Rick Nash on the market - trade offers here!
With Friend of the Nation, James Mirtle, indicating that Rick Nash is officially on the market (and after I pinched myself thinking this was the greatest dream of my entire existence), I sent it out on Twitter asking what fans would NOT give up to bring Nash in.
So now it comes to you. Who would you absolutely not trade in order to bring Rick Nash to St. Paul?
I'm an unabashed Nash fanboy. I'd move anybody other than Granlund or Koivu (and would strongly consider moving Koivu if it was straight up). So, here's my ridiculous HF Boards trade offer:
CBJ gets:
Minnesota gets:
- Rick Nash
- CBJ 2nd pick in 2012 draft
So, do you even want Nash? What would you give for him?
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Anything and everything not nailed down
Can anyone find some nails for Koivu and Granlund’s shoes? Through in a weekend with the Fox Sports North Girls as well…
Go for it!!
F-ing love this guy! Scandella, Coyle, Bouchard, 2013 2nd, 2012 1st. For Nash and a 2012 2nd.
Columbus probably wants a roster player along w/ picks and prospects. Picked Bouchard because he’s top 6 but might not go over well because of his noggin.
by Baseruben09 on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Why?
If you’re going after Nash, you’re all in for the NOW.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
If Columbus takes a roster player, it won’t be a tiny forward with a long concussion history.
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by JDesthubert on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Same as you
The only reason I would say I wouldn’t move Koivu and Granlund, is if we move one of them He is in the same situation as in Columbus and we are in the same situation. No one to feed him, relying on one player.
I would move anything. Coyle, 1st, Harding, Bulmer for Nash is my HF Board trade proposal.
If we could convince Nash to come to MN
I would think an offer like:
MN 2012 1st round pick
Darcy Kuemper
Charlie Coyle
Devin Setoguchi
Pick a D man that isn’t Brodin or Scandella
For Nash and their 2nd rounder
That’s another draft pick, a top prospect, a highly rated prospect goalie, and a young player with some upside for right now.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions
Parise factor too
It’s still a long shot for him coming here but if he wants to win now a forward core of Heater, Koivu, Granlund, and Nash, could be something he couldn’t refuse. D is still week but maybe pick up Carle or Wideman in FA.
I love dreaming…
by Baseruben09 on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Do it ... do it now!
Any combination of the above names sounds like a solid exchange. But would CBJ be interested in what the Wild could possibly offer?
Son-of-a-bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick!
Can's see them...
wanting what we have to offer unless we throw in our best prospects. IMO anyone not named Koivu, Granlund, or Heatly is fair game.
On a team that is short on upside D men,
and who will be chopping off Zanon, Lundin, and most likely Zidlicky… I don’t really think sending out Scandella, if it could be avoided, is a good idea. Adding Nash and his over $7.5 million a year, and likely a reduced cap next year, will limit any possible signature signings. The Wild will need to be able to roll Scandella – Schultz, Stoner – Spurgeon, Prosser – Falk… with Brodin working his way up the system. With Nash on board, the idea will be to try to win in the near term, not get competitive over the next 2 to 3 years.
Really though, if we’re serious for Nash: I’d say the only names not on the board are Koivu, Heatley (because he ain’t going to Columbus), Granlund. Everybody and anybody else would probably be a discussion point.
I’d imagine that Columbus is looking for a Goalie, a top offensive prospect, a solid D or D prospect, a pick, and a player for right now.
2012 1st
Hackett/Kuemper
Coyle
Clutterbuck
ask who they like for D
Okay… i’ll stop with just the two trade suggestions.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 AM CST reply actions
Agreed!
Yeah we need maybe two big mean Dmen. I really like Nash but I don’t think we’re in position to give all our prospects to Columbus and they’re not going to want anybody else. He’s not going to save our fanchise.
by wildfansec108row11 on Feb 14, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Columbus wants a young 1st liner
Any chance they would take one of Phillips, Coyle or Setoguchi to fill that need? I’m guessing not, but I can’t imagine who would be moved as a young first-liner. If a team has a young player on their top line, why would they move them?
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Edmonton...
NY Islanders, Colorado, Carolina… all have a few highly rated younger guys already in the league. The problem all those teams have though isn’t in finding upside scorers…it’s in finding a top level defender.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
It all comes down to how close Chuck Fletcher thinks they are. Nash is a huge talent, and the pure goal scorer the Wild could use, but I am not sure the Wild are willing to throw Herschell Walker stupidity to get him.
I would offer… Setoguchi, Harding, a top pick not named Granlund, and a first round pick in 2013. if that isn’t enough, not sure what would be.
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by BReynolds on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Indeed...
I love Nash, and I think that he’d be great fit for the Wild, but I don’t want them to gut the near-term future of the franchise to get him here.
Harding probably won’t do it… he’s basically the same as Mason. I would offer one of the kids in the AHL. Other than that, that’s the offer I’d go in with.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think that should be enough
I would like to throw in a Dman (Zanon/Zids/Lundin/Cuma) to add a second or third round pick coming our way, but I don’t feel the need to get greedy. We can try to get another pick from somewhere else. And I would agree with Krotz that they may want one of the young goalies, but I would leave it up to them. They can have any of Harding/Kuemper/Hackett.
I wouldn't give up Bulmer too lightly.
Maybe…Coyle, Zucker, Harding, Zidlicky and a pick?
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I believe the BJs are not very interested in prospects and picks and would want real talent in return.
So as much as we all would like to say Setoguchi is that piece of the trade, the reality it would start with Koivu, as well as a few ready prospects and a younger goalie. I wouldn’t make that trade. However, if the BJs wanted just a bunch of our prospects/picks for Nash, I would probably do it since none of our prospects will ever be as good as Nash.
I disagree
If the BJs are trading Nash. That’s a pretty clear signal they are going to go full rebuild after this years shot of trading for Carter, signing Wiz, etc, failed so miserably. Seems to me if they are rebuilding they would want young players, and prospects. Starting at Koivu would just leave them where they are today.
Eaxactly right!
Seto would fill a need now with a short term commitment. And, he does have some value. He is certainly capable of scoring 20 – 25 goals a year, he just will probably never see 30 again. With the right linemates to cover his weaknesses, he is probably worth $2.5 – 3 million per year.
p.s.
I just don’t see him having much of a place on a successful Wild in the future. If the Wild are going to be successful in the near future, they will have to come up with at least one Rick Nash-type forward thru trade/FA and their prospect pool will have to produce. At that point, Seto is pretty much pushed aside, or not resigned, anyway.
They're going for prospects for sure
They damn well know they have no present, so they’ll go for the future. Losing guys like Filatov, Voracek, a chance at Couturier, etc hurt them badly.
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Yeah...
hindsight sucks.
Columbus should be an example of what can happen when you shoot the moon, so to speak. They only real option now is to try to reboot. I’m sure that they’ll be able to trade Nash for a nice return, if they decide to go that route. The interesting thing will be to see if they can move Carter and for what.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
The reports didn't say ''a Koivu-type player'' though
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Not that what he prints is gospel, but I think Spector is pretty plugged in:
“SPECTOR’S NOTE: The fact Howson won’t comment on the rumors is merely adding fuel to the fire. It’s possible he’s been gauging Nash’s value in the trade market, but he’s not going to just give him away for picks and prospects. The Blue Jackets, in my opinion, are beyond that now. They’re going to want at least a couple of good, established young players who can improve the team now. While the Rangers would probably love to have Nash in their lineup (hell, who wouldn’t?), it would be madness on their part to blow up their successful team chemistry by parting with one or two quality players to get him. That’s not tinkering, that’s a friggin’ overhaul. Sure, it’s possible Nash could be dealt, but moving a player of his caliber usually occurs in the off-season, not the trade deadline. It would be very surprising if they traded their franchise player now, and no offense to the Rangers, but a return of Dubinsky, a promising college player and a first round pick (as suggested by the Ottawa Sun) in my opinion isn’t enough to get him.”
If that's what they are looking for
Then send them Seto, Clutter/Johnson, a high pick, and a prospect. Nash is good, but he’s not worth 2 established players and multiple picks and prospects.
Not a fan of giving coyle and zucker
To columbus. Not a fan of mortgaging our future for rick nash. Does Rick “I’m not really having a good year” Nash throw the wild over the top? Or even the playoffs? We have way too many problems top to bottom to give that much for Nash. Starting with the fact that 3/4 of our roster would have problems making the third line on a lot of teams.
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
and by not having a good year i mean +-
I don’t put much stock into +- unless its really good or really bad. Having close to 20 goals but being a -22 is not a a good thing. Even on a bad team.
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The thing is
If ONE of those top 5 forward prospects turn into a players as good as Nash, we will have struck gold. In all likely hood, none of them well.
If it took Coyle and Zucker as a part of a package, I would do it in a heart beat. We would still have Granlund, Phillps, Larrson, Bulmer. And our forwards for the next three years would be a combo of Nash, Heatley, Koivu and Granlund.
Whats the saying? A Bird in the hand, is worth two in the bush? Seems fitting for this scenerio.
If we could somehow turn
Zucker, Keumper, Setoguchi, and a pick into Nash… I’d be really happy. Of course, I think Zucker has a very long road, and a lot of questions to answer, before he gets a crack at the NHL.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Im being swayed
Ever so slightly. I guess my own selfish reasons for not wanting to get rid of all those guys is to watch their development. It’s been so long since our cupboards were stocked like this. I wanted to keep all of them and turn the mn Wild into an episode of Hoarders.
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And I get that
After the last three years, its hard not to become attached to the glimmer of hope that is our prospects. But at the same time, enfusing so many rookies at once could easily lead to an Oilers situation where there just isn’t enough veterans to overcome the rookie mistakes. With Koivu, Nash and Heatley leading the team, while infusing rookies like Granlund, Larrson and Bulmer in they could become a contender much quicker than if they just go the rookie route.
Very true..
And although they got a cup out of it(which would be soooo worth it), Chicago had a perfect storm of all those prospects breaking out, only to lose a bunch of them because of contract situations. Could get messy for the wild as well.
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am excited too, but you also have to remember
Not all of them will turn out to be superstars. And also, we won’t have room for ALL of them . So if you can combine them into a Rick Nash, you have to try. But I’m not saying that we give up Zucker, Phillips, Coyle, Larsson, AND Bulmer. But If you can turn 2 of them, or 1 plus Seto, with a 1st and one of our goalies. Then I say do it. You still have the other prospects and Finnish Jesus to supplement Koivu, Heater, Nash and co. If we can unload some contracts by free agency, it also makes us more attractive to a Parise as well.
You said the magic word
I’m sold. Koivu, Nash, Heatley, Granlund, P-word.. Sell everyone!!! Sign me up!
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would be more hesitant
of moving Coyle for some other top 6 forwards cuz he’s about the only top prospect the Wild have with Nash type size. However, if Rick Nash is the return…
How many hockey blogs...
Are having this EXACT conversation right now?
I'd say 29
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including this one
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I checked 6 sbnation blogs
Pittsburgh, Flyers, Nashville, Nucks, Detriot, and Philadelphia. Of those six, 3 mentioned Nash at all. Detroit mentioned but more speculative on who’s going to get him. Nashville mentioned wanting him in a spotty conversation way. The flyers on the other hand, had a full article like us. They are very. interested apparently. Yes I’m neurotic.
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
oh and the devils too but no mention
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
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You Think on Some Level...
Wild management wants to make this happen just so they can liven up the X for the rest of the year? Yikes…
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Agree
not much going the right direction for the team right now and fan enthusiasm is reflecting that
i thought we'd establisbed that this team was more than one player away
Why would we trade our best prospects and put ourselves back in the position we’re just about to get out of (no prospects with no hope in the near term)
Trading prospects for Nash would be ludacrisT. With a T for emphasis.
Trading Prospects
There is a difference in say, not trading prospects for a rental(Ruutu, Parise, etc) for a playoff run and trading prospects for a 27 year old, top 10 wing in the league, that is signed for the next 6 years.
There is a slim chance, one of our prospects would turn into a player anywhere near Nash. Would you rather have 6 good forward prospects or 4 good forward prospects and Rick Nash. I will take the later every time.
what if Nash
1) blows a knee
2) fades
3) gets into concussion trouble
and plays 40 games over the next two yrs. Then Wild fans are FuckT (t for emphasis).
Fletch has just about unwound Riseborough’s clusterfuckery. I cant see him betting his career on one player (b/c he’d be fired if a Nash trade didnt result in a couple deep playoff runs) vs. Spreading the risk across 6-8 prospects turning into top six forwards.
by Pewterschmidt on Feb 14, 2012 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What if
Coyle/Zucker destroy’s his knee ala Cuma.
Koivu get’s in concussion trouble or fades.
There are plenty of what if’s in the league, but Rick Nash has failed to play 70 games once, and has been very consistent on some awful teams. Random bad things happen, you can’t not make moves because your afraid of them.
Cant believe they are actually shopping him
I absolutlely love the guy, I cant imagine what they wild would have to throw at columbus to get him, but i think anything but koivu and granlund is fair game. Just thinking ( and clearly dreaming) of Koivu, granlund, Healtey, Nash, and Parise in the top six next year is making me feel like pavlov’s dog
Though
we would definitely need to move some contracts in order to get Parise. But i think that it is still in the realm of possibilities. Especially if we unload Zids contract.
Zid's $4 million per year is not a make or break for anything.
The biggest question coming into the off season will be what does the new CBA entail. What will be the new cap? What are the rules for long contracts?
Next year is the last year for a lot of bigger contracts for the Wild: Bouchard $4.5, Zidlicky $4, Cullen $3.5, Backstrom $6 million. The big question that I see is that the Wild will probably have quite a few positional holes next year while still carrying these contracts and having the young guys not quite ready to step in yet. It will be interesting to see how they choose to spend their money.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 14, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
The Backstrom contract is killer, especially now when there are three other goalies in the organization that arent too big off a drop off in talent. The wild are going to have to wait that one out cause no team would take on that dollar amount for him now. Not bashing Backs, he earned it, without him the Wild would have sooo much more shitty the last couple years. But right now that 6 mil hurts
I think we would have to move at least one of those contracts in order to make a play on Parise THIS summer. Adding Nash’s 7.8 per year will take a lot of that cap space. Its possible to get both. I just think getting that 4 mil off the payroll will allow us to do a few things. I was tinkering with Cap Geek and I was able to fit Koivu, Nash, Heater, and Parise (at 7.5). While keeping Cullen, Backstrom, Bouchard and giving Brozdz a raise to 2.5, Nick Johnson a raise to 1.5. It was tricky and I needed to unload Zidlicky’s contract to do it. I love playing armchair GM.
The jackets
have a bunch of long-term, high-priced [presumably over-priced, based on their performance] contracts. Much worse than the Wild. They need to create some space in order to rebuild, hence the consideration of moving Nash.
I doubt getting Rick Nash will save this season.
He would play on the top line and then we have zero depth after that. As the Ducks learned this season, you can’t rely on one line to do all of your scoring, this isn’t high school/college. And who would come off the top line for Nash? Setoguchi has been fine on the top line, but take him off and he’ll disappear again. And if you want to pay Rick Nash, why not just wait and try and pay Zach Parise instead this summer since he is the better player anyway?
I think he would get the Wild the 8th seed. only two points out right now and every other team fighting for it has there own set of issues
Wild are 5 points out
Phoenix, the 8th seed, has 63 points. The Wild, the 12th seed, are at 58 points. By my “California math”, that’s a difference of 5 points.
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One point
If you trade for Nash you have him for 6 yrs. There is no guarantee that Parise signs here this summer. So its a little bit of a gamble. And you are right, he doesn’t necessarily “save” this season, but he would definitely be nice to have for 6 more years with the influx of prospects.
I think there is a chance
Nash could get them a 7 or 8 seed, so they can get bounced by Detroit or Vancouver. But I am much more interested in the fact that we would have him long term. Koivu, Nash and Granlunds(under team control for 6 years) is a fine core to build around by my standards.
I was going to mention the ducks in an earlier comment
Kudos to you for bringing them up
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by PUTTINxONxTHExFOIL on Feb 14, 2012 3:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
To brign it all full-circle
Unfortunately, the Wild could offer perfect package from the Blue Jacket management standpoint and still not end up with Nash, as he has a no-move clause and would have to want to be here.
True
But would he be willing to come here to pair with Heatley and Koivu for the next few years and some serious young talent coming up? Remember, he’s locked in for 6 years. This isn’t a rental.
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I hope he would, but I have my doubts. Imagine Nash, Koivu, and Heatley on the roster when making the pitch to Parise? Woo baby.
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You can only hold on to prospects for so long
Let’s get Nash now, Parise next year with Granlund.
PEK > DWIGHT
Yes!
Seto, Zidlicky, Zucker, Kuemper and 2012 1st.
If he goes to the Kings....
as some rumors have it, for this Package, I would be shocked…..
Nash for Bernier, Penner, Hunter…and a pick.
That would seriously kill the Jackets future. sure, they get Bernier, but Penner(washed up) and Hunter (the Islanders didnt even resign him) and a pic, my guess is this years 1st rounder. all I can say is Wow….
If I were CF, I would offer Seto, Clutter, Harding, Coyle and 2013 1st rounder.
Also, Anyone see that Ruutu has an upper body injury?
That rumor was started by Eklund
Hence, pure bullshit. Everyone’s been laughing at this proposal all day. No way would the BJs go for that particular Kings package (Wow, that sounded very very dirty.)
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