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Sell to Buy, Buy to Sell: The Wild at the Deadline and Beyond

Buy or sell? That is the big question for a lot of bubble teams as the trade deadline approaches. GMs begin to contemplate their chances of making it to the biggest of dances in the Stanley Cup Playoffs and sit with their professional scouting councils facing white boards full of names. Lengthy meetings and heated debates become routine as player personnel becomes the hot topic; players who can help the team are identified and expendable assets are considered.

As a fan, hockey enthusiast and hobby analyst I am on board that the Wild need to look at the future of its team, but yet need to fill some seriously damning holes and make improvements. The big question is how much do we sell and how much do we buy? The Wild finally has a very respectable prospect pool, filled with an assortment of talent from the potential elite playmaking of Mikael Granlund to the steady, almost sure thing decision making of Jonas Brodin. Buying too much runs the big risk of what became the downfall of the Doug Risebrough era and another period of prospect drought. Becoming too much of a seller puts the team into complete rebuild status, making pretty much all of Chuck Fletcher’s bold moves a vain effort and putting almost 100% of the weight of the franchise on young, unproven shoulders. The answer is this: do both, carefully. Sell to buy, buy to sell.

Thus I present to you the current holes in the Minnesota Wild, and some potential (and yes, possibly a little erratic, but nonetheless possible) solutions along with how to buy them without breaking the bank.

More after the jump!

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Let’s start with identifying the major holes in our Minnesota Wild:

1) Offense, plain and simple. As of publication date, the Wild are 28th in the league in goals for and 8th in the league in goals against. What does that create? A -12 goal differential. You don’t have to be Ken Hitchcock to know this is not a trait of a winning hockey team.

2) A mobile, puck-moving defenseman who doesn’t completely suck at defense. Let’s face it, Marek Zidlicky is out along with all $4 mil that comes with him. To think we can rest the first pass and the first play of the rush on Jared Spurgeon (though he has impressed) is simply foolish.

3) An All Situations Top Pairing Defenseman. Yes you have to give in order to get but let’s face it: losing Brent Burns really, really hurt the Wild. Sure you can make the argument he isn’t exactly stealing the show in San Jose, but you can always imagine what he’d still be doing in the X.

4) A vocal, inspiring and effective locker room presence. Mike Yeo can do it, I believe in him. But no coach can lead a team. It takes effective leaders on the ice and in the room. Koivu is a great Captain, but even he needs some support and with how much youth is on t his team, who truly do need somebody they fear AND respect.

Now let’s cover what we have:

1) A great pool of prospect forwards. You consider Granlund, Haula, Bulmer, Phillips, Coyle and Zucker and you have six forwards who are projected to be top 6. That’s two strong playmakers in Granlund and Haula, two power forwards in Coyle and Bulmer and two guys with great all around offensive instinct in Zucker and Phillips.

2) A bland, yet plentiful, mix of defenders. Marco Scandella is an all-situations prospect. We have enough defensively conscious, yet barely visible second to third pairing guys to make an entire defensive corp. We have a savvy offensive veteran in Marek Zidlicky (SALE). Top that off with a rather intriguing Jonas Brodin.

3) Goalies. Niklas Backstrom is good. So good he looks great in any sweater to a GM and none can deny that. Josh Harding is also good, young and ready to start in net. Matt Hackett has a future, no doubt there, but even he gets nervous every time Darcy Kuemper gets a start in Houston. Top that off with impressive overseas performances by Dennis Endras in Finland and (I bet you forgot about this guy) Johan Gustafsson in Sweden.

4) Aftermarket parts. Kyle Brodziak and Matt Cullen are both effective and relatively unimpressive centers who are truly a foot deep but a mile wide in most aspects of the game. Brad Staubitz is certainly a tough, stand-up and mediocre enforcer. Guillaume Letandresse and Pierre-Marc Bouchard are on the shelf, but strong performances in a return give them table pull. Trading in recent years has left the Wild with a few spare draft picks as well.

OK! Now for a few potential and unconventional blockbuster targets (some are hot off the rumor mill, some not so much) the Wild can zero in on by the deadline or in the off-season along with what can be given away without completely breaking the bank and have a serious benefit for the future of the Wild.

Zach Parise (New Jersey Devils)
Holes Filled: Offense, Leadership
Obtain at: Deadline Trade or Offseason (Trade or FA acquisition)

That’s right, I included Zach Parise in a post about trading. The fact is simple, Parise is an elite offensive talent and the Wild could seriously use some more star power on its top line. Most Minnesota hockey fans are aware Parise is not only a Minnesotan, but a hockey powerhouse Shattuck-Saint Mary’s alumni, played at the neighboring University of North Dakota and has stated publicly he may test the market. It’s a bit doubted at this point he’ll be available on the block, but one has to wonder what is on Lou Lamoriello’s mind for the future of his net with Martin Brodeur slowly decaying. Niklas Backstrom waiving his no-trade clause or the rights to re-signing Josh Harding could sway a decision. The rights to signing the elite prospect Mikael Granlund could be enticing enough for the soon-to-be rebuilding Devils. The Wild will have more than enough cash to sign him as a UFA.


Ryan Whitney
or Tom Gilbert (Edmonton Oilers)
Holes Filled: Mobile Puck Mover, All-Situations Defenseman
Obtain at: Deadline Trade or Offseason (Trade or FA acquisition)

Inter-Division deadline trade? C’mon, don’t act like it’s never happened. *COUGH* DWAYNE ROLOSON *COUGH* Yes, Ryan Whitney is protected by a no-trade clause, but Edmonton is in full make-over mode and nobody except for the young guns should be considered protected. If Whitney is looking for a contender he may definitely jump ship. He has a year left on his contract of $4 mil. Whitney has plenty of offensive upside with good numbers to back it up. Defensively he’s no slouch, if not a bit unspectacular, but the fact remains he’s trusted in all situations. He can eat minutes and has proven in Edmonton his talents can shine without much support. Hardcore Minnesota High School Hockey fans who remember Tommy Gilbert may agree that Gilbert is truly not that amazing in terms of skills. His shot is decent. He can pass well. Good skater, no doubt, but does nothing particularly great. So how does he manage to put up 30+ points per season? The answer is simple and those hardcore fans might agree: Tommy Gilbert can play a simple and effective game at full speed. Like Whitney, Gilbert can play effectively in any situation and is not hampered by a no-trade clause. Both cost a curiously fateful $4 million a year (Zidlcky?), with 2 seasons left on Gilbert’s contract and one more on Whitney’s. A straight up money for money trade for Zidlicky may be effective if Edmonton wants some more veteran presence on their blue line (the familiar Andy Sutton is the only defenseman over 30). If Edmonton wants to continue the youth movement, Marco Scandella could be included in a trade if Chuck Fletcher is particularly confident in either Whitney or Gilbert.


Jamie McBain (Carolina Hurricanes)
Holes Filled: Mobile Puck Mover, All Situations Defenseman
Obtain at: Deadline Trade or Offseason Trade

Two “yes” factors here… YES I’m aware this is the third Minnesotan in a row on this list and YES, I am aware Carolina is looking more towards rebuilding, but the re-signing of Tim Gleason proves they at least think they are only a few changes away from a successful club. Most of Carolina’s needs are up front and have a fairly good foundation of players at the blue line. If the Cane’s management particularly believe in a very good and promising Justin Faulk (no, not ours) or Bobby Sanguinetti, Jamie McBain could be negotiable. The Canes could welcome Zidlicky’s experience and offensive abilities to replace a good-as-gone Jaroslav Spacek and much like the aforementioned, adding Scandella softens losing one of your better defensive prospects. McBain is also a player who brings ability on both ends and particular talent offensively. While the jury is out on whether he’s a top pairing guy or not, the fact is there are plenty of indications saying he can eat minutes and be very effective. To address Carolina’s shortcomings up front, Charlie Coyle would be a welcome addition with Jason Zucker or Brett Bulmer being a options if they need somebody more immediately available. If either return and have particularly promising performances, Guillaume Letandresse and Pierre-Marc Bouchard are also viable bait. To me, a guy like McBain is worth giving up a second round pick to sweeten a package deal.


Shane Doan (Phoenix Coyotes)
Holes Filled: Leadership, Offense
Obtain at: Deadline or Offseason (Trade or acquisition)

Indeed Shane Doan is notorious for being loyal to the Jets-turned-Coyotes organization, but he is not signed yet, which makes him fair game for making phone calls. If Doan is at all willing to waive his no-trade clause to help a bubble team truly contend or is still unsigned by the off-season, he is worth a shot so long as he remains for (most likely) the remainder of his career. The Wild are a team full of young guys who need guidance and Shane Doan is notorious for his on and off-ice leadership. While Koivu is the “quiet leader,” Doan is a guy who isn’t afraid to voice his opinions, guide the young guys by more than just example and even spark a fire under a young rookie’s seat (without swearing of course, Doan is a devout Christian). A guy like Doan is just what a young coach like Mike Yeo needs to truly inspire his team. Shane Doan may not be the answer to getting Minnesota the Stanley Cup, but the fact he could contribute greatly to developing the young foundation that is the Wild in the upcoming years could be as valuable as any prime-aged superstar. Returns for Doan would most likely mean a guy like Charlie Coyle being moved to ensure Phoenix has another star-potential power forward in their pipeline. A healthy Letandresse may be the foundation of a deal as well as two-way stalwarts Brodziak and Cullen to round Phoenix out. Phoenix lacks goaltending so dealing Backstrom or Harding becomes a very viable option.


Ryan Suter (Nashville Predators)
Holes Filled: Top Pairing D-man, Offense, mobile puck mover
Obtain at: Deadline or Off-season (Trade or acquisition)

Yup, I also said Ryan Suter and trade deadline in the same sentence! Nashville would love to hold on Suter, but would be insane to keep him over Shea Weber, who will be one of the highest paid players by the 2012-2013 NHL season. If Nashville is at all going to consider moving Suter, immediate dividends up front will be necessary, along with at least a defensive replacement. The price Minnesota would pay for a guy like Suter would indeed be high, but would without a doubt solidify the defense for the future when you think of him paired with a guy like Nick Schultz. The reaped rewards would make the pain of shipping off a guy like Scandella a pin prick. Package him with any middle pairing defenseman you care to name and a forward who can potentially make a difference in Nashville such as a healthy Latendresse or Bouchard or even a high value prospect such as Zucker or Bulmer. Suter is easily worth a first-round pick when you consider his long term value.


So there you have it Wild fans. Some bold, blockbuster and franchise changing moves that may not exactly be brewing in the headlines, but are nonetheless at least possible and allow the Wild to sell assets with value while obtaining players that give the Wild’s future just as bright, if not brighter hope to be a contender.

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Doan will more than likely finish his career with the Coyotes.

And I don’t see Suter going to the Wild. He’ll probably end up with one of the big teams.

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by GerDevine on Feb 5, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

Nice read

You forgot about Larsson!

Signing Parise is top priority, players like him usually don’t hit free agency. Trade for his rights!

I call up the Jackets and try and get their pick, they need help everywhere and one pick/prospect won’t change things.

Our 1st (10-15), goaltending prospect, Setoguchi and Cuma/Falk, shit throw in BTE

for their 1st. (Yakupov)

Overpayment? Oh Yes, Jackets would have a tough time saying no!

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by Kingpin45 on Feb 5, 2012 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

No thank you to any of those trades

The only two that the Wild should target are either Suter or Parise, and it’s going to be easier to approach them when they go UFA. Plus, both Nashville and New Jersey have gone on record saying that they’re not available. Both teams are vying for playoff spots and aren’t going to weaken their teams.
Whitney is about to turn 29, so I’m just guessing that there’s not a whole lot of “upside” left. He is what he is at this point.
I’ll pass on Gilbert as well, as I’m not that partial to making an all-Minnesota roster.
McBain isn’t worth the prospects at all.
Doan should stay with the Coyotes. It’s a nice story to see a guy play with one team/franchise for his career.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 5, 2012 11:38 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

The only point I'll aggressively disagree with you on

Is prospects for McBain. If his potential was met at this point in his career he’s a 2nd pairing puck mover already. Not to mention he has a good frame. The buzz surrounding him suggests he may have top pairing ability. Watching this kid over the course of the years, he does everything at least well. If Carolina called and asked for Scandella, Prosser and a 2nd rounder I’d jump on it in a heart beat. A defender like Jamie McBain doesn’t come around too often and would be a great replacement for what we’re missing in the long gone Brent Burns.

As for your other points, I may see things a bit different on Whitney and Gilbert but I will agree, Shane Doan will most likely finish his career in Phoenix. I’m not sure if that bugs me or not. Class move, but a guy like Doan deserves one winner, in Ray Bourque-esque fashion.

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by Arnie on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

Scandella, Prosser and a 2nd rounder?

Seems like a hell of a lot. Scandella has lots of potential and good size, Prosser is starting to win his place on the team and I don’t really think McBain, as good as he may be, is worth giving three assets away.

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by JSLandry on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

Scandella indeed has potential and good size but I’d gladly ship him for McBain who has higher potential and good size. Prosser, as much as I like him, is forever a 6 or 7 Defenseman. A guy like Prosser is replaceable. A 2nd rounder to lock up McBain along with that package for a young, re-signable, top pairing potential defenseman with tons of all-around upside, I’d consider it assets not missed. Guys like McBain show up twice, sometimes three times every draft class as scouted prospects. Particularly talented classes like 03 might get about 5. Scandella ALMOST fits this mold. Face it, he’s made flashes but he’s got a way to go. Two or three more prospects exist as surprise sleepers beyond the third round but you have to get lucky to land those guys. A guy like McBain isn’t so easy to just pick up, thus making him worth those three named assets in my opinion.

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by Arnie on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Never said McBain's potential was met

But you suggested giving up Coyle and Zucker or Bulmer in the original post. I don’t get how giving up two offensive prospects for one defensman is a savvy move considering the Wild forwards can’t score. McBain isn’t a goal-scoring defenseman. He’s a guy that starts the breakout. The Wild need finishers, and a Coyle and Zucker package gives away two finishers.
Plus, the 2012 draft class has tons of talent on the blueline, so dealing away prospects and picks for a guy that could had in the draft for one pick doesn’t make any kind of sense.
In addition, Marco Scandella is actually younger than McBain, and he has a lot of the tools that you look for in a top-pairing defensman. Scandella still has plenty of room for growth, and he’s still nowhere near his eventual ceiling. A Scandella, Prosser, and 2nd for McBain essentially swaps two defensman who are pretty close to each other and gives Carolina a good #5 defensman and a 2nd round pick. Terrible value.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 5, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Never said you said McBain's potential was met

And I realize the way I worded that particular sentence may have been confusing and for that I apologize. I would not trade two of those top tier prospects for McBain. I’d trade one. And as much as I like Scandella, to me he’s a 2nd pairing guy with PP and PK time. In two years or less McBain will be a top minute, all situations, 40 point defenseman. I put McBain a level higher than Scandella.

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by Arnie on Feb 6, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I say

wild dont trade prospects for any of these guys. wait for FA to go either after Weber, Suter or Parise. if you could land Parise, you might have a shot at either Suter or Weber too.

Sounds like Chicago might look for a goalie, Just a though about a possible trade there, Backstrom for Leddy, and Jeremy Morin. Chicago gets a goalie for this season and next, they have the cap space, wild get a good puck moving d man, with high ceiling, and a young stud on offense. maybe even chip in a 2nd or 3rd if that would swing it. Thoughts?

by wild32384 on Feb 5, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

I kind of have the same thought process as Bryan

Tough for Chicago to roster three different goalies one one-way contracts.

It’s easy to pin losses on goalies, but the defense of Chicago isn’t all that great and their 3rd line has been underwhelming, to say the least. Bickell, Bolland, and Frolik, the trio that’s supposed to play the best defense for Chicago, are all negative players on a team that is overwhelmingly a plus team.
The blueline isn’t really a bright spot either. The Hawks have gotten nothing except scratches out of Sami Lepisto. Sean O’Donnell is 40 and very limited in what he can do. Leddy is a defensive nightmare with a -10. Montador had a hot November, but he’s also a very limited defender. John Scott is a 6’8" pylon that is a total weakspot. While they’re glad to be rid of the contract, Chicago is really hurting without Brian Campbell. He was a smart, veteran defensman who filled a major role on the 2nd pairing. All the Minnesota love in the state doesn’t make Leddy as talented as Campbell.
Honestly, I think the Hawks are still targeting a 2nd line center and a more mobile defensman to replace either O’Donnell or Scott. Having a 3rd pairing of O’Donnell and Montador gives the Hawks no offense, no one to start the breakout, and a major speed liability.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 5, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree to an extent

Some of those guys would be great UFA acquisitions. However, if you are counting on the UFA market to fill severe holes you could be setting yourself up for failure. If any of those three should be anything close to counted on for UFA status its Parise and I’ll pay UFA salaries for a guy like Parise all day. Screw it, I’d sign Parise to an 8 year deal worth $72 million. He’s elite offensively, great on defense, brings leadership and fun to watch.

Weber won’t make it to the off season. Nashville has enough spare money to give him his 8 year, $64 million contract. If any team is going to land him, it’s going to be Philadelphia at the expense of guys like Jake Voracek and Sean Couturier. If this is the case, kiss Suter goodbye.

Suter MIGHT hit UFA status. My philosophy is if you’re going after top tier players who are UFAs the next season, protect your investment in filling one of your holes and trade for the rights to sign. Trading for signing rights is not only typically cheaper, it guarantees delivery of your player with less competition and thus less chance of severely overpaying on the UFA market.

You have something going with Chicago. If Backstrom was at all willing to go to Chicago I’d call the Hawks with a proposal trade him, Charlie Coyle and a 3rd rounder for Nick Leddy, Patrick Sharp and a 2nd rounder.

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by Arnie on Feb 6, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Here are the problems with most of these trades/UFA signings.

1. Parise is all well and good but the Wild are really going to have to sell themselve to land him in the off-season. The only way he even comes here is if he really wants to be at home and actually believes that the Wild are an up and coming team. Most do not believe the Wild will contend any time soon. Since Parise has ties here, he may have more knowledge of the team than most and may realize there are some good prospects coming, but is that good enough to convince him to sign here? We’ll see. As for trading for him, the Wild and any other team would be foolish to do so plus NJ has said they aren’t trading him as this is Lou’s last hurrah. I think we need to realize that Harding and Backstrom have absolutely no value, sorry but it is true. If other GMs valued Harding, he would be on another team right now. The trust is that he is a fragile goalie and no one wants to add a player like him in the heat of a playoff race. Why would NJ want another expensive aging goalie that is terrible in shootouts? Trading Mikael Granlund for anything would be the dumbest thing quite possibly ever. He’s younger, cheaper, and very skilled. He will sign with the Wild because there is no advantage to re-entering the draft.

2. Ryan Whitney is a huge injury risk. When was the last time he played anything close to a complete season? Gilbert I like, but he is not worth giving up any prospects to a division rival. There will be Gilbert-like players available in free agency this summer and I fully expect the Wild to sign a puck mover then.

3. The Hurricanes aren’t trading McBain.

4. Shane Doan is going to finish his career with the Coyotes like he should.

5. Ryan Suter is not coming here. I think we all need to realize that MN is not a place free agents want to come to unless they are being extremely overpaid in terms of either price or length of contract. The only way he comes to MN is if the Wild offer him the most money and longest term. The Red Wings have a ton of cap space and if you were Suter, where would you rather play, here or there? Not to mention, the Preds may still resign him at the end of the season. The Preds have been to the playoffs for years, the Wild not so much. Again where would you rather play? The ONLY reason Parise may sign here in July is because he is from here. We as fans are hoping that really is enough, because he is going to get better offers from better teams so unless Parise wants to do US a favor and come here, he and the other big names on the FA market will not be coming to MN.

I know this is pretty doom and gloom but it is realistic. This is not a enticing climate and the team has not made the playoffs in forever. Also, we play defense here, and that can scare a lot of players off as well. Parise clashed a bit with Lemaire due to the defense first so that may deter him as well. Set your sights a little lower, it is looking doubtful they will be able to do anything at the deadline and there may be some minor improvements this summer like adding Tuomo Ruutu for the Koivu-Granlund line and maybe Matt Carle, Dennis Wideman or Joe Corvo on defense.

by cgp711 on Feb 5, 2012 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

Matt Carle seems to make the most sense for this team, as he’s a big body who can start breakouts, and he’s still young, so he’ll be able to spend his best years with a better Wild team.

Suter does seem like a reach in Minnesota. He’s made it clear he wants to win now while he’s still a prime defensman, so Minnesota seems like a poor choice. At best, the Wild aren’t serious contenders for a Cup until 2014-2015.

Word is that Carolina has opened extension talks with Ruutu to remain Staal’s wing, so he may not even make it to the UFA process.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 5, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Since the Canes aren't getting what they want for Ruutu, he probably will stay there then.

No one is going to give two first round picks for him or a first rounder and top prospect, not sure what Rutherford was thinking there. And slowly he is not making any changes to his currently terrible team, what gives.

As an aside, it will be interesting to see what happens with the lineup now. Heatley seems like he will stay with Brodz and Johnson for a while, so who will play with Koivu? Clutter? Cullen somehow? Should be an interesting week of hockey coming up.

by cgp711 on Feb 5, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess about Rutherford is that he sees that there are few sellers, so he was asking high. It should be a seller’s market, so he probably thought he could ask a high price for Ruutu and get some takers.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 5, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Carle, yes... for what?

I agree Matt Carle would be a great addition to the Wild. I think the Flyers would be unlikely to deal him to MN as they are already dealing with Pronger out for the season and I can’t think of any components we have that the Flyers would even consider wanting.

I think 2014-2015 is at worst. I think if the Wild get some good bounces by the deadline and the off season they can be a legitimate contender as soon as next season. That includes some unlikely but possible outcomes such as signing Parise, but hey, it can legitimately happen.

So long as the Wild fill these three gaping holes, I believe they are a playoff contender:
1) Elite offensive forward with star status on the first line (Parise?)
2) Top Pairing all situations defenseman (Suter?)
3) Mobile, puck moving defenseman with 20-30 pt capability (FA Market?)
4) Honest effort as a TEAM and a little CONFIDENCE

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by Arnie on Feb 6, 2012 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait until he goes UFA

The Flyers will only have just over $6 million in cap space, so a player like Carle is probably going to be expendable. Why bother trading for him when the Wild know he will become a UFA, and reasonably this isn’t the season where Fletcher should deal prospects to reform the roster. The Wild aren’t legitimate threats to win the West, so why blow everything up on a major gamble?

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by JDesthubert on Feb 6, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think we should TRADE for any of these players.

Wait for them to go UFA and give up nothing for them or don’t get them at all in my opinion.

by cgp711 on Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

And I don't see the Wild signing Suter

And as much as I’d like Parise, we’ll see if Fletch can really sell him on MN or not. Maybe he really wants to come “home,” maybe not, we’ll see. If he gets offered the same contract by Detroit as MN, he’s not coming here, Detroit is not that far from MN anyway.

by cgp711 on Feb 6, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Or L.A.

The Kings will have a lot of money coming off the books, and selling Parise on L.A. probably wouldn’t take that much. California has great winter weather, a lot of attractions, and he would be paired up with Kopitar and possibly Dustin Brown. It would still leave the Kings with a 2nd line of Richards and Williams, so the Kings would have to be serious contenders.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The Kings are another great team that he will probably consider.

If there is any truth to wanting to be close to home, he probably won’t sign there, but I think that is just mostly MN rubes making up what they want to believe.

All three teams will probably offer him the same deal, $7.5-8 mil per year for 5-6 years, where would you want to play, LA, MN or Detroit? For me it would be Detroit first hands down, LA and then MN. As much as I want him to come here and as much as I thought it was a cinch about a month or so ago, his recent statements and interviews leave me feeling he doesn’t really want to play here. I know most people have heard the same interviews and read the same articles and are convinced he wants to come here, but I’m taking the opposite approach right now.

by cgp711 on Feb 6, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Every year LA seems to be the destination to go and every year they don’t sign a big free agent.

Overrated hockey city, the State of hockey wins that battle for Parise. Detroit…. Probably not, but I’m guessing they are focusing on Suter.

by Kingpin45 on Feb 6, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

UFA = Overpayment

With that mind set the Wild are indeed better off not getting any of those players at all.

The only player I’d be willing to overpay for this off season is Zach Parise. Even if he’s willing to be a homer for the Wild, we’ll still overpay a significant amount to keep other teams with lot’s of money out of his mind.

Overpaying on the FA market for anybody else is foolish. It’s why you trade. You can then re-sign the player for a fair price for what he’s truly worth versus outbidding other teams. Remember Kim Johnsson? That’s how he got his ridiculous salary. Back when he was a UFA he was an attractive buy. Same with our old friend Brian “Captain America” Rolston. Sure they both tanked, but they’re prime examples. A more recent example is Ilya Kovalchuk. There’s no way in Hell I’d want any player in the NHL signed to that kind of contract.

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by Arnie on Feb 8, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Rolston
Sure they both tanked.

I’m assuming you’re referring to the current play of Rolston. As a Wild player (and a popular one might I add), he had 3 successive 30+ goal seasons, playing some of his best hockey.

Agree with you on the Kovalchuk contract. That’s beyond ridiculous. Not to mention the penalties incurred by the Devils because of said contract. No player in the current NHL is worth that much.

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by Mark It Zero! on Feb 8, 2012 7:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Overpaying

UFAs are generally only overpaid for a year or two, then the market adjusts.

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by BReynolds on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

The only people who project Haula as a top-6 forward right now are Gopher fans. Lots of glaring holes in his game before you can label him as an NHL-ready player. I still see him more like a Mike Connolly or Justin Fontaine, where he has a very good college career, but doesn’t have the flash to make it in the NHL. Wellman is another good example of exactly that type of player.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 5, 2012 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

I forgot about that part.

Haula will probably never make it to the NHL on a consistent basis, and probably not with the Wild either. If they can trade him for anything and capitalize on his somewhat decent college season so far, they should do it.

by cgp711 on Feb 5, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Haula depends completely on his development peak

Haula is going to have a long journey to the NHL (if he ever makes it). He’s got the skills, just doesn’t have the ability.

Haula plenty high on skill. I’d venture to say his ability to handle the puck, speed, skating and passing are comparible to most top six NHL forwards. His shot is NHL acceptable. He’s extremely coachable.

Time will tell if his overall abilities to make decisions and play the pace of the AHL and then NHL level is yet to be seen. As of right now, he’s a good top six forward in that department at the NCAA level. If Haula can develop into the speed of the pro game, he’ll be a good playmaking 2nd line winger.

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by Arnie on Feb 6, 2012 6:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on Haula.

Just my opinion and I’ve seen plenty of Gopher games, he doesn’t look like anything special to me.

by cgp711 on Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree on Haula

That he’s done nothing for my Gophers this year. If I was the GM I’d rate Mario Lucia much higher even though he’s never played a college game as of yet.

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by FishingMN on Feb 7, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm… not willing to say he has done nothing. He lead the nation in scoring for two months or so. He’s doing just fine. I’m not sure where anyone got the idea he was a top prospect, because he isn’t. He is, however, a good prospect. He can play D, and he can score. For a 7th round pick, any upside is pure win.

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by BReynolds on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Number say otherwise

I’ve seen Haula more than a handful of times. He’s not flashy by any means and plays a simple game. Like I said before, he has excellent puck skills and an NHL-acceptable shot, but his ability to play a playmaker’s game at a pace faster than the NCAA is yet to be seen.

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by Arnie on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

College numbers mean nothing at all

Once again, Fontaine put up great college numbers. He was part of the top-scoring line in all of D1 hockey last year. Doesn’t mean he translate well into the NHL.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 8, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think its a little to early

To count Haula out, he’s a guy that should stick 4 years at the U of M and than see what he does in the AHL. He could be a contributer in 4 years or so. Wouldn’t expect anything soon from him though.

by ThatGuy22 on Feb 9, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It starts with the prospects

I usually think that UFA and trades are not supposed to be made looking only at the short term. Thus the Wild should look at the prospects incoming, what are most likely results based on current progression and through that evaluate what will they need within 2 years. While this is the job for professional scouts and coaches, it’s sometimes annoying to see teams make decisions based on needs here and now instead of tomorrow.

Secondly, if we’ll see a trade from the Wild of the medium / big quality, Harding or Hackett will be in play. Granlund is the golden goose egg, I doubt they’ll trade him unless it’s for a seriously good price. There’s a reason why he was called the Baby Granlund of the Church of Yeo earlier among the fans =P

The problem with goalies being the most valuable and tradeable pieces currently is that a) the market is oversaturated and b) Harding’s value has dropped a bit from earlier. When Niittymaki passed through waivers, a good 2a or even 1b goalie, without CBJ or TB touching him, it means there’s not a lot of demand for goalies.

So finally, I don’t think the Wild will be making any big trade moves. They’ll be in the quest for Parise, but unless Parise likes Minnesota more then his wallet, I think he’ll either end up at NJ or somewhere else. Instead they might get rid of a few pieces of picks / spare parts, but nothing major. The last thing I want to see is them making a stupid deal just to slightly increase their chances in the PO’s. Fletcher’s rebuild is still going according to schedule and the success of the start of the season, despite being very nice, shouldn’t change anything. Instead it should tell you the potential of this team, especially after 1 or 2 years.

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by Fallenity on Feb 9, 2012 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

Lots of good prospects to build with

There is no need to make any big trade this year that would empty the system. I am very intrested in the goalies we have. Harding will be gone and next year hackett will be the backup in Minn. From what I have read he seems to be the next franchise guy. I was wondering about the other guys you mentioned. Gustafsson at the WJC looked very good. Endras I don’t think will ever play for the wild with is to bad. Would be a nice backup. My biggest intrest goes to Darcy. From what I read on this site, he is very good and is quickly moving up the ranks. But from other reports I have read, he is just an average goalie. I read a report that said his last year in Junior which got him his contract, was good because he had a very good team infront of him. It said that inflamed his numbers quite a bit.

I was wondering how he is doing now? Could he be the next franchise goalie and not hackett? he has the size to cover the net well. Or is he just a product of good team? also where does gustafsson fit in? could he be the best of all?

by BigJungle on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 PM CST reply actions  

In my opinion

I think that Hackett is the starter of the future by default. He was the top goalie prospect in his draft class, he was an AHL All-Star this year, and he has the pedigree to be an NHL goalie. Gustafsson is probably the future back-up for the team.

Darcy Kuemper is probably trade bait a few years down the line. Hypothetically, let’s say in about 3 years the Wild are slotted to make the playoffs. Kuemper, to a team that’s selling and needs a franchise goalie, could look very attractive. He may end up being a guy the Wild trades to add that final piece to be a legitimate threat in the West.

Gustafsson may end up challenging Hackett for the starting role. He’s already playing and doing very well in a professional league against men, so I actually put his development ahead of Kuemper. He’s still young and succeeding against professional men, so he may have the highest ceiling of the three. He can only get better as he starts to become a real man, fills out his frame, and becomes more comfortable against older competition.

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by JDesthubert on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

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