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Pierre-Marc Bouchard out with "Concussion-like Symptoms"

Word out of Wild practice today is that Pierre-Marc Bouchard is out with "concussion-like symptoms" and has been placed on injured reserve. He, obviously, joins Guillaume Latendresse on the IR for the same reason. While the loss of Latendresse has been felt, and is impacted the team on the ice, Bouchard's latest is different. The last time Bouchard had a concussion, we didn't see him for an entire season or much of the first half of the next.

This is terrible news, both for the team and for Bouchard. He is irreplaceable within the organization, as you can call up as many David McIntyre's as you want, but none of them will be Pierre-Marc Bouchard. This is also just another black mark on the league as the players continue to drop with concussions.

In the words of Mr. Spaeth on Twitter, "Uncle."

According to Russo, Bouchard hasn't felt comfortable since the Zach Bogosian hit in Winnipeg. Shocking. Such a clean hit, right everyone? Thanks, Mr. Shanahan. Such a well run department. Any chance of getting back to us on that email today? You know, the one you said no one criticizing you ever sends? Yeah, didn't think so.

Regardless of if the "epidemic" is new, or just easier to diagnose, the league has a real problem on its hands. One they will be forced to address. Soon.

Good luck to ya, Butch. Get well soon.

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Fletch said

He is looking outside the organization for help as long as he doesn’t have to gut the core prospects.

Who are players he’s willing to part with?

by cgp711 on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

Zannon.

Zuperman’s going to fly away. That’s my bet. If not him, I wonder if Zids has a NTC in his contract….

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by Jolonco on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Zidlicky's NTC

Yes, he does. Wouldn’t mind him waiving that clause to be considered as part of a trade. But who would want an aging d-man with a big contract and who’s having a less-than-mediocre season?

Son-of-a-bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick!

by Mark It Zero! on Jan 10, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

San Jose? lol!

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by The Nooge on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

CF fleeced them pretty good with the Sheppard deal. Anything more would just be downright cruel!

Son-of-a-bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick!

by Mark It Zero! on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone on the current roster not named Koivu. Also bet he is willing to trade anyone in Houston right now.

Yes, I am serious. Heatlye, Setoguchi, Zidlicky, Backstrom… they are all on the table. Many of them have NTCs and different things, and some have contracts that prevent a good trade from being made, but I guarantee you the only player on the roster here or in Houston he would not take offers on is Mikko Koivu.

Also… if someone wanted to offer something stupid, I bet he would trade Koivu, too.

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by BReynolds on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Which he should

Honestly, the best trade chip we may have that can get some actual value is Kuemper or Hackett. Young goalies that have been very very good in the minors.

by ThatGuy22 on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

If they don't pull out of the funk fairly soon

I think they will be big sellers, and everything not nailed down over the age of 25(Koivu being nailed down in this example) will be available.

by ThatGuy22 on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone available does not make them sellers, just means they are realistic. There is a big difference between everyone being available and everyone being traded. One trade happens, and that takes the rest off the table. In a fire sale, everyone is available, just because. Here, everyone is available if they bring a piece that will help.

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by BReynolds on Jan 10, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

We could trade Zanon, Harding, Lundin and still make the playoffs.

by cgp711 on Jan 10, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Lundin

The guy’s starting to become a permanent fixture in the pressbox. Wish CF would throw in Staubitz as part of a deal. Not necessarily to sweeten the pot, but a “Buy 1 defenseman, get 1 agitator free” kind of deal.

Son-of-a-bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick!

by Mark It Zero! on Jan 10, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Ooops...

This was supposed to be in reply to cgp711’s comment. My bad!

Son-of-a-bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick!

by Mark It Zero! on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

PS. Whos in for an all out LYNCHING of Shanna-ban?

by jonogo on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

+1

The blood is on Bogosian’s hands, but Mr. S is responsible for changing the culture to prevent Bogo’s carelessness. Mr. S has made enough bad decisions to demonstrate he has no interest in protecting good players from injury, just in protecting his old guard idea of “the way the game out to be played.” Which means if you can’t play from an injury, you need to go.

I loathe Mr. S so much right now. I would love to perform a Bogosian on his back and slam his head against an end board and see how he likes it. What a jerk.

by Justin J on Jan 10, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed..

I could be biased, hell I AM biased. But I also see great errors in Mr. S’s methods. He ignores when certain players are blatentley steam rolled… Where there are 10 min/5min majors given at game time. only to allow those players off free.. But when a players stick comes up and hits a guy in the face, its a 2 game ban.. When NO penalties were given at game time..

It seems so random and stupid to me.

by jonogo on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

add me to the hunt

I don’t usually swear on twitter but this news got more than one in the same post. Shanaban had really dug himself an uneven hole. If you really want to take a stand against shots that affect the head (may not have been a direct hit to his head but it was his had that hit the boards first), them you have to be consistent about them. Not to mention the while illegal crosscheck, but then again we are all just uneducated homers who don’t know what we are talking about…

by goaliegirl33 on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You forgot ...

Even though he hasn’t signed yet i’m thinking Fletch would be unwilling to part with the rights to Granlund a well as Koivu. Other than that, I’d say its open season. Go get a Nash now Fletch, make it happen!

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by The Nooge on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

I don't think they would consider moving:

Granlund
Brodin
Zucker
Larsson
Coyle
Phillips

Just too much young, cheap potential there. Everyone else besides Koivu I think could be had possibly.

by cgp711 on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Fletch made it clear that he doesn’t want a quick fix. If he’s trading, he’s looking towards the future. As much as it hurts to say after the wicked start to the season, this is exactly where most of us expected the Wild to be.

I’m not saying 1 of 12 games won is not something to be concerned with, but realistically, the 2012-2013 or 2013-2014 season is the season the Wild should take flight. The playoffs would be awesome this year, but it should have been very clear that it was only a possibility, not a certainty, so given what it would take to net Rick Nash, maybe Fletch shouldn’t keep his finger too close to the trigger. No use mortgaging the future for a quick fix.

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by JSLandry on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn’t forget. I said “anyone on the current roster.” Those guys are not on the current roster.

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by BReynolds on Jan 10, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

What do we need to get this team on track?

We can trade away our entire future.. but for what? The team HAS talent. It’s just not using it, from what I can see, very consistently.

With Heater and Seto back on the like with Kapt K, you’d think we’d be cheering them on to victories.. not groaning at another lack luster loss..

What does trading away the barn get us? Another shelf full of great players… but will it bring us more goals/wins/consistency?

by jonogo on Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly. No way Fletcher trades just to fix this year’s team. Not a chance in hell. Everything is long term. If they can win now, great, if they can’t… oh well.

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by BReynolds on Jan 10, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

It's painful but it's true.

As much as I want to make the playoffs, I don’t want to win when we get there and go year after year. I don’t think that happens until we have a younger, more talented core.

So how about that Nail Yapukov I keep hearing about? It would be pretty hard to catch Columbus to win that race especially now that TR is leading them . . .

by cgp711 on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we are all pretty much in agreement that the core prospects are untouchable.

But I think any expiring veteran contracts should be moved for whatever, roster players, picks, prospects.

by cgp711 on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

NTCs

Doesn’t help that two of those vets have Non-Trade Clauses in their contract.

Son-of-a-bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick!

by Mark It Zero! on Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

This black cloud hanging over Minneapolis and St. Paul must be what is keeping it so warm in January.

Wow… I mean, we should have figured more bad news coming, but still… wow…

Being from Minnesota, it would be rude to put something clever here.

by redheadzeb on Jan 10, 2012 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

How awful.

He just can’t catch a break. Feel better soon PMB!

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by taralynn09 on Jan 10, 2012 3:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

The NHL talked about stopping head shots and head injuries last season. Cracking down on concussion causing hits. Probably received the most news when Nathan Horton was concussed.

Watching the games this season, the NHL started to follow through with their claims. Any contact with the head during the preseason resulted in fines and suspensions of 5+ games, regardless of a player’s history of discipline (or lack thereof). Preseason suspensions ignored intent and which player was responsible for what happened. If you contacted another player’s head, you were suspended/fined. If you checked someone and they hit their head on the ice, you were suspended/fined. If you were near somebody who hit their own head, you were suspended/fined.

When the regular season started, a change occurred in that stance. I do not know if the NHL thought the message had gotten across or what, but the suspensions and fines drastically decreased in frequency and severity. Sticks to the face, elbows to the head, checks from behind, punches to downed or restrained players continued to occur with the same frequency as before. The only real difference is that the NHL was not instituting additional discipline after the games with that same severity and frequency.

Rather, the supplemental discipline has been erratic. At times, almost biased. The NHL’s officials have been given the ability to review the games after they have been played. Going by the videos Shanahan has filmed, he is able to watch the plays on which penalties have occurred and assess potential supplemental discipline. Why do those officials not use those videos of the games to assess supplemental discipline on plays they would have suspended/fined players for back in the preseason, even though the on-ice officials did not assess an in-game penalty for it? The league is able to take away penalties to players after the game, why is it they do not give penalties as well? I do not mean that upon review after the game they caught Bouchard holding another player’s stick and he should get 2 minutes for it in a future game. That is a minor penalty. I am referring to high sticks and slashes to the face, hits to the numbers, attacking restrained or downed players. If it was an offense worthy of suspension at another point in the season, why is it not even worthy of a minor penalty now? No warnings issued. No reprimands. Not even a scolding for behaving recklessly and not protecting your fellow players.

The reception of a concussion should not be used in determination of supplemental discipline need. I want Bogosian punished for the hit on Bouchard more now that it looks like Bouchard has another concussion, but it is not the right thing to do. Because concussion symptoms can take many different lengths of time to develop. Some develop them immediately. Others do not develop them until weeks later. You cannot cite a concussion as a reason for suspension or lack of a concussion for lack of suspension. It is that very reason. It can take a month’s time before a player can be diagnosed as having suffered a concussion. If you do not give a suspension because the player did not develop concussion symptoms quick enough is taking the stance that concussions are not as serious as previously claimed. 4 weeks later after saying he didn’t deserve to be suspended because the other player was not concussed looks like something was being covered up; like a certain person is being protected. The concussion was later diagnosed. Fans of the hurt player will look at the league and wonder why they said he wasn’t concussed when it has been proven that he was.

That said, stricter enforcement of NHL policy must occur. If a player screws up, the player must be held responsible quickly. But haste must not be taken. Review of plays should extend at least a week after the game. Allow officials to actually review it rather than quickly rule upon it because they don’t want to miss a rerun of Jersey Shore that they have on DVR. Just because on-ice officials did not rule a hit illegal does not mean the hit was not illegal. They have to make several rulings in significantly less time and without review than off-ice officials get for a single ruling.

For a summary, the NHL needs to be consistent in its enforcement of its own policies throughout its operating period. Preseason, regular season, postseason. Equal enforcement non-stop. The NHL needs to adequately review all of the games rather than just 10 second popular snip-its. Do not blame the injured player for a dirty hit (good lord, the NHL absolutely needs to stop this). Define what you mean when you cite something as reason for punishment or lack thereof (His head was down. Ok, what angle does a person’s spine need to be for it not to result in “his head down”? Or is it a certain height above the ice?).

The videos explaining suspensions is a step in the right direction. Add videos explaining penalties and references (like the head is down). Add videos explaining why 1 hit was clean while another was not. None of this “TOE PICK!” in text form only. Have the gall to tell hockey fans why 1 player’s hit causing an injury was legal while another player’s hit causing an injury was not.

by delacroixwalrus on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

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