Ducks for Sale - Who (if anyone) should the Wild target?
Despite firing Randy Carlyle and hiring Bruce Boudreau, the Ducks are still a total mess. There don't seem to be any immediate solutions to help the Ducks turn their season around. If it weren't for the extremely underwhelming Columbus Blue Jackets, the Ducks would be the worst team in the NHL. Only 3 points separate the Ducks from the bottom of the standings. The Ducks are clearly not a playoff team this year, even if Corey Perry goes into beast mode again and scores at a goal per game clip. Due to parity, there are very few sellers, but the Ducks are clearly one of them.
Word has come down that Anaheim GM Bob Murray is putting his entire roster on sale, with the exception of Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu. That's right, Wild fans. Ryan Geztlaf, Bobby Ryan, and Corey Perry are all in play; however, the price tag will be steep.
he's not rebuilding and seeking draft picks. if he trades a core player, it would be for another core-type player.
The Wild desperately need some offensive help, and the Ducks have point machines on their roster. To help matter, Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf, and Corey Perry do not have any type of No-Trade or No-Movement Clauses. They're available to the right bidder. Would it be worth it to send some pieces away to get the Wild back on the right track? Make the jump, and we'll take a look at some trade scenarios.
Trading for Ryan Getzlaf:This is the trade I find most unlikely to happen. Getzlaf, a top-line center, would mean the Ducks would require back a top-line center. The Wild have two guys that would fill the two requirements of being a core player and a top line center: Mikko Koivu and Mikael Granlund. Zack Phillips could earn consideration, but his lack of elite speed and the fact that he may not make the NHL next year has me thinking Anaheim would be looking for a little bit more of a "can't miss" type of player.
I can't see Fletcher trading away the Kaptain or the Savior. Getzlaf is definitely a win-now guy, but Koivu and Granlund represent the future of the club. In addition, it would be tough to part with Koivu or Granlund for a center that's only on the books for this and next season. Getzlaf could walk away to a lucrative UFA deal. It just seems like it would be way too much to give up to get Getzlaf. No thank you. Next please.
Trading for Corey Perry:
Another deal I doubt the Wild can swing. No one player on the Wild's roster comes close to matching a 50-goal scoring MVP in his prime. Dany Heatley at one point would have been worth it, but I seriously doubt the Ducks are looking to get older. Heatley also has declined in scoring every season after leaving Ottawa, so there's just no way that Heatley for Perry would work.
That means the Wild are looking at dealing, at minimum, a pair of top-6 forwards for Perry. I think the only way this could work would be if the Wild packaged both Devin Setoguchi and Dany Heatley for Perry. That would leave an even bigger gap in the top-6, so while Perry is a stud goal scorer in his prime, I don't think Fletcher could reasonably do this deal. That's a big loss as far as bodies go. No deal here.
Trading for Bobby Ryan:
This is where things get interesting. Bobby Ryan is a great player, but he's a step below Getzlaf or Perry. Ryan could be had a slightly lower price than either Getzlaf or Perry. Certainly, the Ducks would need a top-6 winger back.
Devin Setoguchi could possibly be in play. He hasn't really met any type of expectations. Currently on pace for 30 points (lowest since his rookie season when he played 44 games), Setoguchi hasn't really found a role on either of the top two lines. Looking back at the Burns trade, Setoguchi was really moved to give the Wild back a player and to clear cap space for Burns. No offense to the guy, but he really seems like the afterthought that finished the trade. Moving Setoguchi would be tough on the guy, but this is a business, and Fletcher needs to make business decisions.
Looking pragmatically, Setoguchi for Ryan isn't nearly enough. The Ducks would definitely need more back. Charlie Coyle could be part of a package deal. There are some character questions with the guy (leaving school), and he hasn't shown the ability to dominate games (college and the WJC), but he's still young and raw. He does fit the mold of the Burke-style players. He's a big, power forward that will win battles everywhere on the ice. Playing with a center like Getzlaf would only help his scoring. Setoguchi gives the Ducks a 2nd-line wing for when Selanne retires.
It's a big price tag, no doubt, but there's no guarantee that Coyle is an NHL star, and Setoguchi isn't gelling. If it were me, I would offer Setoguchi, Coyle, and a future pick in exchange for Bobby Ryan. It's not every day you get to make an offer for a 3-time 30-goal scorer who's under 25. Ryan scored 31 in 64 games and was totally jobbed out of the Calder in his true rookie season.
Trading for Jason Blake:
Ah, dark horses. We all have them. Here's mine:
Jason Blake is an aging veteran, but he's shown time and time again that he has that scoring touch. He's got speed to burn and knows how to find the net. For all those folks who are convinced that an all-Minnesota team is the way to go (no clue why you box out the rest of the world), Blake is from Moorhead. He's on the last year of his deal, so the Wild aren't necessarily tied to a long-term contract. He could make a perfect 2nd-line wing to play with Cullen and Pierre-Marc Bouchard. The only concern would be a serious lack of size, but the speed on that line would make up for that.
Since Blake is past his prime and has just this season left, he could be had cheap. A deal sending Wellman to Anaheim for Blake can't be that far off. Wellman, fair or not, just hasn't gotten his fair shake at the lineup. He continues to toil on the 4th line. Fletcher brought him in, and he really was the first signal of a change in mindset, but since then he's been a non-factor with the NHL club. Wellman still has upside, and the Ducks probably wouldn't pass on a young speedster for an aging veteran. This deal seems possible to me.
Beyond those four, I'm not sure who the Wild would want. The Wild have too many defensmen, so I doubt they would be looking to add another blueliner. Cogliano doesn't fit in a top-6 role, and the Wild are pretty set with their bottom-6 right now. The Ducks may be interested in getting Harding, as Hiller hasn't looked quite right. I'm not sure the Wild could get much back besides Dan Ellis, though, so it may not be a deal Fletcher is looking to make.
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Anyone think this would work?
Wellman, Latendresse, Zanon/Lundin and Harding
for
Ryan and a 1st or 2nd round pick
Lines would probably look like this for the rest of the season:
Heatley-Koivu-Ryan
Setoguchi-Cullen-Bouchard
Clutterbuck-Brodziak-Johnson
Gillies-Powe-Staubitz (Dear God, please make Fletcher trade him!)
Scandella-Zidlicky
Schultz-Stoner
Falk-Spurgeon/Zanon/Lundin/Prosser
Backstrom
Hackett
There’s also the opportunity for Kassian and Palmer to get in the lineup, too. I may just be a homer, but I kinda like this scenario.
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If the Ducks did that deal, their fans would revolt. Nowhere near close enough for a guy like Bobby Ryan. Wellman isn’t a solidified roster guy, Latendresse is concussed, and Zanon is a win-now patch for a team that isn’t in the position to win this year.
Of course you would like this scenario. The Wild would be fleecing the Ducks. Ryan and a high pick for what is essentially nothing would make any Wild fan happy. Honestly, the Wild wouldn’t lose anything for Bobby Ryan and a pick. No way this deal is close enough to what the Ducks would want.
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Hey, a guy can dream. :D
So what would be our best bet at any of these guys without trading our key prospects?
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Let’s start by assuming that Granlund and Koivu are not touchable. I don’t see Fletcher dealing either of those two.
In order to land any of the big three, a deal is going to have to include one of the three:
Phillips, Larson, Coyle
In addition, it may actually cost Brodin.
The Ducks would also need some form of a pick. They wouldn’t want a package of picks, but if the Wild offered Coyle, Brodin, and a 2nd for Ryan, it’s probably a deal that the Ducks have to look at.
The thing to remember when talking about prospects is that there is no guarantee that they amount to anything. Real hockey isn’t like NHL video games, where potential automatically yields results. There are so many intangibles that have to be considered. The Wild would be trading for a guaranteed star, so the Ducks would need a couple unknown pieces with good ceilings back to ensure they got the correct value back.
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Of the current top prospects, the only ones I feel borderline comfortable trading would maybe be Coyle and Larsson. I could part with Brodin, too, but I like the idea of a Scandella-Brodin top pairing.
To be honest, I wouldn’t mind Fletcher just making some minor moves for 2nd/3rd round picks instead of trading for current players. We can all agree that any success this season is just icing on the cake considering next season/season after that are basically the big years for the club.
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I agree with you that any success this season is a bonus, but a desperate fan base that wants playoff hockey may not be as understanding.
Plus, and I still stand behind this sentiment, I don’t believe that Fletcher can allow the Wild to miss the postseason after being #1 in the NHL to start December. I know that a lot of Wild fans that I talk to who don’t understand how much the team overachieved are already off the bandwagon again. In pro sports, unfortunately, it’s all about providing entertainment to the paying fans. An upset fan base doesn’t provide much money.
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I think the price will be steep for any of the big three
And I think everyone knows Getzlaf and Perry are going nowhere. It seems the club wants to get rid of Ryan, he was already floated as a possible trade chip earlier this year. It may stem from his contract negotians from a year or so ago, might have left Murray a little angry.
Our package would have to include:
Setogutchi, top prospect (Larsson, Coyle, Phillips and I wouldn’t trade Phillips or Larsson myself), a young defenseman who can play now (Falk, Prosser) and maybe Josh Harding or goalie prospect (Hiller is no sure thing). Even though he says he does not want picks, I think he would want a second or third rounder too.
Pretty steep but Ryan is pretty underrated and will always be known as the guy drafted after Crosby. His hands are unbelievable, he’s young, he’s a winger (we are stocked at center).
I would bet there is no doubt Fletch has inquired about Ryan, he pretty much convinced Burke to draft him. It is just a question of what we would need to give up and if he has the stones to make another blockbuster trade.
Personally, I am not that attached to Setogutchi. He still seems burned by the Sharks trading him and thinks he needs to be a 30 goal scorer here and tries to do too much. By all accounts, the critics are right about him, he probably won’t ever be more than a 50 point player max and borderline second-third liner. Now watch he’ll score a hat-trick tonight after I’ve roasted him. And even if he does, I think he is a decent trade chip.
RPG would all be great fits obviously!
Ryan is the youngest and signed for 2 extra years which is nice!
PMB, Phillips and a 1st for Getzlaf
I believe Ryan will be traded.
I would Move Coyle, Stoner/falk/prosser, and our 1st next year for Ryan and a second. Maybe even throw in Welman to sweeten the pot.
I have to say,
If we could pry Perry away with out gutting our future, that would be amazing, he would be a perfect compliment to Koivu and Heatley. Perry and Ryan are similar in how they play, and perry has a little more of an edge to keep open space for Heater and Koivu.
Hmm, Seto, Coyle, Welman and Falk for Perry and a second rd pick?
Then there go 2/3 of the pieces we got for Burnsie...
I know that shouldn’t really matter, but they should be given a little more of a chance. I could see trading Wellman, he just hasn’t really had a good chance with the team. We could part with Falk, but I just drool when I think of that 6’5" frame defending the blueline. I would almost trade Zanon or Lundin before Falk.
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I know, But to get talent you need to give talent.
And Seto has proven, albeit limited, talent. Coyle has a high ceiling, Falk has great size and I would be sad to see all of them go, but I would be drooling seeing Perry or Ryan on a line with Koivu. Problem with the Wild, We dont have big physical players in our top 6. esp true with Tenderness out.
If the any of the pieces for Burnsie eventually yielded a Bobby Ryan
I would consider it a “win.” All if’s, and’s and but’s included.
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My brother is a Ducks fan..
And he says that their fans feel Getzlaf has been under-performing all season and wouldn’t be worth trading for. He also says that Bobby Ryan has been their best player this season (apart from Selanne) and that Blake is held in high regard by most fans, so he would be worth getting too.
Personally, from the times of watched them this season, I’ve been impressed by Hagman and Cogliano. Their goalies are awful so if we want to get anyone, then Josh Harding would be a good tempter.
Regressing to the top of the league.
Hagman and Cogliano are 3rd line grinder, which the Wild don’t need.
As for Getzlaf, you trade for star players when they do underperform and the GM wants to deal them to create a shakeup. I think we all know Getzlaf is a superstar player on hard times. He’s not historically this bad. For his career, Getzlaf is damn near a point-per-game player. Just because he’s having a tough season doesn’t mean he’s done in the league. The guy is only 26 years old. His best years are still in front of him.
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I think after last night's game, it's clear Fletcher needs to make a move.
And it needs to be big. Not Koivu or Granlund big, but Setoguchi, Heatley, PMB, Cullen, Backstrom/Harding big. Something has to be done to shake this team up. If Fletcher is going to make a big move it needs to be now, not at the trade deadline because by then it could very well be too late. I say, Setoguchi, Larsson, Harding and a 1st/2nd for Ryan and maybe a pick.
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Swing for the Fences?
What about both Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf for:
Coyle
Granlund
Scandella
Zanon
Harding
2012 1st Round pick and 2nd Round Pick.
Then you would have:
(1) Koivu, Heatly Perry
(2) Getzlaff PMB Seto
(3) Brodziak Clutter Wellman (someday Latendresse)
(4) Cullen Johnson Powe (Staubitz if we need the enforcer)
Goalies: Backstrom & Hackett
Defense:
Zid & Faulk
Spurgeon & Stoner
Schultz & Lundin
No thank you
The Ducks aren’t interested in a rebuild, which is basically what your trade off is.
Plus, I can’t see how getting worse on the blueline and giving up the top player not in the NHL makes the fans feel better.
Just in case it was a mistype (they happen), the Wild have Justin Falk, not Justin Faulk (Carolina Hurricanes).
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Your High as a Kite
If you think the Wild is trading Granlund. Not happening, the hype machine is on full bore and fans would revolt.






















