see a doctor or psychologist everyday for a year.
The stigma is very real, and until you deal with it directly, you may think it isn’t real, but it is.
Anti-depressives are over perscribed by doctors who have no business prescribing them, and for reasons they don’t even understand. The Canucks were indeed supportive of Rick, but was everyone in his life? Boogey was in a league sponsored rehab, but he didn’t talk about it, even to those closest to him.
As I said in reply to your comment above, your view seems rather narrow. Broaden your search outside your own experiences. Watch closer the world around you. You’ll see it.
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Huh?
It is a broad brush referring to mental illness as a whole while talking about depression. As far as public discussion of depression on TV, just watch Oprah. You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a magazine stand that has articles on depression. I hear discussions about it every day.
Recent coverage for mental illness? I can’t speak for earlier than 1965, but since then, my exposure to it is that insurance companies have been quite liberal in their plans.
The issue with relation to hockey is not so much about the stigma of depression as it is about performance. Players hide issues that may affect performance because they want to keep their jobs. All other things being equal, is a team going to hire the guy with depression who will miss extended periods of time over a guy who won’t? It is not about fairness. it is about performance.
Whether anti-depressants are overprescribed is not the issue. The point is that treatment for depression is as readily available as is treatment for a broken arm. Go to the doctor or go to the ER. Was everyone supportive of Rick? Where in life do any of us ever find that everyone is supportive of us. You find your circle of support and deal with it. I love Boogey, but the man celebrated the end of rehab by going on a self proclaimed bender at Sneaky Pete’s. He didn’t deserve to die for it, but was he really grabbing on to rehab or just doing it to keep his job.
My views may seem narrow to you, but at least they are grounded in the realities of life. It may be dark, but life must go on. And it won’t go very far if we all sit around holding hands and singing Kumbiya.
by Stoned on the Breakaway on Sep 4, 2011 9:05 PM CDT reply actions
I’m not even going to justify this with a response. You have no idea what you are talking about and are attempting to fake your way through the conversation and get a rise out of me. I’m done with you. Go somewhere else.
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