Prospect Tuesdays: First Round Busts
It was sad to see Colton Gillies get waived, he had such a character with the team. Loved the way he interacted in the prospect camps.
These recent runs of first round busts have killed the present Minnesota Wild team, with only Cal Clutterbuck, Clayton Stoner, Marco Scandella and Justin Falk to show for it. Scandella and Clutterbuck are very good players, and Stoner and Falk are solid, but none are ready (or will ever be) to carry the team.
It seems like the only player able to do so is Mikko Koivu, who was drafted back in 2001.
Yes, 11 years ago.
The four years of bad prospects in a row (technically five with the trade of Nick Leddy, and possibly six with Tyler Cuma), is reflected in the current lack of talent on the Wild pro roster.
Let's see where everyone else is at now
When Thelen was drafted, he was already named as the CCHA's Best Offensive Defenseman, named onto the CCHA First All-Star team, and the NCAA West Second All-American Team, all as a freshman.
In addition, he had good size for an offensive defenseman and all these things mashed together convinced the Minnesota Wild to draft him 12th overall in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft.
However, after the draft, everything went downhill.
In his sophomore year, he was kicked off his college team for rules infraction. Since then, he never seemed to be able to really put it all together. Perhaps it was a maturity thing, perhaps it was a confidence thing, I don't want to speculate, but whatever it was, he didn't pan out and that was the start of the Wild's downfall.
So where is he now? No idea. Hasn't played with the Wings so far this season, so ... yeah ...
Benoit Pouliot was the highest draft pick the Wild has had since Marian Gaborik.
Safe to say, he didn't pan out.
He was skilled, he was big, he skated well and he had offensive abilities. But with Jacques Lemaire as head coach, he needed to learn some defensive play in order to get out Lemaire's doghouse. That just didn't happen.
The biggest thing for Pouliot was work ethic as he he was obviously skilled, but floated too much for any Wild fan's liking.
The greatest thing that turn out from Pouliot was the trade to acquire Guillaume Latendresse, who has become a dangerous offensive threat for the Wild. Too bad for the injuries...
Now, Benoit Pouliot is with the Bruins, putting up decent stats on the third line. He has learned the Bruins system well and is now a regular with the team. He isn't that top flight forward he was drafted to be but he is looking like his making improvements.
Too bad he didn't show that when he was in Minnesota...
The player that has played since he was 3.
Guess all those years of development just didn't help.
Another big bodied, skilled prospect that didn't work out. However, in Sheppard's case, I would fault more on the team's development decisions rather than Sheppard's own inability to play.
Ex-General Manager Doug Riseborough intelligent decision to have James Sheppard rot in the pressbox probably was the main ingredient in ruining Sheppard's development.
Sheppard was drafted as a skilled two-way forward that could play an all-round game. When he started showing progress in Cape Breton, the Wild signed him to an entry-level deal and stuck him playing 4th line minutes. So instead of developing his offensive game playing top line minutes in the juniors, he was stuck learning how to be a 4th line grinder playing grinder duties with the Wild.
The Wild traded Sheppard for a 3rd round pick from the San Jose Sharks, which was surprising as we all felt Sheppard had no value whatsoever. He is still recovering from his injury and he is still young, so we'll see if he can make something out of his trainwreck of a career.
After the playoff elimination at the hands of the Anaheim Ducks, it was obvious that the Wild lack players with toughness AND skill. The team either had one or the other.
Gillies was drafted to be a skilled 3rd liner that would become a key checking forward with the combination of speed, size, physicality and skill.
At the beginning of this season, he was starting to show flashes of that. Not many 6-4 players could skate as fast as he can. However, as the season went on, he slowly became less and less effective at his role. He started to hit less and become softer, which in turn, led him into the team's doghouse.
Again, not all of it was his fault. The decision to have him rot playing 4th line minutes hurt him, much like James Sheppard.
Conclusion
Many of these prospects failed not because he failed to identify skill. The skill was there.
Its the years AFTER the draft the truly make what these kids become.
Thelen lost all confidence once he got kicked off his college team. Pouliot had work ethic problems. Sheppard and Gillies were poorly handled and developed.
And that is probably my main point, that saying one prospect was a bad pick at the time, is close minded. You never know, ever! The development of a prospect is more than just a day of draft, its the 4 years that follow that day that really count.
You may not like a pick, but keep an open mind. Obviously, even the more skilled prospects (Benot Pouliot, A.J Thelen) can fail because of unfortunate events. At the same time, beautiful things can happen with later picks developing into better plays due to good development (Cal Clutterbuck).
The changes throughout the Wild organization was a good thing. New coaches in the system (both pro and minor) as well as new management members ensured that the entire development system was changed for the better. So far, it seems to be paying off with prospects like Matt Hackett, Marco Scandella, Jared Spurgeon and Justin Falk, all showing good signs of progress.
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The work ethic issues were there to be seen in Pouliot when he was drafted. He was an undeniably talented kid, but the red flags were all there to be seen too. I had wished for a different pick then, and he didn’t prove me wrong.
I didn’t like the Gillies draft because the Wild used a 1st round pick on a planned 3rd line grit and grind player. Then why we’d keep that mold of player on a Wild team that had basically 3 lines of that exact sort of player is beyond me. The story about Gillies is that he got frustrated by never getting a shot at top 2 line minutes when the injuries hit this year, and he got a bad attitude about it. Bad pick in the mid first round, bad development choice, and an attitude that really should have been straightened out after two years in the AHL.
Sheppard… the Wild certainly never did that kid any favors. But, the rub of it is that he didn’t do any for himself either. He always seemed to have entitlement issues. He never seemed to just bear down and work… he was terribly inconsistent in his effort not just his effectiveness. I considered him a bit of a stretch of a pick where he was selected, but with that draft nearly everyone was who was drafted after the top tier was gone. I never saw anything that said he’d be more than a bottom 6 guy, and he never showed the effort to suggest he was even that… except for a shift here and a shift there, but almost never back to back shifts.
I don’t think that Sheppard was that much of a stretch. He was ranked as the #9 North American Skater going into the draft. I do agree, though, that much of the top-tier players were gone by the time the Wild picked. I can only list 4 players drafted behind Sheppard that the Wild missed on: Claude Giroux (ouch), Michael Grabner, Patrik Berglund, and Chris Stewart.
I think with Sheppard, the Wild thought they were getting a 2nd line center. He did have a pretty good QMJHL career.
Plus, I can always take comfort knowing that Sheppard still wasn’t the worst pick in that draft. The Blues drafting Erik Johnson at #1 instead of Toews was mindless.
You know you're a Wild fan if Spam Whoopie Gerald-buns comes up in conversation
Regressing all the way back to high school hockey.
Mikael Granlund = Suomi Savior
No, not a big stretch.
He was simply drafted in a bit of a murky area for talent in that draft. I would have loved to have Giroux, but the Wild were drafting for their perpetual need at center. Yes, that Erik Johnson pick was just… well I’m glad that the Wild didn’t make that kind of mistake.
by Krotz the Wall on Jan 17, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
100% agree that after pick 5, it was a STEEP drop in talent. Definitely hard to project where anyone would be after Kessel was taken.
Not Wild related, but looking at the rest of the 2006 Draft and how many teams missed makes me feel slightly better.
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Regressing all the way back to high school hockey.
Mikael Granlund = Suomi Savior
The old regime would not have picked Giroux
They were always a year behind with their drafting. Gillies is the best example of that. And after Bouchard took a while to develop, they weren’t going to draft a smaller player again.
A little about Thelen
I actually worked with someone who played hockey with Thelen, and the problem with A.J. Thelen was that he believed way too much in his own hype. He thought he was untouchable, which was part of the reason why he was dismissed in college. He never thought that he could be punished, that he was above the world somehow.
Being rejected really screwed with his head. It was the first time in his career that he had been dismissed. His ego took a huge shot, and he never recovered properly.
You know you're a Wild fan if Spam Whoopie Gerald-buns comes up in conversation
Regressing all the way back to high school hockey.
Mikael Granlund = Suomi Savior
So...
…Marian Gaborik didn’t carry the Wild at all?
p.s. Thanks for the (unintentional) shout out!
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We'll see
This crop of youngsters haven’t had a chance to bust yet
"Believe in the system. For it shall bring light when there is dark, food when there is hunger, and shots when there are passes. This is the divine process." Yeo 4:18
It would be foolish to think they will all pan out to our high expectations.
Besides Granlund, if the others can come in and put together solid NHL careers and work hard, I will be happy. Unfortunately, Granlund has to be a stud, the hype has been built on him too much.
My take on why these guys were taken
None of the guys were much of a stretch according to central scouting, etc. But that’s the problem. The HWSRN regime relied too much on what others were saying, and not enough on their own ability to find talent. Never a good way to run a business. When everyone has the same information, you have to find better information to stay ahead.
They may not have been stretches, but they were bad picks.
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