Roenick: A Patrick Kane trade 'doable'
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 5:30 PM CST
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Jeremy Roenick made some comments by way of ESPN today suggesting the Blackhawks should consider moving Patrick Kane for #1 goalie. Blackhawk rubes are noting that they also need upgrades to their defense.
I cannot help but notice Kane's salary is equivalent to Backstrom. Or I wonder if Zidlicky and a goalie not named Backstrom would work for Chicago. Either way the money balances. Or there is the possibility of giving them Backstrom and Zidlicky for Kane and a contract.
If this is stupid idea I apologize. With PMB and Lats out I think we need to think about acquiring scoring some how, and not just for this year. Kane is under contract through 2014/15 so it would fill a long term need. Combine that with Granlund and the possibility of Parise and we may have something.
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Zids ain’t really an improvement to their defense, so I doubt they’d go for it.
I would be open to a trade involving anyone but Koivu to get Kane.
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by TheDragonReborn on Feb 15, 2012 5:38 PM CST reply actions
Russo mentioned Chicago today as a possible destination for Zid
“One other team I keep hearing, as I mentioned on last night’s blog with New Jersey, is Chicago.” -Russo
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
There is Zero point in adding Zids to that team
if they dump Kane in the process.
I highly doubt that Chicago would trade Kane for anything short of a top goalie and a top prospect or high-level current player (Rinne + Suter for Kane + Crawford). That trade never happens because Nashville would never do that. Or (Raask + Lucic… haa no way there either.
You just don’t trade top 15 talented wingers who are 23 years old unless they become an absolute team cancer or refuse to play any further games for your team.
by Krotz the Wall on Feb 16, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really can't see the Hawks trading Kane.
This has been discussed on SCH non-stop for the last few weeks.
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but as long as we’re on the phone talking Zidlicky (per Russo) we may as well toss that out there.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
Russo reported that Fletcher hasn't even approached Zidlicky about a deal
Everyone is jumping the gun on this. Let’s all take a step back off the ledge, take a deep breath, and just be patient.
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True but
While no deal has been reached there’s no doubt Fletcher has been in talks with a few teams on this including NJ and CHI. Fletch is not going to approach Zid until he has a deal in place, whether it be before the trade deadline or this offseason it seems all but foregone conclusion at this point.
I’m not sure where the impatience was implied. I am all for getting a deal done that works.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
All of what you just said is based off pure speculation. That’s why I said be patient. Everyone is taking speculation, whether it be Russo’s or their own personal manifestations, and running with it as fact.
From Fletcher:
We haven’t traded Zid, we haven’t made the decision to trade Zid at this point. I have not formally asked him to do anything because at this point I honestly don’t have anything to take to him, I don’t have anything for him to say yes or no to.
Now, while Russo has reported that Fletcher and Lou Lamoriello are talking, there is nothing that is definitive that Zidlicky is part of any deal. I’ll point to this last off season when the Wild traded Maxim Noreau for Dave McIntyre in a deal that no one had any dirt on. It could very well be another depth-for-depth swap. I’m just suggesting that everyone pump the brakes and be patient since most GMs play the trade market close to the vest (especially around the deadline). They don’t want information leaked.
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whatever
This is fan forum where many things are discussed. The facts are reported, and we discuss.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think to imply that Fletcher has not discussed it is ridiculous. And while the “speculation” may not hold up in court it is more than plausible and certainly a forum worthy talker.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Do you take
everything that is written in Print as a word from God? or that everything that is printed is true? Fletch could be keeping things, as you put it, Close to the vest. GM’s lie to reporters. Why would someone ask Zid specifically if he would accept a trade to the Devils? I imagine something is in the Works, maybe Fletch wants to wait to the deadline to get the price up…. maybe the Devils didnt want to give up to much….Maybe, there is nothing going on here…maybe fletch doesnt want players worrying about who might be coming from the Devils and who might be leaving.
Aceinthecorner does have a point, this is a place to discus possibilities…no matter how far out they are. Its like talking about who it would take to get Rick nash, knowing that it will NEVER happen….
Just let people vent.
Uhhh...
Not sure where all that came from, but no, I don’t take every written word as “a word from God”.
I was simply saying that patience and not jumping to conclusions based off speculations makes more sense right now. There’s literally no concrete information to base anything off of.
Russo reported at 6 AMish this morning that Zidlicky had waived his NTC and a deal was close to done. Six hours later, the report comes out that Fletcher isn’t anywhere close to a deal. Zidlicky later confirmed that Fletcher hasn’t even approached him about a deal.
When language like “no doubt” and “foregone conclusion” is being thrown around, it’s taking speculation and turning it into fact. My word for word concern was:
Everyone is taking speculation, whether it be Russo’s or their own personal manifestations, and running with it as fact.
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by JDesthubert on Feb 15, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
GM’s lie to reporters.
Not Fletcher. If this was Burke, maybe. Fletcher would not flat out lie to Russo. There is a relationship to maintain that is valuable to Fletcher. If there were talks, Fletcher wouldn’t completely shoot Russo down. I am guess the truth is somewhere in between, but Fletcher would not flat out lie to Russo unless is regards something league policy says he has to lie about.
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Just let people vent.
No one said you couldn’t. But we have a site to maintain, and our job is to make sure this doesn’t devolve into Hockey Buzz. If you get too far off the beaten path, we are going to jump in. Discussion is possible, and Jesse never said anything about not allowing you to do so. He has as much right to provide input as the rest of you.
More so, if you ask me.
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Question
“Jesse never said anything about not allowing you to do so. He has as much right to provide input as the rest of you. More so, if you ask me.” Are you saying that just because he is paid to to the blog he has more right to post than anyone? You know if all us little people left there would be no more blog? Just because someone works somewhere does not mean they have more right than anyone else to do anything.
Not paid my good man
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Oh but you are paid...
In smiles, rainbows, and pictures of puppy dogs. I mean you work on a site with Bryan, the King of All Things warm and fuzzy. ;)
And we're trying to deliver higher standards than other sites
Taking something that Jeremy Roenick (a known blabber mouth) and running with it is something that a site like hockeybuzz.com will do. If we posted every “rumor” from any source, we would devolve into something like the Strib commentary.
One of the most common compliments that Hockey Wilderness gets is that we have rational fans that have rational thoughts and discussions. I guess I would like to keep it that way.
I’m sure that you see it at the Daily Norsmen as well. You’re looking for real news on the Vikings, not a he said/she said atmosphere.
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From the Articles done by you guys, yes.
But Fanposts are meant for exactly this sort of thing. It is why they are there and why you guys are the only ones that can post articles on the home page.
The reason fanposts exist is to allow discussion to be had from outside the main page writers, you are correct. That does not mean you can post whatever you want, whenever you want. We still control what is up on OUR site. No one said you couldn’t post. Let it go.
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But this is a hockey related article
from a source. it may not be a good one, but still from someone in the hockey community. If u ever want to expand on more than just the 60k people who come here a month, you need to have things where u can have discussions, wether they are likely to happen or not. Take a look at the DN sometimes, even the writers pose “what-ifs” just to open up discussion amongst fans knowing full well it is incredibly unlikely anything will come about. There is nothing wrong with that.
I don’t need lessons on how to grow the site. Triple digit growth for four straight years.
Not sure where this whole conversation started. The post is still up. It’s a stupid concept, but it is still up. No one said the discussion couldn’t be posted. No one took it down. All you have accomplished is to make yourself look like an idiot.
You are arguing about nothing. The idea of Kane being traded is stupid. The idea that you think the people who work here don’t enjoy special priviledge is stupid. The idea that you think you know more about the Wild and the NHL than the people who have been here for four and five years is stupid.
The idea that you think you have any idea how to run a site or to grow it from what it is… just makes you look really, really stupid.
But hey. YouKre entitled to your opinion. No matter how uselss that opinion may be .
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by BReynolds on Feb 22, 2012 3:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Are you saying that just because he is paid to to the blog he has more right to post than anyone?
Jesse is not paid. The sole benefit he gets is that he gets to post here. You benefit from his labor at no cost. That said, he has more right to post than you do, yes. He works here. I help run the place. He works with me. Who do you think I am going to side with?
You know if all us little people left there would be no more blog?
Indeed. And we know that. However, if just you leave, we’ll be just fine with the other 60,000 people who stop by each month.
Just because someone works somewhere does not mean they have more right than anyone else to do anything.
Well, when you run the site, you can make that call. Until that happens, I guess we’ll have to defer to the guys in charge. Let’s ask one of them.
“Hey Bryan.”
“Yes, Bryan?”
“Wondering if you think Jesse has more right to post than anyone else on the site.”
“Well, Bryan, that’s an interesting question. As the editor of the site, and one of the few people who can decide who has the right to post and who doesn’t, I would say that since we chose Jesse as a member of the team, we have a partiality to his work, and would not withhold his right to post in the comment section. We would, however, reserve the right to ban people who annoy us with petty bickering about if they have the right to post on the site we run or not.”
“Thanks for that clarification, Bryan.”
“No problem, Bryan.”
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That ''Bryan'' guy seems like a douche ;)
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Even if the Blackhawks chose to move Patrick Kane (which I doubt), there’s no way they take on a goalie as old as Backstrom. Equivalent salary =/= an even trade.
Hypothetically, if the Hawks dealt Kane for Backstrom and Zids, they’re dealing a 23-year old for two guys in the mid-30’s that are coming up on the twilight of their careers.
Plus, who actually takes what Jeremy Roenick says seriously? The guy is a goofball at heart. Anything he says or does I assume is either a jest or something stupid coming out of his mouth.
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Harding, Zids, Zanon/Lundin/Stoner, and a first for Kane? Goalie, D-men (though I can’t fathom that they are interested in Zids, they need a stay at home type from what I hear, hence Zanon/Lundin/Stoner) and a pick. We don’t lose any pieces we weren’t going to shop anyway. I would like to keep Stoner, but if they want someone younger, it could sweeten the deal.
Still don't see it as enough
Patrick Kane went #1 overall in his draft class. He’s an elite-level, superstar wing that still has a ton of upside to his game.
If the Hawks are going to deal a superstar that you can create an argument for as a Top-20 player in the NHL, they’re going to get a superstar back. I used this example earlier, but it applies here too:
Would you deal Granlund to a team in exchange for a goalie that hasn’t proven he can be a starter, an aging PP specialist, and a limited stay-at-home defensman?
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True
Add in a Coyle/Phillips/Seto? Also with Zanon its like getting 2 goaliess. ;) Again I would do it, but I’m not sure that Bowman would even move Kane. Just something to think about and discuss cause its late and I’m bored…
I don't think they move Kane
I don’t get the logic of trying to gear up for the playoffs by dealing away a guy like Kane. Maybe a trade for Morin or another prospect and a pick, but dealing an impact roster player makes little to no sense.
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That's what I think
I meant I would do it from Fletcher’s end, just reread it and it was worded wierd. No way I do that if I’m Bowman. I might see P. Sharp coming out of Chi sooner. No way I would trade Kane. And agreed on Roenick being a quack…
he has scored 30 goals once
and has 12 this year. Nevermind his draft position, is he really elite? Backs, Zid, and prospect not named Granlund though unlikely doesn’t seem outrageous given his production this year.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 15, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
He is elite, you mention he has only scored 30 goals once. While not mentioning that he also has seasons of 25 and 27 goals, and has never failed to garner 70 points in a season, something Koivu has done exactly once. He is one of the elite young wings in the leagues, and what you propose probably won’t get it done.
Well, GMs don't do trades for present performances
If you think Patrick Kane won’t be a 100 point scorer in this league, you’re crazy.
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I dont think
he will be. He doesnt need to be while on his current team. He is 1 of 5 scoring forwards. if he were THE man, yeah, he has the potential to be a 100 pt scorer. but with Hossa, Sharp, Toews, and others, they wont have individuals reaching 100 pts. they spread the wealth. 70-90 is normal for a roster like theirs. 100+ unlikely.
Well, not right now.
But guys like Sharp and Hossa probably won’t be there much longer. Besides, if anything, having great talent with him will help him reach 100. Think of all the players who’ve reached 100 points lately. They didn’t do it alone.
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Your right,
but on those teams where players are scoring 100+ points, its a huge drop off from top scorers to secondary scoring… prime example is Vancouver… yeah the Sendins are unbelievable, but who was the next highest scorer? maybe in the 70pt range?
Hey, JS
But guys like Sharp and Hossa probably won’t be there much longer.
have you seen their contracts? Hossa retires as a Hawk, guaranteed… an Patrick# ain’t going anywhere for the foreseeable either..
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by mightymike D on Feb 18, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, forgot that Hossa's way younger than I remember
But Sharp always has trade rumors surrounding him, so maybe he gets traded someday.
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heh
does seem like he’s been around forever, doesn’t it? I’ve not heard any Sharp trade rumours myslef.. maybe it’s because when someone says “Blackhawks Trade Rumour” I expect their next words to involve “Kane” “Ryan Miller” or “AWT Nash” and I reach for my revolver
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by mightymike D on Feb 19, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
No GM in his right mind would trade kane
He is 23, a STAR, the face of the franchise, has already won a cup, has an insane amount of skill, has over 10 years of hockey left in him, and is just having a down year.
I would trade the entire MN roster for Kane, they can have whoever they want!
by Brandon Godward on Feb 15, 2012 7:54 PM CST reply actions
Anyone who thinks the Hawks would actually trade Kane...
Go post about it on SCH and observe the reaction of those folks. He is a fan favourite and an elite player. There is no chance of him being dealt….especially not for Backs and Zid.
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Exactly
Roenick is whacked for even suggesting it. Crawford will bounce back and Kane is an important part of their core. No way they’re trading him. They’ll just ride it out, no worries.
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Yep, exactly....
On the subject of trading Kane, here’s some fun reading:
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2012/1/12/2703474/cory-perry-for-patrick-kane
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Wow
That was incredible. They get down right intense! It was some very interesting reading. There is NO way they trade Kane. I do just like thinking about him in Iron Range Red though, cause I’m bored. We could have a top two lines of Nash-Koivu-Kane and Parise-Granlund-Heatley, or any combination of those. I’m gonna go make it happen on NHL 2k11…
Ha ha.
Good thinking. Maybe put Crosby, Toews and Ovechkin in there too.
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That was an entertaining read - definetly a hot button topic
I think Hawks fans are utterly delusional though when it comes to valuing Kane.
“There is no possible good trade involving Kane. You’d have to get 5 really good young guys to make it worthwhile.”
Kane’s a very good hockey player but his numbers do not justify that kind of value. If Chicago GM shares the fans sentiment in terms of Kane value then a trade is impossible. Interesting to see what the Hawks do if anything as the trade deadline approaches.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
that thread is pure poison posted by an asshole
much more rational talk on the main threads
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by mightymike D on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
When Roenick becomes a source...
we’re in trouble.
The Hawks are not trading Kane. Not a chance. I would bet everything I own on that.
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The best line of all that
was when he said that firing Q would be the dumbest thing since trading ME. JR, are you able to bring that head of yours on a plane, or do they make you check it?
Chicago needs to do SOMETHING and quick
We know the defense is bad but Crawford and Emery are doing nothing to make it better.
I have no emotional attachment to Backstrom. I’m all in on Hackett. If interested in Backs, they should trade him.
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I know I am in the minority here but
I am not a fan of Kane, very immature and if things started going wrong, I suspect he would try jumping ship. Very skilled, actually protects the puck very well for his size, but plays with no grit and like I said above, very immature. Not interested.
from a (rational) Blackhawks fan POV
.. JR got misquoted in the first place..
and Kane is going exactly nowhere. It really doesn’t matter what’s on offer (we’re currently being treated to Kane/Miller rumours on SCH) Kane is part of the future of this organisation and will quite likely end up with his numbers hanging in the rafters in the UC.. and even if he does get traded it will be much, much further down the road. Aside from the fact that no one will offer what he’s worth in a trade, he also has a no-move that will become a no-trade.. so (with no offence meant) I really, really don’t see this ambitious young all-star who already has a cup ring heading to a Buffalo, Columbus or a (sorry) Minnesota..
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And he definitely won't be involved in any Zidlicky trades,,,
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unless this "Zidlicky" of which you speak
is the second coming of Beauliveau, Gretzky and Patrick Roy all rolled into one.. and not some third-rate Locker-Room-Cancer D-man…
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by mightymike D on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hold the phone
Are you going on record and saying that you would not be willing to trade Kane for Zidlicky?
i've just had it tattooed on my forehead, mate!
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by mightymike D on Feb 19, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
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